Interesting to see both Ochain and Trickstuff brakes come as oem. Its this the first bike to come with Trickstuff from factory? I know there was a scott scale in limited numbers if that counts, otherwise I cant think of one.
New propain tyee just launched about an hour ago.Interesting to see both Ochain and Trickstuff brakes come as oem. Its this the first bike to come...
New propain tyee just launched about an hour ago.
Interesting to see both Ochain and Trickstuff brakes come as oem. Its this the first bike to come with Trickstuff from factory? I know there was a scott scale in limited numbers if that counts, otherwise I cant think of one.
I would guess that A ) this has something to do with Trickstuff now being owned by DT Swiss, so maybe better distribution/manufacturing potential, and B ) this shows how few 'Factory' models Propain is likely to sell
Edited because I got caught by the B + ) =
, which still crops up on faded-red articles from time to time and I find hilarious that no one seems to check or change that
very rought astimation on what this would do to the Kinematics of the bike:Blue is the version pirrion is running, pink the productionis high antirise the...
very rought astimation on what this would do to the Kinematics of the bike:
Blue is the version pirrion is running, pink the production
New propain tyee just launched about an hour ago.Interesting to see both Ochain and Trickstuff brakes come as oem. Its this the first bike to come...
New propain tyee just launched about an hour ago.
Interesting to see both Ochain and Trickstuff brakes come as oem. Its this the first bike to come with Trickstuff from factory? I know there was a scott scale in limited numbers if that counts, otherwise I cant think of one.
I would guess that A ) this has something to do with Trickstuff now being owned by DT Swiss, so maybe better distribution/manufacturing potential, and B...
I would guess that A ) this has something to do with Trickstuff now being owned by DT Swiss, so maybe better distribution/manufacturing potential, and B ) this shows how few 'Factory' models Propain is likely to sell
Edited because I got caught by the B + ) =
, which still crops up on faded-red articles from time to time and I find hilarious that no one seems to check or change that
Yeah I think that too.
We've already seen quite a few bikes now this year that doesnt come with the "full" sram or shimano package. Instead they have started speccing TRP's or Hayes as oem on some bikes. From YT and Spesh for example.
No doubt DT will try to sell these as a package deal with hubs/wheelsets to manufacturers. And if the quality stays despite moving the offices/factory, hopefully more people will get to experience great brakes.
very rought astimation on what this would do to the Kinematics of the bike:Blue is the version pirrion is running, pink the productionis high antirise the...
very rought astimation on what this would do to the Kinematics of the bike:
Blue is the version pirrion is running, pink the production
is high antirise the new trend?
To say it plainly, yes. That's why you've been seeing the chainstays on nearly every production DH bike settle on a midpivot. They'll all calculate the rider's CG differently, but nearly everyone is chasing high AR numbers at the moment, and the easiest way to do that is to change where the chainstay mounts. In that graph the bike reaches the 100% AR mark at around 40-50% travel, so it'll pack down a bit at sag, until it goes past that 100%, where it will want to stand up a little. This basically means the bike is experiencing a form of equilibrium under braking, any braking force at any point in the travel will try to bring it to that 100% mark.
I love this. For ages brands were saying their Enduro bikes were DH bikes you could pedal, but nobody put their money where their mouth was until recently!
trek's new Line MTB grips - cutouts in the lock-on housing to add some cushion is the theory
- Strategic core cut-outs allow for 28% more padding at key touchpoints - Larger tread under palms and smaller at fingers optimizes grip and padding - Softer compound boosts ride feel for the ultimate comfort and control - Intentional left and right tread design follows contours of rider's hands - Made from 80% recycled material - 3mm M4 bolt increases hold and resists stripping - 32mm diameter
very rought astimation on what this would do to the Kinematics of the bike:Blue is the version pirrion is running, pink the productionis high antirise the...
very rought astimation on what this would do to the Kinematics of the bike:
Blue is the version pirrion is running, pink the production
trek's new Line MTB grips - cutouts in the lock-on housing to add some cushion is the theory- Strategic core cut-outs allow for 28% more padding...
trek's new Line MTB grips - cutouts in the lock-on housing to add some cushion is the theory
- Strategic core cut-outs allow for 28% more padding at key touchpoints - Larger tread under palms and smaller at fingers optimizes grip and padding - Softer compound boosts ride feel for the ultimate comfort and control - Intentional left and right tread design follows contours of rider's hands - Made from 80% recycled material - 3mm M4 bolt increases hold and resists stripping - 32mm diameter
trek's new Line MTB grips - cutouts in the lock-on housing to add some cushion is the theory- Strategic core cut-outs allow for 28% more padding...
trek's new Line MTB grips - cutouts in the lock-on housing to add some cushion is the theory
- Strategic core cut-outs allow for 28% more padding at key touchpoints - Larger tread under palms and smaller at fingers optimizes grip and padding - Softer compound boosts ride feel for the ultimate comfort and control - Intentional left and right tread design follows contours of rider's hands - Made from 80% recycled material - 3mm M4 bolt increases hold and resists stripping - 32mm diameter
very rought astimation on what this would do to the Kinematics of the bike:Blue is the version pirrion is running, pink the productionis high antirise the...
very rought astimation on what this would do to the Kinematics of the bike:
Blue is the version pirrion is running, pink the production
To say it plainly, yes. That's why you've been seeing the chainstays on nearly every production DH bike settle on a midpivot. They'll all calculate the...
To say it plainly, yes. That's why you've been seeing the chainstays on nearly every production DH bike settle on a midpivot. They'll all calculate the rider's CG differently, but nearly everyone is chasing high AR numbers at the moment, and the easiest way to do that is to change where the chainstay mounts. In that graph the bike reaches the 100% AR mark at around 40-50% travel, so it'll pack down a bit at sag, until it goes past that 100%, where it will want to stand up a little. This basically means the bike is experiencing a form of equilibrium under braking, any braking force at any point in the travel will try to bring it to that 100% mark.
Sorry I was half sleeping when I first saw the graph and thought it was AS. Personally I just don’t get the high AR, I guess us mortals ride the brakes too much, or at least I do and it makes the shock feel so bad!
I rarely think most modern bikes are actually interesting, some are cool, but not actually interesting. That Rallon is awesome and huge props to Orbea for making something that looks amazing and has features that actually benefit riders.
The bike comes with 3 weights. I applaud the out of the box thinking!
The bike comes with 3 weights. I applaud the out of the box thinking!
Talking about weights, I just ran some numbers from a test I did with and without BB weights. Same trail, no changes besides 1000g on bb. Using Syn data and 6 axis IMU on axles and BB recording 2000 times per second.
1. Rear Axle vertical Acceleration with weight
Positive Acceleration: Decreased by ~1.93%
Negative Acceleration: Decreased by ~3.18%
2. BB frame vertical Acceleration with weight
Positive Acceleration: Decreased by ~0.54%
Negative Acceleration: Decreased by ~5.48%
Yes there’s always negatives to adding weight, but just giving an idea of what I found.
Talking about weights, I just ran some numbers from a test I did with and without BB weights. Same trail, no changes besides 1000g on bb. Using...
Talking about weights, I just ran some numbers from a test I did with and without BB weights. Same trail, no changes besides 1000g on bb. Using Syn data and 6 axis IMU on axles and BB recording 2000 times per second.
1. Rear Axle vertical Acceleration with weight
Positive Acceleration: Decreased by ~1.93%
Negative Acceleration: Decreased by ~3.18%
2. BB frame vertical Acceleration with weight
Positive Acceleration: Decreased by ~0.54%
Negative Acceleration: Decreased by ~5.48%
Yes there’s always negatives to adding weight, but just giving an idea of what I found.
Some def Unno touches to the ID, but all in all a way better looking chassis. If this language carries over to the Occam LT and it loses the headset routing, colour me piqued.
Talking about weights, I just ran some numbers from a test I did with and without BB weights. Same trail, no changes besides 1000g on bb. Using...
Talking about weights, I just ran some numbers from a test I did with and without BB weights. Same trail, no changes besides 1000g on bb. Using Syn data and 6 axis IMU on axles and BB recording 2000 times per second.
1. Rear Axle vertical Acceleration with weight
Positive Acceleration: Decreased by ~1.93%
Negative Acceleration: Decreased by ~3.18%
2. BB frame vertical Acceleration with weight
Positive Acceleration: Decreased by ~0.54%
Negative Acceleration: Decreased by ~5.48%
Yes there’s always negatives to adding weight, but just giving an idea of what I found.
The Tube Tether is currently available for $30 CAD through NWG Outdoor Gear's online store. Every unit is handmade with attention to detail, meaning stock is limited.
The Tube Tether is currently available for $30 CAD through NWG Outdoor Gear's online store. Every unit is handmade with attention to detail, meaning stock is limited.
I remember when these sorts of things were all the rage. I think I have 5-6 of the Dakine tube/tool holders lying around the house. I don't know why I have so many - a couple were giveaways from reps, I found one by a dumpster, I might have even purchased one.
very rought astimation on what this would do to the Kinematics of the bike:
Blue is the version pirrion is running, pink the production
is high antirise the new trend?
https://www.orbea.com/pl-en/equipamiento/spare-parts/cat/shock-brckt-dh…
a lot of stuff for the new Rallon on the Orbea site
New propain tyee just launched about an hour ago.
Interesting to see both Ochain and Trickstuff brakes come as oem. Its this the first bike to come with Trickstuff from factory? I know there was a scott scale in limited numbers if that counts, otherwise I cant think of one.
https://www.propain-bikes.com/en/product/bikes/enduro/tyee-cf/
I would guess that A ) this has something to do with Trickstuff now being owned by DT Swiss, so maybe better distribution/manufacturing potential, and B ) this shows how few 'Factory' models Propain is likely to sell
Edited because I got caught by the B + ) =
, which still crops up on faded-red articles from time to time and I find hilarious that no one seems to check or change that
Do you see a change in Anti rise?
More photos
Yeah I think that too.
We've already seen quite a few bikes now this year that doesnt come with the "full" sram or shimano package. Instead they have started speccing TRP's or Hayes as oem on some bikes. From YT and Spesh for example.
No doubt DT will try to sell these as a package deal with hubs/wheelsets to manufacturers. And if the quality stays despite moving the offices/factory, hopefully more people will get to experience great brakes.
The cover is officially off, Orbea's new Rallon DH and Enduro bike is live - https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/first-ride-revealing-rallon-orbeas-dual-purpose-enduro-and-downhill-machine
Rallon Highlights
- Carbon front & rear triangle // alloy rocker and lower link
- Enduro - mixed wheels or 29-inch // DH - mixed wheels only
- Linkage-driven single pivot design with Orbea's Concentric Boost rear axle pivot
Travel:
- DH - 200mm rear wheel travel // 200mm fork
- Enduro - 170mm rear wheel travel // 180mm fork
- Progressive and linear leverage rate adjustment
- High and low geometry flip chip (enduro models)
- 442mm or 450mm chain stay length
- +/- .75-degree head angle adjustment
- Internal frame storage and water bottle mount
- Optional weights can be added to the lower link (up to 583g DH/550g enduro)
- 148mm boost rear spacing
- Sizes: S-XL
- Enduro builds: E10 - $5,699 // E-TEAM - $7,199 // E-LTD - $9,999
- DH build: D-LTD - $8,299
- Weight (size XL, weights installed): E-LTD - 36.3 lbs (16.5 kg) // D-LTD - 37.1 lbs (16.85 kg)
This is a very elegant solution and makes perfect sense in the economics of product development.
Also the best implementation of a Neo Shock to date. Build a bike with great descending characteristics and use the shock to sort out the climbing.
The bike comes with 3 weights. I applaud the out of the box thinking!
That Rallon is specced with the unreleased XTR M9220 brakes as well.
To say it plainly, yes. That's why you've been seeing the chainstays on nearly every production DH bike settle on a midpivot. They'll all calculate the rider's CG differently, but nearly everyone is chasing high AR numbers at the moment, and the easiest way to do that is to change where the chainstay mounts. In that graph the bike reaches the 100% AR mark at around 40-50% travel, so it'll pack down a bit at sag, until it goes past that 100%, where it will want to stand up a little. This basically means the bike is experiencing a form of equilibrium under braking, any braking force at any point in the travel will try to bring it to that 100% mark.
I love this. For ages brands were saying their Enduro bikes were DH bikes you could pedal, but nobody put their money where their mouth was until recently!
trek's new Line MTB grips - cutouts in the lock-on housing to add some cushion is the theory
- Strategic core cut-outs allow for 28% more padding at key touchpoints
- Larger tread under palms and smaller at fingers optimizes grip and padding
- Softer compound boosts ride feel for the ultimate comfort and control
- Intentional left and right tread design follows contours of rider's hands
- Made from 80% recycled material
- 3mm M4 bolt increases hold and resists stripping
- 32mm diameter
Comp model shown, $14.99 - https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/equipment/bike-accessories/bike-handlebar-grips-tape/bike-handlebar-grips/trek-line-comp-mtb-grip-set/p/48830/?colorCode=greendark_black
since they're not on the bars, they squish a lot more in the video clip
They've run this previously, trying to dig up the photos but can't remember which race in the last 2 years.
Burgtec did this with the ratboy bars and I’d say it definitely makes a difference
That bike is beautiful, huge step up from the previous designs. Hope they make a Rise with this silhouette.
Finally, combining comfort with convenience. I run push ons as lock-on cores feel like more of the bar and only leave a few mm for padding.
Sorry I was half sleeping when I first saw the graph and thought it was AS. Personally I just don’t get the high AR, I guess us mortals ride the brakes too much, or at least I do and it makes the shock feel so bad!
I rarely think most modern bikes are actually interesting, some are cool, but not actually interesting. That Rallon is awesome and huge props to Orbea for making something that looks amazing and has features that actually benefit riders.
@Jason_Schroeder in action on the new Rallon on our insta channel
Talking about weights, I just ran some numbers from a test I did with and without BB weights.
Same trail, no changes besides 1000g on bb. Using Syn data and 6 axis IMU on axles and BB recording 2000 times per second.
1. Rear Axle vertical Acceleration with weight
Positive Acceleration: Decreased by ~1.93%
Negative Acceleration: Decreased by ~3.18%
2. BB frame vertical Acceleration with weight
Positive Acceleration: Decreased by ~0.54%
Negative Acceleration: Decreased by ~5.48%
Yes there’s always negatives to adding weight, but just giving an idea of what I found.
What weights that ??
Some def Unno touches to the ID, but all in all a way better looking chassis. If this language carries over to the Occam LT and it loses the headset routing, colour me piqued.
Scuba diving belt weight from Amazon. They have 500g and 1000g
Sharing @nathan999x press release for their Tube Tether that I think is pretty neat way to carry a tube with a used tube (tube-ception)- https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/press-release/introducing-tube-tether-simple-secure-way-carry-your-spare-tube
The Tube Tether is currently available for $30 CAD through NWG Outdoor Gear's online store. Every unit is handmade with attention to detail, meaning stock is limited.
For more information, visit https://nwgoutdoorgear.square.site/
shipping costs can rack up quick, find a local dive shop.
I remember when these sorts of things were all the rage. I think I have 5-6 of the Dakine tube/tool holders lying around the house. I don't know why I have so many - a couple were giveaways from reps, I found one by a dumpster, I might have even purchased one.