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Mandingo915 9/1/2022 9:18pm
9/1/2022 9:18pm
hitar_potar wrote:
The 170mm bikes are the new trend these days, everyone’s releasing 1. It’s becoming the new “do-it-all-class” bike. Smile
dolface wrote:
Am the only one who wants a not-too-slack (~66° HT) 130/140mm 29er as a do-it-all bike?
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Erwan_Ghesquiere 9/1/2022 11:45pm
9/1/2022 11:45pm Edited Date/Time 9/1/2022 11:50pm
hitar_potar wrote:
The 170mm bikes are the new trend these days, everyone’s releasing 1. It’s becoming the new “do-it-all-class” bike. Smile
dolface wrote:
Am the only one who wants a not-too-slack (~66° HT) 130/140mm 29er as a do-it-all bike?
You are not but those people usually either don't bike park or have a bigger bike for that use. Currently I can't justify having 2 bikes but still do plenty of bike park and the trails I ride are purpose built enduro stages so 170/180mm with DH geo is what I've been looking for for many years. The bike industry is finally answering our needs, your needs have been answered for years and are still being answered with AM bikes and Down-country bikes, let us have our cake.
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Primoz 9/1/2022 11:51pm
9/1/2022 11:51pm
Nobody is taking away your chocolate cake, some of us just prefer a fruity flavour. Can't we have our cake too? Surely the bakeries are big enough to cater to different tastes?
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nucleardaisy 9/2/2022 2:16am
9/2/2022 2:16am
Katy Curd bike check with some new carbon enduro wheels from Hunt. Looks like they could be launching soon?
melonhead1145 9/2/2022 3:01am
9/2/2022 3:01am
I think these wheels have been around for a bit, I think Hunt is about to launch a new range of carbon MTB wheels under the "Proven" branding. They have already shown off some XC race wheels and these Enduro Race wheels, I would expect a trail wheel in the line up too.
nucleardaisy 9/2/2022 3:36am
9/2/2022 3:36am
melonhead1145 wrote:
I think these wheels have been around for a bit, I think Hunt is about to launch a new range of carbon MTB wheels under the...
I think these wheels have been around for a bit, I think Hunt is about to launch a new range of carbon MTB wheels under the "Proven" branding. They have already shown off some XC race wheels and these Enduro Race wheels, I would expect a trail wheel in the line up too.
Ebike version too?

Erwan_Ghesquiere 9/2/2022 4:35am
9/2/2022 4:35am
Primoz wrote:
Nobody is taking away your chocolate cake, some of us just prefer a fruity flavour. Can't we have our cake too? Surely the bakeries are big...
Nobody is taking away your chocolate cake, some of us just prefer a fruity flavour. Can't we have our cake too? Surely the bakeries are big enough to cater to different tastes?
Like I said, many fruit cakes have been done and are still made they are just labeled AM, Trail or Downcountry instead of Enduro or multi-purpose but that's what they are. Chocolate cakes haven't been done yet, merely milk-chocolate cakes and very few of them. If they had been done already you wouldn't see makeshift bikes of lads trying to fit AXS droppers to a DH bike to get what they expect from a bike.
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I really like carrot cake
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dolface 9/2/2022 5:11am
9/2/2022 5:11am
hitar_potar wrote:
The 170mm bikes are the new trend these days, everyone’s releasing 1. It’s becoming the new “do-it-all-class” bike. Smile
dolface wrote:
Am the only one who wants a not-too-slack (~66° HT) 130/140mm 29er as a do-it-all bike?
Mandingo915 wrote:
Revel rascal
Yup, it's top of my list, it's just weird to me that there are aren't more bikes like it, (@iceman's Nukeproof notwithstanding), or are there and I'm not looking in the right places?
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Primoz 9/2/2022 5:27am
9/2/2022 5:27am
66 degree headangle doesn't really jive with the modern "lower, longer, slacker" marketing headlines, so outside of custom geometries I doubt you'll see many of bikes like that. Unless you turn back the time and go for an older model 😂
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matmattmatthew 9/2/2022 5:51am
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dolface wrote:
Am the only one who wants a not-too-slack (~66° HT) 130/140mm 29er as a do-it-all bike?
Mandingo915 wrote:
Revel rascal
dolface wrote:
Yup, it's top of my list, it's just weird to me that there are aren't more bikes like it, (@iceman's Nukeproof notwithstanding), or are there and...
Yup, it's top of my list, it's just weird to me that there are aren't more bikes like it, (@iceman's Nukeproof notwithstanding), or are there and I'm not looking in the right places?
Stumpjumper in the Hi setting.
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thomas.gehrig 9/2/2022 5:54am
9/2/2022 5:54am
but at the same time, the trend of ridiculously slack headangles on smaller bikes is sometimes a wee bit overkill. My previous bike was a process 153 29er which had a "conservative" 66 degree headangle. This should technically be unrideable but combined with the right geometry and short chainstays, it was really fun to ride and felt really nimble/poppy compared to my actual bike now (forbidden dreadnought, 63 degree headangle, 460+ chainstays). For sure the dreadnought feels more composed and stable in a wee bit of everything but for tamer trails and all, I'd rather have something more lively.(hence why I bought an epic evo...)
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willsmooth18 9/2/2022 6:34am
9/2/2022 6:34am
thomas.gehrig wrote:
but at the same time, the trend of ridiculously slack headangles on smaller bikes is sometimes a wee bit overkill. My previous bike was a process...
but at the same time, the trend of ridiculously slack headangles on smaller bikes is sometimes a wee bit overkill. My previous bike was a process 153 29er which had a "conservative" 66 degree headangle. This should technically be unrideable but combined with the right geometry and short chainstays, it was really fun to ride and felt really nimble/poppy compared to my actual bike now (forbidden dreadnought, 63 degree headangle, 460+ chainstays). For sure the dreadnought feels more composed and stable in a wee bit of everything but for tamer trails and all, I'd rather have something more lively.(hence why I bought an epic evo...)
"poppy" is a lot more linked, 1°)to rear suspension with mid-support and 2°)to short chainstays, than to head angle.
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Erwan_Ghesquiere 9/2/2022 7:26am
9/2/2022 7:26am Edited Date/Time 9/2/2022 7:28am
Primoz wrote:
66 degree headangle doesn't really jive with the modern "lower, longer, slacker" marketing headlines, so outside of custom geometries I doubt you'll see many of bikes...
66 degree headangle doesn't really jive with the modern "lower, longer, slacker" marketing headlines, so outside of custom geometries I doubt you'll see many of bikes like that. Unless you turn back the time and go for an older model 😂
Just went on Devinci website, you have the Troy in high setting, the Marshal and the Django that fit the 66ish HA and 140ish travel. How many bikes with proper geo to actually do it all bike park included (63/4HA and 170ish) ? That's right only one which is the Spartan. So many Chocolate cakes and so few Fruit cakes left on the market you are right, 3/4 only this few it's unacceptable lol
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Erwan_Ghesquiere 9/2/2022 7:30am
9/2/2022 7:30am
thomas.gehrig wrote:
but at the same time, the trend of ridiculously slack headangles on smaller bikes is sometimes a wee bit overkill. My previous bike was a process...
but at the same time, the trend of ridiculously slack headangles on smaller bikes is sometimes a wee bit overkill. My previous bike was a process 153 29er which had a "conservative" 66 degree headangle. This should technically be unrideable but combined with the right geometry and short chainstays, it was really fun to ride and felt really nimble/poppy compared to my actual bike now (forbidden dreadnought, 63 degree headangle, 460+ chainstays). For sure the dreadnought feels more composed and stable in a wee bit of everything but for tamer trails and all, I'd rather have something more lively.(hence why I bought an epic evo...)
willsmooth18 wrote:
"poppy" is a lot more linked, 1°)to rear suspension with mid-support and 2°)to short chainstays, than to head angle.
Short CS don't do much for poppyness, Stack does much more to help that.
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willsmooth18 9/2/2022 9:25am
9/2/2022 9:25am
thomas.gehrig wrote:
but at the same time, the trend of ridiculously slack headangles on smaller bikes is sometimes a wee bit overkill. My previous bike was a process...
but at the same time, the trend of ridiculously slack headangles on smaller bikes is sometimes a wee bit overkill. My previous bike was a process 153 29er which had a "conservative" 66 degree headangle. This should technically be unrideable but combined with the right geometry and short chainstays, it was really fun to ride and felt really nimble/poppy compared to my actual bike now (forbidden dreadnought, 63 degree headangle, 460+ chainstays). For sure the dreadnought feels more composed and stable in a wee bit of everything but for tamer trails and all, I'd rather have something more lively.(hence why I bought an epic evo...)
willsmooth18 wrote:
"poppy" is a lot more linked, 1°)to rear suspension with mid-support and 2°)to short chainstays, than to head angle.
Erwan_Ghesquiere wrote:
Short CS don't do much for poppyness, Stack does much more to help that.
Yep, I mixed "poppy" and "manualable". In a sentence trying to unmix "poppy" and "nimble". Good job.
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millsr4 9/2/2022 9:50am
9/2/2022 9:50am
dolface wrote:
Am the only one who wants a not-too-slack (~66° HT) 130/140mm 29er as a do-it-all bike?
Mandingo915 wrote:
Revel rascal
dolface wrote:
Yup, it's top of my list, it's just weird to me that there are aren't more bikes like it, (@iceman's Nukeproof notwithstanding), or are there and...
Yup, it's top of my list, it's just weird to me that there are aren't more bikes like it, (@iceman's Nukeproof notwithstanding), or are there and I'm not looking in the right places?
The new Norco Fluid should check the boxes for you.
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gibbon 9/2/2022 12:36pm
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dolface wrote:
Am the only one who wants a not-too-slack (~66° HT) 130/140mm 29er as a do-it-all bike?
Trek Fuel Ex
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pdon 9/2/2022 1:10pm
9/2/2022 1:10pm
I heard something interesting recently that suggested manufacturers are directing the bulk of their focus "downcountry" and enduro bikes these days. As a result, everything in between the two ends of the MTB spectrum hasn't received nearly as much attention.

I do think this sort of thing is a little cyclical...my guess is that sooner or later we will see a refreshed focus on trail bikes.
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dolface 9/2/2022 1:47pm
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Mandingo915 wrote:
Revel rascal
dolface wrote:
Yup, it's top of my list, it's just weird to me that there are aren't more bikes like it, (@iceman's Nukeproof notwithstanding), or are there and...
Yup, it's top of my list, it's just weird to me that there are aren't more bikes like it, (@iceman's Nukeproof notwithstanding), or are there and I'm not looking in the right places?
millsr4 wrote:
The new Norco Fluid should check the boxes for you.
Yep, it does!
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sspomer 9/2/2022 3:48pm
9/2/2022 3:48pm
highest end fluid with FOX factory squish and full XT drivetrain (not just a rear derailleur) just dropped to $3,999 too. we'll have a long-term test posted soon. it's held up well under our rider who's had over 250 miles on it in the last couple months.
https://www.norco.com/bikes/mountain/trail/fluid-fs/2023-fluid-fs-a1/

we actually filmed it today


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Buttons 9/2/2022 8:30pm
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sr_34 wrote:
MoiMoi on the new AXS Drivetrain. [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/08/31/12952/s1200_abc.jpg[/img]
MoiMoi on the new AXS Drivetrain.


Noeserd wrote:
It looks heavy
Speaking of the new AXS I have seen it in person and looked to me that it would be significantly lighter than the current gen stuff. The chain has a significant amount of material removed, and it looks odd but is not as bulky as the current AXS. I was surprised with how much better it is tucked under the chainstay.
Also the new cassette looks extremely light and potentially featuring some different non steel metals. It looked like mostly titanium cogs to me but I wasn't able to get close enough to perform a taste test but It looked nothing like the current sram cassettes.
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hitar_potar 9/3/2022 12:14am
9/3/2022 12:14am
Well, e13 are giving Sram a run for their money regarding the cassettes’ weight - they need to react (Sram). Which would be good cause this way tech is evolving and getting cheaper. Which is good for us regular folks that are willing to cough up 100-150$ for a cassette instead of 350$… 😀
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krabo83 9/3/2022 4:57am
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hitar_potar wrote:
Well, e13 are giving Sram a run for their money regarding the cassettes’ weight - they need to react (Sram). Which would be good cause this...
Well, e13 are giving Sram a run for their money regarding the cassettes’ weight - they need to react (Sram). Which would be good cause this way tech is evolving and getting cheaper. Which is good for us regular folks that are willing to cough up 100-150$ for a cassette instead of 350$… 😀
but e13 cassettes don‘t even come close in shifting performance compared to higher end sram stuff.
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mfoga 9/3/2022 8:40am
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hitar_potar wrote:
The 170mm bikes are the new trend these days, everyone’s releasing 1. It’s becoming the new “do-it-all-class” bike. Smile
dolface wrote:
Am the only one who wants a not-too-slack (~66° HT) 130/140mm 29er as a do-it-all bike?
Trek Top fuel going 120/130 not quite as much travel as you are asking for but super fun bike
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Primoz 9/3/2022 11:33am
9/3/2022 11:33am
hitar_potar wrote:
Well, e13 are giving Sram a run for their money regarding the cassettes’ weight - they need to react (Sram). Which would be good cause this...
Well, e13 are giving Sram a run for their money regarding the cassettes’ weight - they need to react (Sram). Which would be good cause this way tech is evolving and getting cheaper. Which is good for us regular folks that are willing to cough up 100-150$ for a cassette instead of 350$… 😀
krabo83 wrote:
but e13 cassettes don‘t even come close in shifting performance compared to higher end sram stuff.
This, I take a weight penalty than run an e.13 cassette given what I've seen happens with them. Haven't even tried the shifting performance though, have little intention to do it.
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Noeserd 9/3/2022 12:51pm
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Buttons wrote:
Speaking of the new AXS I have seen it in person and looked to me that it would be significantly lighter than the current gen stuff...
Speaking of the new AXS I have seen it in person and looked to me that it would be significantly lighter than the current gen stuff. The chain has a significant amount of material removed, and it looks odd but is not as bulky as the current AXS. I was surprised with how much better it is tucked under the chainstay.
Also the new cassette looks extremely light and potentially featuring some different non steel metals. It looked like mostly titanium cogs to me but I wasn't able to get close enough to perform a taste test but It looked nothing like the current sram cassettes.
I hope with that amount of material removed from chains they wont snap more than the current stuff, i and my friends snapped too much gx chains it's pathetic
baronKanon 9/3/2022 12:57pm
9/3/2022 12:57pm
Noeserd wrote:
I hope with that amount of material removed from chains they wont snap more than the current stuff, i and my friends snapped too much gx...
I hope with that amount of material removed from chains they wont snap more than the current stuff, i and my friends snapped too much gx chains it's pathetic
Stop buying cheap chains. XX1 and X01 are way more durable and stronger than GX. In the long run these will save you money
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