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Is that a ransom with fox 40s on? Cause I'd be interested to see their hidden shock approach in the downhill, would make for a low centre of gravity at least?

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1/14/2025 10:06am

So, can the currently 15th placed team (who may have signed contacts and spent £) be bumped down the list by a late announcement eg BC? Or have I misunderstood the calculus? 

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1/14/2025 10:12am Edited Date/Time 1/14/2025 10:17am

I tried to read the new UCI team list on the other site but gave up about 20 words in before my head exploded.

So, only riders on top 15 teams can race and 5 alternates?

So where does that put Gwin Racing?  I mean, the guy's won more WC races than any other American (save Julie Furtado, maybe)...are we gonna get to see him race this year?  Did WB fix it so that they get him as commentator only?!  

What about other teams like "Rogue Racing"?  If you're not on a top 15 team, you're on the sidelines?!

If there was ever a time for DH to split from UCI, it seems like this is it.

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Is that a ransom with fox 40s on? Cause I'd be interested to see their hidden shock approach in the downhill, would make for a low...

Is that a ransom with fox 40s on? Cause I'd be interested to see their hidden shock approach in the downhill, would make for a low centre of gravity at least?

just a matter of when (below pic is from July '24)

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1/14/2025 10:23am Edited Date/Time 1/14/2025 10:26am
sspomer wrote:

daprela on rogue racing

Disappointing to see there are still teams willing to support Daprela after what he is alleged to have done. There are a ton of other riders without teams that are almost as fast and come with none of the baggage. I would've thought sponsors would prefer their riders to be fast and good human beings, rather than just fast.

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1/14/2025 10:25am
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Is that a ransom with fox 40s on? Cause I'd be interested to see their hidden shock approach in the downhill, would make for a low...

Is that a ransom with fox 40s on? Cause I'd be interested to see their hidden shock approach in the downhill, would make for a low centre of gravity at least?

jonkranked wrote:
just a matter of when (below pic is from July '24)

just a matter of when (below pic is from July '24)

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Oh hell yeah that looks really cool

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1/14/2025 10:27am
lawn dart wrote:
I tried to read the new UCI team list on the other site but gave up about 20 words in before my head exploded.So, only riders...

I tried to read the new UCI team list on the other site but gave up about 20 words in before my head exploded.

So, only riders on top 15 teams can race and 5 alternates?

So where does that put Gwin Racing?  I mean, the guy's won more WC races than any other American (save Julie Furtado, maybe)...are we gonna get to see him race this year?  Did WB fix it so that they get him as commentator only?!  

What about other teams like "Rogue Racing"?  If you're not on a top 15 team, you're on the sidelines?!

If there was ever a time for DH to split from UCI, it seems like this is it.

so the alternates are considered under a bunch of different criteria, that can be summarized as "cover for the UCI to choose who they want."

We don't know for sure all the details of Gwin's team, but the way it looks right now, it's likely if his team is chosen, it's at the cost of another team that has more UCI points than his team has.

So either Gwin races and somebody else deserving doesn't, or vice versa.  

and that's what the UCI wanted.

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1/14/2025 10:30am
Disappointing to see there are still teams willing to support Daprela after what he is alleged to have done. There are a ton of other riders...

Disappointing to see there are still teams willing to support Daprela after what he is alleged to have done. There are a ton of other riders without teams that are almost as fast and come with none of the baggage. I would've thought sponsors would prefer their riders to be fast and good human beings, rather than just fast.

You said it yourself mate: “ALLEGED”

 

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1/14/2025 10:35am
sspomer wrote:

daprela on rogue racing

Disappointing to see there are still teams willing to support Daprela after what he is alleged to have done. There are a ton of other riders...

Disappointing to see there are still teams willing to support Daprela after what he is alleged to have done. There are a ton of other riders without teams that are almost as fast and come with none of the baggage. I would've thought sponsors would prefer their riders to be fast and good human beings, rather than just fast.

So it's guilty until proven innocent now, is it?

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1/14/2025 10:36am Edited Date/Time 1/14/2025 10:37am
Disappointing to see there are still teams willing to support Daprela after what he is alleged to have done. There are a ton of other riders...

Disappointing to see there are still teams willing to support Daprela after what he is alleged to have done. There are a ton of other riders without teams that are almost as fast and come with none of the baggage. I would've thought sponsors would prefer their riders to be fast and good human beings, rather than just fast.

TimBud wrote:

You said it yourself mate: “ALLEGED”

 

Alleged still doesn't look good to people buying products. If I was a bike shop owner and somebody applied to work there and was alleged to be replacing customers' fork oil with olive oil and skidding the showroom bike tires in the parking lot, I wouldn't hire him, because our customers wouldn't trust him to work on their bike. Daprela is alleged of much worse. I just can't see how that makes sense for Rogue Racing's sponsors. 

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1/14/2025 10:40am
sspomer wrote:

daprela on rogue racing

Disappointing to see there are still teams willing to support Daprela after what he is alleged to have done. There are a ton of other riders...

Disappointing to see there are still teams willing to support Daprela after what he is alleged to have done. There are a ton of other riders without teams that are almost as fast and come with none of the baggage. I would've thought sponsors would prefer their riders to be fast and good human beings, rather than just fast.

Alleged, not charged and no conviction 

Roque Racing, small team and I assume a small budget. Maybe his “baggage” priced him into a smaller lesser known team. 

Antonio Brown of the NFL was convicted of assault charges on his wife and the NFL still let the guy play. Not alleged, convicted.


Give TD a chance until he’s charged and convicted. Too much bashing of riders on the forum based on speculation and not facts. Leaning into slander in some cases imo 

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1/14/2025 10:40am Edited Date/Time 1/14/2025 11:05am
lawn dart wrote:
I tried to read the new UCI team list on the other site but gave up about 20 words in before my head exploded.So, only riders...

I tried to read the new UCI team list on the other site but gave up about 20 words in before my head exploded.

So, only riders on top 15 teams can race and 5 alternates?

So where does that put Gwin Racing?  I mean, the guy's won more WC races than any other American (save Julie Furtado, maybe)...are we gonna get to see him race this year?  Did WB fix it so that they get him as commentator only?!  

What about other teams like "Rogue Racing"?  If you're not on a top 15 team, you're on the sidelines?!

If there was ever a time for DH to split from UCI, it seems like this is it.

I think this kinda sums it up - 

1. If you're in a top 15 team, you can race. (regardless if you meet other reqs)

2. If you're top 50 for elites or top 100 for juniors, you can race. (regardless if you meet other reqs)

3. If you are the current World/Conti/National Champ, you can race. (regardless if you meet other reqs)

4. If you didn't make any of those, then you either hope to be on a). One of the 5 season wildcard teams b). One of the 8 chosen wildcard teams for that round or c). Your national cycling federation's list.

Now... Gwin doesn't currently meet 1,2 or 3 but I'm pretty sure he has no problem either getting in as a wildcard or at least be put in by USA cycling. 

 

Edit - clarified 4 a bit.

 

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1/14/2025 10:42am
lawn dart wrote:
I tried to read the new UCI team list on the other site but gave up about 20 words in before my head exploded.So, only riders...

I tried to read the new UCI team list on the other site but gave up about 20 words in before my head exploded.

So, only riders on top 15 teams can race and 5 alternates?

So where does that put Gwin Racing?  I mean, the guy's won more WC races than any other American (save Julie Furtado, maybe)...are we gonna get to see him race this year?  Did WB fix it so that they get him as commentator only?!  

What about other teams like "Rogue Racing"?  If you're not on a top 15 team, you're on the sidelines?!

If there was ever a time for DH to split from UCI, it seems like this is it.

In fairness, that article was actually good (in theory) but was, I will agree, difficult to read.


That being said, I did manage to deduce that Benoit signing with Scott bumps them up into the top 15 (not sure on actual ranking) and knocks MS racing down in to 16th place.

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1/14/2025 10:43am
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Is that a ransom with fox 40s on? Cause I'd be interested to see their hidden shock approach in the downhill, would make for a low...

Is that a ransom with fox 40s on? Cause I'd be interested to see their hidden shock approach in the downhill, would make for a low centre of gravity at least?

jonkranked wrote:
just a matter of when (below pic is from July '24)

just a matter of when (below pic is from July '24)

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It won't be long now. Vinny T is also already out and about on the new gambler, you can see a few sneek peeks in his in stories. 👀

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1/14/2025 10:54am Edited Date/Time 1/14/2025 10:55am
Alleged still doesn't look good to people buying products. If I was a bike shop owner and somebody applied to work there and was alleged to...

Alleged still doesn't look good to people buying products. If I was a bike shop owner and somebody applied to work there and was alleged to be replacing customers' fork oil with olive oil and skidding the showroom bike tires in the parking lot, I wouldn't hire him, because our customers wouldn't trust him to work on their bike. Daprela is alleged of much worse. I just can't see how that makes sense for Rogue Racing's sponsors. 

It’s safe to assume that RogueRacing have done their due diligence and sought legal advice and are therefore privvy to more information than anyone here. If they are happy to take on him on then let’s for once be an adult and wish them all luck.


But if you know more, then maybe get off the internet and go and pass your info on to the relevant authorities.

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Disappointing to see there are still teams willing to support Daprela after what he is alleged to have done. There are a ton of other riders...

Disappointing to see there are still teams willing to support Daprela after what he is alleged to have done. There are a ton of other riders without teams that are almost as fast and come with none of the baggage. I would've thought sponsors would prefer their riders to be fast and good human beings, rather than just fast.

Consider him innocent until evidence proves otherwise

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kevroberts wrote:
In fairness, that article was actually good (in theory) but was, I will agree, difficult to read.That being said, I did manage to deduce that Benoit...

In fairness, that article was actually good (in theory) but was, I will agree, difficult to read.


That being said, I did manage to deduce that Benoit signing with Scott bumps them up into the top 15 (not sure on actual ranking) and knocks MS racing down in to 16th place.

Benoit puts scott at #10

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Uncle B will be able to break it down best, but there are a handful of routes to World Cup start gates that don’t include being on those 15 teams with the most points. You can be on one of the 5 teams that gets a rose from Chris Ball, due to your popularity / drug use / sponsor. Very cool. You can be a national champ. Simple. Your team can be invited with a week to go. Fun! You can be fill-in from a farm team back home once. Or maybe twice. You can also rebel run the course a couple weeks after the race on a Walmart bike and claim internet victory, thereby increasing the chance at next year’s rose ceremony. Oh except forget that last one because you’re worthless in a league where the teams own the points—which is what they say the plan is for 2026. 

For every Hrastnik theres gonna be a … BK? It’s a zero sum game right now, truly. Game theory homework nonstop. Pay for all the points now or be ready to sell the trucks. Pay for points you don’t even need so that the other team doesn’t get em. Trek Factory Racing hasn’t announced their point totals yet—I wouldn’t either. If you think you got it, wait until midnight to announce. Right? Too early and you leave yourself open to what?—like two little teams voltronning you into that 16-20 zone where maybe you didn’t invite some chump TV producer to a party and he’s gonna push to pick another team instead? Hell naw

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1/14/2025 11:10am Edited Date/Time 1/14/2025 11:11am

if yeti/fox picks up Camille Balanche as rumored, that team would bump to spot 16. 

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1/14/2025 11:14am
lawn dart wrote:
I tried to read the new UCI team list on the other site but gave up about 20 words in before my head exploded.So, only riders...

I tried to read the new UCI team list on the other site but gave up about 20 words in before my head exploded.

So, only riders on top 15 teams can race and 5 alternates?

So where does that put Gwin Racing?  I mean, the guy's won more WC races than any other American (save Julie Furtado, maybe)...are we gonna get to see him race this year?  Did WB fix it so that they get him as commentator only?!  

What about other teams like "Rogue Racing"?  If you're not on a top 15 team, you're on the sidelines?!

If there was ever a time for DH to split from UCI, it seems like this is it.

amaranth wrote:
I think this kinda sums it up - 1. If you're in a top 15 team, you can race. (regardless if you meet other reqs)2. If you're...

I think this kinda sums it up - 

1. If you're in a top 15 team, you can race. (regardless if you meet other reqs)

2. If you're top 50 for elites or top 100 for juniors, you can race. (regardless if you meet other reqs)

3. If you are the current World/Conti/National Champ, you can race. (regardless if you meet other reqs)

4. If you didn't make any of those, then you either hope to be on a). One of the 5 season wildcard teams b). One of the 8 chosen wildcard teams for that round or c). Your national cycling federation's list.

Now... Gwin doesn't currently meet 1,2 or 3 but I'm pretty sure he has no problem either getting in as a wildcard or at least be put in by USA cycling. 

 

Edit - clarified 4 a bit.

 

because of course it gets more complicated, you forgot the golden ticket for continental series leaders.

But my original point remains, if his team were chosen for season-long wildcard, it would be at the expense of a different team with more points, based on the current standing.

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1/14/2025 11:16am
sspomer wrote:

daprela on rogue racing

Disappointing to see there are still teams willing to support Daprela after what he is alleged to have done. There are a ton of other riders...

Disappointing to see there are still teams willing to support Daprela after what he is alleged to have done. There are a ton of other riders without teams that are almost as fast and come with none of the baggage. I would've thought sponsors would prefer their riders to be fast and good human beings, rather than just fast.

Alleged, not charged and no conviction Roque Racing, small team and I assume a small budget. Maybe his “baggage” priced him into a smaller lesser known team. Antonio...

Alleged, not charged and no conviction 

Roque Racing, small team and I assume a small budget. Maybe his “baggage” priced him into a smaller lesser known team. 

Antonio Brown of the NFL was convicted of assault charges on his wife and the NFL still let the guy play. Not alleged, convicted.


Give TD a chance until he’s charged and convicted. Too much bashing of riders on the forum based on speculation and not facts. Leaning into slander in some cases imo 

imagine using a “hey at least I’m not as bad as the NFL” argument in real life 

 

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1/14/2025 11:22am
lawn dart wrote:
I tried to read the new UCI team list on the other site but gave up about 20 words in before my head exploded.So, only riders...

I tried to read the new UCI team list on the other site but gave up about 20 words in before my head exploded.

So, only riders on top 15 teams can race and 5 alternates?

So where does that put Gwin Racing?  I mean, the guy's won more WC races than any other American (save Julie Furtado, maybe)...are we gonna get to see him race this year?  Did WB fix it so that they get him as commentator only?!  

What about other teams like "Rogue Racing"?  If you're not on a top 15 team, you're on the sidelines?!

If there was ever a time for DH to split from UCI, it seems like this is it.

amaranth wrote:
I think this kinda sums it up - 1. If you're in a top 15 team, you can race. (regardless if you meet other reqs)2. If you're...

I think this kinda sums it up - 

1. If you're in a top 15 team, you can race. (regardless if you meet other reqs)

2. If you're top 50 for elites or top 100 for juniors, you can race. (regardless if you meet other reqs)

3. If you are the current World/Conti/National Champ, you can race. (regardless if you meet other reqs)

4. If you didn't make any of those, then you either hope to be on a). One of the 5 season wildcard teams b). One of the 8 chosen wildcard teams for that round or c). Your national cycling federation's list.

Now... Gwin doesn't currently meet 1,2 or 3 but I'm pretty sure he has no problem either getting in as a wildcard or at least be put in by USA cycling. 

 

Edit - clarified 4 a bit.

 

groghunter wrote:
because of course it gets more complicated, you forgot the golden ticket for continental series leaders.But my original point remains, if his team were chosen for...

because of course it gets more complicated, you forgot the golden ticket for continental series leaders.

But my original point remains, if his team were chosen for season-long wildcard, it would be at the expense of a different team with more points, based on the current standing.

Hmm good point. I wouldn't be surprised if his team didn't get picked for the season long 5 though. They'd probably get him in on the 8 per round, keep picking him until he ranks top 50 again then he can get in on his own. There's not another high profile rider on his team except himself right? If Cam went to Yeti (and that's a big if), I could see UCI taking the Yeti/Fox team as one of the season long 5 due to both Cam and Richie. Obviously just pure speculation here...I'm probably wrong anyways haha.

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kevroberts wrote:
In fairness, that article was actually good (in theory) but was, I will agree, difficult to read.That being said, I did manage to deduce that Benoit...

In fairness, that article was actually good (in theory) but was, I will agree, difficult to read.


That being said, I did manage to deduce that Benoit signing with Scott bumps them up into the top 15 (not sure on actual ranking) and knocks MS racing down in to 16th place.

jonkranked wrote:

Benoit puts scott at #10

That sounds about right from what I can remember.


Significantly it also puts Pivot right on the bubble, balanche signing for Yeti would put them in 991 points which is still 2 less than Pivots current 993!

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Antoine pierron on les orres?

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amaranth wrote:
I think this kinda sums it up - 1. If you're in a top 15 team, you can race. (regardless if you meet other reqs)2. If you're...

I think this kinda sums it up - 

1. If you're in a top 15 team, you can race. (regardless if you meet other reqs)

2. If you're top 50 for elites or top 100 for juniors, you can race. (regardless if you meet other reqs)

3. If you are the current World/Conti/National Champ, you can race. (regardless if you meet other reqs)

4. If you didn't make any of those, then you either hope to be on a). One of the 5 season wildcard teams b). One of the 8 chosen wildcard teams for that round or c). Your national cycling federation's list.

Now... Gwin doesn't currently meet 1,2 or 3 but I'm pretty sure he has no problem either getting in as a wildcard or at least be put in by USA cycling. 

 

Edit - clarified 4 a bit.

 

groghunter wrote:
because of course it gets more complicated, you forgot the golden ticket for continental series leaders.But my original point remains, if his team were chosen for...

because of course it gets more complicated, you forgot the golden ticket for continental series leaders.

But my original point remains, if his team were chosen for season-long wildcard, it would be at the expense of a different team with more points, based on the current standing.

amaranth wrote:
Hmm good point. I wouldn't be surprised if his team didn't get picked for the season long 5 though. They'd probably get him in on the...

Hmm good point. I wouldn't be surprised if his team didn't get picked for the season long 5 though. They'd probably get him in on the 8 per round, keep picking him until he ranks top 50 again then he can get in on his own. There's not another high profile rider on his team except himself right? If Cam went to Yeti (and that's a big if), I could see UCI taking the Yeti/Fox team as one of the season long 5 due to both Cam and Richie. Obviously just pure speculation here...I'm probably wrong anyways haha.

i agree that it's likely Gwin Racing probably won't get a season long wildcard, though if the UCI didn't want the freedom to make those kinds of choices, there would just be 20 teams based on points.

But that means that a rider in Gwin's position, is looking at a wildly different landscape than in the past.

I mean Peaty raced until he was 43, 44 maybe?  His results probably would have left him without a guaranteed spot for at least the last few of those years, maybe more.  Even Greg would have been on the bubble or behind the line at times in the last few years.

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groghunter wrote:
because of course it gets more complicated, you forgot the golden ticket for continental series leaders.But my original point remains, if his team were chosen for...

because of course it gets more complicated, you forgot the golden ticket for continental series leaders.

But my original point remains, if his team were chosen for season-long wildcard, it would be at the expense of a different team with more points, based on the current standing.

amaranth wrote:
Hmm good point. I wouldn't be surprised if his team didn't get picked for the season long 5 though. They'd probably get him in on the...

Hmm good point. I wouldn't be surprised if his team didn't get picked for the season long 5 though. They'd probably get him in on the 8 per round, keep picking him until he ranks top 50 again then he can get in on his own. There's not another high profile rider on his team except himself right? If Cam went to Yeti (and that's a big if), I could see UCI taking the Yeti/Fox team as one of the season long 5 due to both Cam and Richie. Obviously just pure speculation here...I'm probably wrong anyways haha.

groghunter wrote:
i agree that it's likely Gwin Racing probably won't get a season long wildcard, though if the UCI didn't want the freedom to make those kinds...

i agree that it's likely Gwin Racing probably won't get a season long wildcard, though if the UCI didn't want the freedom to make those kinds of choices, there would just be 20 teams based on points.

But that means that a rider in Gwin's position, is looking at a wildly different landscape than in the past.

I mean Peaty raced until he was 43, 44 maybe?  His results probably would have left him without a guaranteed spot for at least the last few of those years, maybe more.  Even Greg would have been on the bubble or behind the line at times in the last few years.

Greg was 16th last year, 23rd on the UCI points ranking. I do agree with you on the UCI specifically wanted the flexibility of getting some riders into races though. They're gonna want the big names e.g. the Gwins and Rudes racing. 

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amaranth wrote:
Greg was 16th last year, 23rd on the UCI points ranking. I do agree with you on the UCI specifically wanted the flexibility of getting some...

Greg was 16th last year, 23rd on the UCI points ranking. I do agree with you on the UCI specifically wanted the flexibility of getting some riders into races though. They're gonna want the big names e.g. the Gwins and Rudes racing. 

if rude put in a full season of DH racing (or as full of one as the UCI would allow) it would put the yeti team in a good position for 26 (not accounting for the rumored addition of camille).  

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