It looks like there's three pivots, the bottom bracket, and the shock mount all going through the two side pieces that are welded together, so thankfully tons of features to fixture while welding.
ED: Also since they're all going between the same two side pieces as long as you get those two right everything behind them follows quite nicely.
FWIW the nope was aimed at the sketch. Finding the IC of a 6bar is convoluted at best. Drawing out the IC migration for a 6bar...
FWIW the nope was aimed at the sketch. Finding the IC of a 6bar is convoluted at best. Drawing out the IC migration for a 6bar system by hand looks like a total pain compared to a 4 bar.
Done it before a year or so ago...not fun haha (I can barely make sense of it now since I tried to layer a couple of pivot changes on each other)
This is my sketching a while ago just coming to grips with how to determine the IC of a 6-bar layout. I'm not going near drawing the IC migration paths by hand for this monstrosity, I'd much prefer to program it out if I really had to.
Having poor frame alignment never them bothered before.........
I still remember having a pivot bolt come loose on my M9 at a national race, taking it out in the hotel room to put loctite on it and re-torque it, only to have my friend have to stand on the seat stay so I could thread the bolt back into the upper link. I sold that frame right quick after that…
So has the forbidden team been racing the new druid or a yet to be released druid-naught ? Edit; Rhys says he’s been racing it all...
So has the forbidden team been racing the new druid or a yet to be released druid-naught ? Edit; Rhys says he’s been racing it all year
He says it, but I find it hard to believe that he is racing a 130 bike at a place like Maydena and coming in 4th only five seconds behind Connor who was on a dreadnought. I’ve owned a Druid and yes it feels like a lot of travel but not that much more travel.
I still remember having a pivot bolt come loose on my M9 at a national race, taking it out in the hotel room to put loctite...
I still remember having a pivot bolt come loose on my M9 at a national race, taking it out in the hotel room to put loctite on it and re-torque it, only to have my friend have to stand on the seat stay so I could thread the bolt back into the upper link. I sold that frame right quick after that…
There are fewer and fewer really high pivot bikes being made, they are moving more towards mid to low height high pivot layouts, people have negative comments about high pivot bikes (balance changes going through the travel, noise and drag from the system, issues with the chain stretch on the lower chain length), pro riders in some cases moving away from HP bikes to standard bikes, etc.
I kinda get the allure for race bikes, so DH and enduro, but even there there are companies sticking to the tried and tested layout. It seems a VERY weird move to make your bread and butter bikes high pivot. It seems too polarizing.
There are fewer and fewer really high pivot bikes being made, they are moving more towards mid to low height high pivot layouts, people have negative...
There are fewer and fewer really high pivot bikes being made, they are moving more towards mid to low height high pivot layouts, people have negative comments about high pivot bikes (balance changes going through the travel, noise and drag from the system, issues with the chain stretch on the lower chain length), pro riders in some cases moving away from HP bikes to standard bikes, etc.
I kinda get the allure for race bikes, so DH and enduro, but even there there are companies sticking to the tried and tested layout. It seems a VERY weird move to make your bread and butter bikes high pivot. It seems too polarizing.
Neko had a good discussion about it in his earlier vids.... he obviously chose no HP.
There are fewer and fewer really high pivot bikes being made, they are moving more towards mid to low height high pivot layouts, people have negative...
There are fewer and fewer really high pivot bikes being made, they are moving more towards mid to low height high pivot layouts, people have negative comments about high pivot bikes (balance changes going through the travel, noise and drag from the system, issues with the chain stretch on the lower chain length), pro riders in some cases moving away from HP bikes to standard bikes, etc.
I kinda get the allure for race bikes, so DH and enduro, but even there there are companies sticking to the tried and tested layout. It seems a VERY weird move to make your bread and butter bikes high pivot. It seems too polarizing.
Thats fair,
I think the Optic as a (lets call it a mid HP, idler bike) has been in the works for a while now, provides a very different experience to the new Fluid, which is essentially an alu version of the current Optic. I like this idea (recognizing its not for everyone) a hard charging, stable feeling, short travel bike that can be pushed.
I think theres enough variety in Norcos range of bikes to pull it off
Maybe the Sight stays as is, with some slight geo changes.
There are fewer and fewer really high pivot bikes being made, they are moving more towards mid to low height high pivot layouts, people have negative...
There are fewer and fewer really high pivot bikes being made, they are moving more towards mid to low height high pivot layouts, people have negative comments about high pivot bikes (balance changes going through the travel, noise and drag from the system, issues with the chain stretch on the lower chain length), pro riders in some cases moving away from HP bikes to standard bikes, etc.
I kinda get the allure for race bikes, so DH and enduro, but even there there are companies sticking to the tried and tested layout. It seems a VERY weird move to make your bread and butter bikes high pivot. It seems too polarizing.
Neko had a good discussion about it in his earlier vids.... he obviously chose no HP.
Right,
Not sure that means its the right or wrong choice for everyone.
Not really sure that what suits Neko in a race bike, has any bearing at all to others wants in a trail bike.
Rhys Verner seems fairly comfortable on his Druid, to race it competitively. He might have gone faster on something else, but has at the very least proven hes fast n the new Druid.
towards the end of the video, the mondrakers of cink and McConnell, and terpstras ghost have axs reverbs, but are allegedly controlled with an axs blip switch. Terpstra says this explicitly and she runs it on the right, the mondraker you see it on the left hand side.
Officially i believe this doesn’t work, so either there’s a new blip button; or they are using the blip for one shift, and one of the right hand control buttons for the dropper.
Moving the sight to HP is silly IMO. theres a couple of things to tidy up the sight like higher stack, more progressive curve & Threaded BB on the carbons. - I havnt seen any failures so maybe a diet for them aswell?
i personally would also like a mulletable one. Id buy a new sight with the above changes, even just the stack and curve update.
towards the end of the video, the mondrakers of cink and McConnell, and terpstras ghost have axs reverbs, but are allegedly controlled with an axs blip switch. Terpstra says this explicitly and she runs it on the right, the mondraker you see it on the left hand side.
Officially i believe this doesn’t work, so either there’s a new blip button; or they are using the blip for one shift, and one of the right hand control buttons for the dropper.
They are using the blip box with original blip buttons. The new wireless blips don’t work on the reverb.
I would expect way cheaper than push, more in line with ext and fast. If they managed to get the price down to bos/novyparts or formula level, it would sell like hot cakes no doubt, that might a bit too much to ask though.
That looks like it would be exceedingly difficult to get good pivot alignment and consistent layout on that hand welded frame.
It looks like there's three pivots, the bottom bracket, and the shock mount all going through the two side pieces that are welded together, so thankfully tons of features to fixture while welding.
ED: Also since they're all going between the same two side pieces as long as you get those two right everything behind them follows quite nicely.
Done it before a year or so ago...not fun haha (I can barely make sense of it now since I tried to layer a couple of pivot changes on each other)
This is my sketching a while ago just coming to grips with how to determine the IC of a 6-bar layout. I'm not going near drawing the IC migration paths by hand for this monstrosity, I'd much prefer to program it out if I really had to.
I thought Intense had settle for a final version of their frame (at least for the front triangle).
So has the forbidden team been racing the new druid or a yet to be released druid-naught ? Edit; Rhys says he’s been racing it all year
Come on! A bit more love, please.
Their overlay simply varies in tyre size. How then should the rest be compared?
Linkage driven Horst link. Or what was it called a few pages ago, the sexbar (from the fauxbar)?
For some reasons I can't see that name catching on, or maybe I do?
Be the change you want to see in the world.
Having poor frame alignment never them bothered before.........
I still remember having a pivot bolt come loose on my M9 at a national race, taking it out in the hotel room to put loctite on it and re-torque it, only to have my friend have to stand on the seat stay so I could thread the bolt back into the upper link. I sold that frame right quick after that…
He says it, but I find it hard to believe that he is racing a 130 bike at a place like Maydena and coming in 4th only five seconds behind Connor who was on a dreadnought. I’ve owned a Druid and yes it feels like a lot of travel but not that much more travel.
typical Intense quality there
Looks like the Sight 2024 is moving to HP.
I assume the Sight and Optic will both be HP bikes at this point, I think there was some fairly decent rumour of this several pages back.
That just looks like a Shore frame to me, but I could be wrong
Yup, my bad, its the Shore.
Doesnt it say William, Shore, Rampage at the top of the computer screen, and didnt he ride a Shore at Rampage?
Is it just me or is a high pivot Sight, let alone an Optic, the exact opposite of where the industry is going lately?
I mean, the new Druid seems very similar to what I would expect from the new Optic, and maybe a slightly increased travel Sight.
Maybe the Sight stays as a traditional horst link, low/med pivot 150mm bike.
Not sure what you mean by "the exact opposite of where the industry is going lately"
There are fewer and fewer really high pivot bikes being made, they are moving more towards mid to low height high pivot layouts, people have negative comments about high pivot bikes (balance changes going through the travel, noise and drag from the system, issues with the chain stretch on the lower chain length), pro riders in some cases moving away from HP bikes to standard bikes, etc.
I kinda get the allure for race bikes, so DH and enduro, but even there there are companies sticking to the tried and tested layout. It seems a VERY weird move to make your bread and butter bikes high pivot. It seems too polarizing.
Neko had a good discussion about it in his earlier vids.... he obviously chose no HP.
Thats fair,
I think the Optic as a (lets call it a mid HP, idler bike) has been in the works for a while now, provides a very different experience to the new Fluid, which is essentially an alu version of the current Optic. I like this idea (recognizing its not for everyone) a hard charging, stable feeling, short travel bike that can be pushed.
I think theres enough variety in Norcos range of bikes to pull it off
Maybe the Sight stays as is, with some slight geo changes.
Right,
Not sure that means its the right or wrong choice for everyone.
Not really sure that what suits Neko in a race bike, has any bearing at all to others wants in a trail bike.
Rhys Verner seems fairly comfortable on his Druid, to race it competitively. He might have gone faster on something else, but has at the very least proven hes fast n the new Druid.
https://www.vitalmtb.com/videos/member/xc-race-bikes-2023-uci-mountain-bike-cross-country-world-cup#node-video-comment
towards the end of the video, the mondrakers of cink and McConnell, and terpstras ghost have axs reverbs, but are allegedly controlled with an axs blip switch. Terpstra says this explicitly and she runs it on the right, the mondraker you see it on the left hand side.
Officially i believe this doesn’t work, so either there’s a new blip button; or they are using the blip for one shift, and one of the right hand control buttons for the dropper.
Moving the sight to HP is silly IMO. theres a couple of things to tidy up the sight like higher stack, more progressive curve & Threaded BB on the carbons. - I havnt seen any failures so maybe a diet for them aswell?
i personally would also like a mulletable one. Id buy a new sight with the above changes, even just the stack and curve update.
They are using the blip box with original blip buttons. The new wireless blips don’t work on the reverb.
From Vorsprung's Insta.... bet it won't be cheap.
I would expect way cheaper than push, more in line with ext and fast. If they managed to get the price down to bos/novyparts or formula level, it would sell like hot cakes no doubt, that might a bit too much to ask though.