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You seem to be passive aggressively attacking them, no wonder they are defensive. Man up and plainly state your issue or STFU.

Do we? How bout' this -Inverted (clearly) -39mm lowers -147-176mm travel adjustable in 7mm increments, done internally, can only be done at Push's shop -CNC'd CSU, that are bonded to the upper tubes using loads of good intentions -HSC, 47 clicks -LSC 3 clicks -HSR, 9.7 clicks -LSR only adjustable internally, requires several model specific tools, like a 10mm socket (you know yours is mssing) easier to send to Push -Axle made of unobtainium, with a special 7 sided octagonal design said to increase torsional stiffness by 36.89% over previous model, with proprietary axle sizing, to fit readily available 120mm...

Is the rebound statement part your own theory or something you can back up? Because common theory of HBO is pretty clear in that it offers added rebound damping in the same part of the travel where it ads compression damping(it takes force to disengage cone from the cup), which is considered nice bonus when you get that deep into stroke.

I hope the bias in my conclusion was glaring, because I tried to spell it out as clearly as possible. I had an expectation for the Deviate and, to my surprise, that expectation wasn't met when I rode it. I'd love to ride it with an entry level shock to see how the axle path feels with less damping and more suspension bob.

Yeah, great question. It really surprised me, but the axle path of the Deviate and Trek were basically a non-issue for me during testing. There was never a time when I was testing either when I thought the rear axle path was magical or terrible. I had some theories about what I was expecting to feel on both bikes, and didn't feel it. The Deviate is a much more rearward axle path than the Trek by the way, the Trek is more of a "mid pivot" have-your-cake-and-eat-it-too design. What I expected to feel on the Trek and especially the Deviate...

I'm all in on the reward axle path half way through travel, then back to 0 at full travel. I think this is the best of both worlds if you get your dynamic sag and average position correct, you use the best of the axle path. Trek Session Commencal V5 Frameworks Crestline RS205 Atherton AM200 *I'm going to assume the new Intense M1 will be close to this. Here is an average axle position from a run at Killington during the US Open on Supreme V5. The average ride was between 40%-90%, This window has 4-5mm of reward axle path...

Yeah thats pretty accurate, basically the amount of AS made up by the chain is what gives a bike its pedal kickback. A bike I notice this a lot in is the current Enduro - historically Specializeds FSR bikes (note: this is a spesh thing, not a horst link thing) have low anti squat & anti rise figures but with some recent models they have used the chain tension to increase AS and it results in higher pedal kickback but still has low AR numbers. High pivot bikes naturally have more anti squat so don't need much chain effect, in...

Gotta scare the yokels off somehow

Also worth mentioning is things like the Trust forks. They have significant anti-dive. I spent a while riding a craftworks ENR high pivot bike with a Trust Shout on the front. The braking performance of that bike was fucking insane. https://www.vitalmtb.com/community/AgrAde,35595/setup,40730

Kinda/kinda not. There are two entirely separate effects at play that can be described as AS, and bike designers account for both effects to give a total amount of AS. Only one of which having anything to do with the chain. Those are described in the op... Kickback is basically the "equal and opposite reaction" part of the chain tension AS which is exceedingly simple: chain pulls wheel to extend suspension. Therefore wheel also pulls chain when it compresses suspension. Which it sounds like you have a solid understanding of. The other type of AS is just inherent to the...

Nah, we can just create support with spring force, like always. Or when in doubt, more tokens

Antisquat is the reaction of a driven wheel to the driving torque, caused by the suspension geometry (and chain in chain driven systems). Squat is caused by the weight transfer because of the acceleration applied to the vehicle. Again, pedal kickback is not caused by antisquat, it is caused by the chain lengthening going through the travel. And it is this lengthening of the chain that is part of the antisquat characteristic. As you pull on the chain (pedalling and driving the rear wheel) you oppose this lengthening of the chain and usually pull the suspension out of the travel...

Antisquat is caused by the chain length changing through the travel and the suspension geometry (in both cases the effect is either positive or negative). With the chain portion of the antisquat it can be connected to pedal kickback. And it can also bind the rear suspension, even more so with modern clutch derailleurs. Even if the sprocket on the crank can rotate freely (no pedal kickback and also no pedalling function possible) the suspension will still be bound as lengthening the chain through the derailleur cage requires a lot of force when done by lengthening the chainstay (bad mechanical...

AS happens ONLY while you're pedalling. It happens only when chain is tensioned to propel you forward. Do you pedal, or at least start pedalling in the middle of rear suspension travel? I doubt.

IMO dropping AS off deep into the travel like Yeti does, or the majority of horst link bikes do, is pointless. You get pedal kickback when the rate that your suspension is compressing exceeds the pedal kickback rate. And if your suspension is compressing quickly enough at the very bottom of your suspension stroke to engage your freehub at that point, you have much bigger problems than feedback through your pedals. Your suspension is moving the fastest at the beginning of the hit, and the spring and damper is only going to act to slow it down from there. Bikes...

Without an idler antisquat and pedal kickback should be closely related. A drop off of AS deep into the travel means there will be less overall pedal kickback in deep stroke events. And lack of antisquat shouldn't be a major issue as you're bracing for and handling the impact in the part of the travel, not pedalling... I'm fairly certain 6bar systems make this much easier to achieve and is the strategy that yeti employs with the switch platforms (4 and 6 bar) - link switching direction of travel will cause a big drop in antisquat values as the axle...