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3/27/2021 11:03am
Is it just me or does that chainstay look long compared to the front end
C-LION wrote:
Indeed, front triangle looks very short compared to the chainstay. Looks strange IMO, but I like that they are joining the HSP party.
Looks like a 2013 XS. Maybe is just a crappy picture, but the current session's sizing is weird too
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3/27/2021 11:12am Edited Date/Time 3/27/2021 11:17am
BTW, regarding bike proportions, to me it seems that bikes look the best with the top tube perpendicular to the headtube. Have it more horizontal and bikes will look tall and maybe a bit longer than actually (but mostly high), while having it slope down even more extremely will make the bike look very short in the front end, at least to me (case in point, single sided Demo).

Given the pictures, yeah, it does appear to be on the smaller size (seat height), but still, the front centre is quite a bit longer than the rear is. And with a high pivot the effective chainstay (the lower link) is longer than with an ordinary lower pivot layout of course.
3/27/2021 1:47pm
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[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2021/03/26/10640/s1200_75F6545A_9746_4A5F_BC81_39CD184C02D1.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2021/03/26/10639/s1200_AF6DBA17_CFB4_4901_AF11_3EC931610598.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2021/03/26/10641/s1200_3497335D_02B8_449C_B0E6_E5A30CA9C412.jpg[/img]



Unfortunately they are on back order until February 2023
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3/27/2021 3:48pm
C-LION wrote:
New YT Capra soon to be released? Can’t wait, really looking forward to seeing this bike. [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2021/03/27/10642/s1200_0B52A22D_5373_4215_ACE7_B4ED2EEE3D28.jpg[/img]
New YT Capra soon to be released? Can’t wait, really looking forward to seeing this bike.

Nice watch ! Smile
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3/27/2021 5:16pm
Gwin already on carbon version of prototype enduro bike at Vail today
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3/28/2021 12:13am
Is it just me or do these high pivot bikes only exist because of 29inch wheels? Back when we rode those microscopic 27.5 wheels you could run a really small BB drop which lets you get away with quite a high pivot without much chain growth. But these new 29ers need at least a 25mm drop reducing the amount of rearward path you can get for that amount of chain growth. It gives manufacturers two options go for the specialised method and just accept the pedal kick back or go for the trek approach and have an idler.
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3/28/2021 5:28am
Yeah, larger wheels definitely do not help with this. To get a decent amount of pedal kickback the axle path is more forwards (I wonder how the better rollover and the more forward path offset each other...) on larger wheels. That's a two fold negative, the chainstays tend to have to be longer because of the bigger wheels as is, but the packaging is much more of an issue too, hence the bent and offset seat tubes.

We just need a Pinion with a non-concentric output gear (like on an Effigear).
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3/28/2021 8:28am
I feel like the high pivot train started doing well just before the 29er revolution really hit the ground finally though, the supreme V4 and norco Hsp were first of the current batch of high pivots and norco had to shoehorn the 29's into the HSP frame after the fact since they did a straight to carbon design with 27.5's. I think they just happened in line with each other.
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3/28/2021 8:37am
Definitely has the aesthetics. Might be there best looking trail/enduro bike they've made so far

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3/28/2021 10:00am
Is this a Megatower with an actully steep seat tube angle? I'm interested
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3/28/2021 10:08am Edited Date/Time 3/28/2021 10:09am
Looks kinda short in the cockpit though...

The seat tube is steep for Intense standards though. But a steep seat tube just requires a longer reach to not have an insanely short top tube...
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3/28/2021 11:24am
I'll wait for the geometry chart, it might look shorter than what it is as there's quite a bit of overlap between the top and down tube. I'd be surprised if they go shorter than their newish trail bike (forgot the name)
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3/28/2021 12:25pm
Rear shock also looks to be a prototype. No Kashima and the piggyback looks slightly different than the current X2.
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3/28/2021 12:30pm
mwolpin wrote:
Rear shock also looks to be a prototype. No Kashima and the piggyback looks slightly different than the current X2.
Good catch, piggyback definetly looks different
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3/28/2021 12:48pm
mwolpin wrote:
Rear shock also looks to be a prototype. No Kashima and the piggyback looks slightly different than the current X2.
Looks just like the new performance elite float X2. Most likely just a different time and maybe a slightly larger IFP chamber.
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3/28/2021 1:42pm
New Pole Evolink 140 1.4 in 2 or 3 weeks, 158 discontinued
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3/28/2021 3:30pm
Leo Molloy wrote:
Is it just me or do these high pivot bikes only exist because of 29inch wheels? Back when we rode those microscopic 27.5 wheels you could...
Is it just me or do these high pivot bikes only exist because of 29inch wheels? Back when we rode those microscopic 27.5 wheels you could run a really small BB drop which lets you get away with quite a high pivot without much chain growth. But these new 29ers need at least a 25mm drop reducing the amount of rearward path you can get for that amount of chain growth. It gives manufacturers two options go for the specialised method and just accept the pedal kick back or go for the trek approach and have an idler.
Pedal kickback isn't the issue they are solving but it's a welcome gain.

The benefits of rearward axle path and lengthening the CS under compression within reason is the secret sauce.
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3/28/2021 7:54pm
Trocko wrote:
Definitely has the aesthetics. Might be there best looking trail/enduro bike they've made so far [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2021/03/28/10646/s1200_5CAE026F_25A4_445D_808C_8664B95EDF68.jpg[/img]
Definitely has the aesthetics. Might be there best looking trail/enduro bike they've made so far

Looks like it's a mullet too.
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3/28/2021 9:46pm
madsam9 wrote:
Is this a Megatower with an actully steep seat tube angle? I'm interested
Also wondering if they did the concentric lower link like the M29
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3/28/2021 10:08pm
brash wrote:
Pedal kickback isn't the issue they are solving but it's a welcome gain. The benefits of rearward axle path and lengthening the CS under compression within...
Pedal kickback isn't the issue they are solving but it's a welcome gain.

The benefits of rearward axle path and lengthening the CS under compression within reason is the secret sauce.
If pedal kickback isn't what idlers are solving, why have them anyway? It's their main reason for existence.
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3/28/2021 10:11pm
brash wrote:
Pedal kickback isn't the issue they are solving but it's a welcome gain. The benefits of rearward axle path and lengthening the CS under compression within...
Pedal kickback isn't the issue they are solving but it's a welcome gain.

The benefits of rearward axle path and lengthening the CS under compression within reason is the secret sauce.
Primoz wrote:
If pedal kickback isn't what idlers are solving, why have them anyway? It's their main reason for existence.
But Steve from Vorsprung and Team robot said pedal kickback is a myth, like Santa Claus and Evil Warranties
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3/28/2021 10:43pm
brash wrote:
But Steve from Vorsprung and Team robot said pedal kickback is a myth, like Santa Claus and Evil Warranties
Pretty sure it was brake jack...
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3/28/2021 10:48pm
madsam9 wrote:
Is this a Megatower with an actully steep seat tube angle? I'm interested
metadave wrote:
Also wondering if they did the concentric lower link like the M29
From what I saw in person looked to be same as m29
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3/29/2021 7:56am
Trocko wrote:
Definitely has the aesthetics. Might be there best looking trail/enduro bike they've made so far [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2021/03/28/10646/s1200_5CAE026F_25A4_445D_808C_8664B95EDF68.jpg[/img]
Definitely has the aesthetics. Might be there best looking trail/enduro bike they've made so far

Thats not a high bar haha
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3/29/2021 10:37am
Trocko wrote:
Definitely has the aesthetics. Might be there best looking trail/enduro bike they've made so far [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2021/03/28/10646/s1200_5CAE026F_25A4_445D_808C_8664B95EDF68.jpg[/img]
Definitely has the aesthetics. Might be there best looking trail/enduro bike they've made so far

What keeps an Intense from being ugly is to keep the guy in the paint/sticker department the hell away from the designs.

Not seen a good looking color scheme & sticker/paint patter in years over there.

Meanwhile YT is making bikes with no logos that look sexy as crap. I mean, even Kona is making good looking bikes now with the "less is more" graphics.
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3/29/2021 10:43am

I remember lusting after this one (though probably still the 26" version, same colour though).

As for pedal kickback, I think it was brake jack, yeah, at least Santa Cruz said they don't really look what kind of jack values they have designing bikes.

Pedal kickback for sure is a thing, just depends on the speed and size of drops you ride.
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Also, has Gwin-duro been used yet? Because if not that's officially this bikes name.
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3/29/2021 3:07pm
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