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Great thread I too took the Big S with a heavy does of cynicism even though I do think we tend to be moving to an overly critical mindset here - I think a lot of people and companies are trying to do the right thing but there a lot of real factors that make this harder than the keyboard warriors are willing to concede. Like Jeff said, I also find Patagonia to be quite pedantic, especially in their marketing. However, they put their money where their mouth is. The Worn Wear thing is awesome - the attention to detail...

I wish I lived somewhere where running a dual crown on an Enduro bike was actually something to consider.

from jeff's post above - "And yeah, I know, Specialized did this way back when and it failed miserably."

Most recent meeting with land managers, and one of those groups was from the "california state parks"....after an all day affair of P4B talking about the benefits of eMTB's, we broke out into some round table discussions. I was with Cal State Park group, he said, and i've said this on other forums: "We have sat here all day, heard about how you are all going to sell more bikes, more people getting outside, all this is great, but-we didn't ask for this, we are under funded, under staffed and can't handle more people in the parks system"....it went into...

if that's true, they're not being very vocal about it. all other changes to programming have had press release sent. hope it is true.

Lee Dungarees coming back to the scene in full support of Johannes von Klebelsberg aka "The Denim Destroyer"