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1/4/2024 11:40pm
New Saint Crank on Jacksons Bike? I believe the old Saints are not direct mount, so no chance to fit an O-Chain?

New Saint Crank on Jacksons Bike? I believe the old Saints are not direct mount, so no chance to fit an O-Chain?

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Yes - in the roller door podcast from SC. They mentioned to have received new prototype Saint cranks in Les Gets / Andora/ Loudenvielle (cannot recal which venue it was). They immediately went to a O chain with the new direct mount.

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1/5/2024 8:45am Edited Date/Time 1/5/2024 8:47am
New Saint Crank on Jacksons Bike? I believe the old Saints are not direct mount, so no chance to fit an O-Chain?

New Saint Crank on Jacksons Bike? I believe the old Saints are not direct mount, so no chance to fit an O-Chain?

IMG 4514

manny.bike wrote:
Yes - in the roller door podcast from SC. They mentioned to have received new prototype Saint cranks in Les Gets / Andora/ Loudenvielle (cannot recal...

Yes - in the roller door podcast from SC. They mentioned to have received new prototype Saint cranks in Les Gets / Andora/ Loudenvielle (cannot recal which venue it was). They immediately went to a O chain with the new direct mount.

I hope this means that Shimano will make a 104BCD spider for their direct mount cranks, as the only ones that are available currently are aliexpress ones, which I wouldn't trust on any crank never mind a downhill spec crank like a Saint. I am assuming there is a reason why there are no good aftermarket options but I'd love to know why, because I know I would buy one if it existed!

Also does anyone have any updates on the upcoming SRAM Maven brakes? They've been out in the wild for ages now, and look to be relatively close to production

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1/5/2024 9:25am Edited Date/Time 1/5/2024 9:25am
New Saint Crank on Jacksons Bike? I believe the old Saints are not direct mount, so no chance to fit an O-Chain?

New Saint Crank on Jacksons Bike? I believe the old Saints are not direct mount, so no chance to fit an O-Chain?

IMG 4514

manny.bike wrote:
Yes - in the roller door podcast from SC. They mentioned to have received new prototype Saint cranks in Les Gets / Andora/ Loudenvielle (cannot recal...

Yes - in the roller door podcast from SC. They mentioned to have received new prototype Saint cranks in Les Gets / Andora/ Loudenvielle (cannot recal which venue it was). They immediately went to a O chain with the new direct mount.

samdaman1 wrote:
I hope this means that Shimano will make a 104BCD spider for their direct mount cranks, as the only ones that are available currently are aliexpress...

I hope this means that Shimano will make a 104BCD spider for their direct mount cranks, as the only ones that are available currently are aliexpress ones, which I wouldn't trust on any crank never mind a downhill spec crank like a Saint. I am assuming there is a reason why there are no good aftermarket options but I'd love to know why, because I know I would buy one if it existed!

Also does anyone have any updates on the upcoming SRAM Maven brakes? They've been out in the wild for ages now, and look to be relatively close to production

I would assume the new direct mount Saint would just use the direct mount chainrings as their other direct mount MTB cranks. Just curious, is there a reason why you would prefer a direct mount crank -> spider -> 104BCD chainring over a direct mount crank -> direct mount chainring?

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1/5/2024 9:37am
manny.bike wrote:
Yes - in the roller door podcast from SC. They mentioned to have received new prototype Saint cranks in Les Gets / Andora/ Loudenvielle (cannot recal...

Yes - in the roller door podcast from SC. They mentioned to have received new prototype Saint cranks in Les Gets / Andora/ Loudenvielle (cannot recal which venue it was). They immediately went to a O chain with the new direct mount.

samdaman1 wrote:
I hope this means that Shimano will make a 104BCD spider for their direct mount cranks, as the only ones that are available currently are aliexpress...

I hope this means that Shimano will make a 104BCD spider for their direct mount cranks, as the only ones that are available currently are aliexpress ones, which I wouldn't trust on any crank never mind a downhill spec crank like a Saint. I am assuming there is a reason why there are no good aftermarket options but I'd love to know why, because I know I would buy one if it existed!

Also does anyone have any updates on the upcoming SRAM Maven brakes? They've been out in the wild for ages now, and look to be relatively close to production

I would assume the new direct mount Saint would just use the direct mount chainrings as their other direct mount MTB cranks. Just curious, is there...

I would assume the new direct mount Saint would just use the direct mount chainrings as their other direct mount MTB cranks. Just curious, is there a reason why you would prefer a direct mount crank -> spider -> 104BCD chainring over a direct mount crank -> direct mount chainring?

It looks better to me than the Shimano direct mount chainrings (subjective but looks do matter to an extent), and it also allows for more options such as very durable steel chainrings like those made by Burgtec, amongst others

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1/5/2024 10:31am

News YT Tues coming on MoiMoiTV 

Screenshot 20240105 192927 YouTube

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1/5/2024 11:24am
News YT Tues coming on MoiMoiTV 

News YT Tues coming on MoiMoiTV 

Screenshot 20240105 192927 YouTube

Due to the fabric being pretty tight you can see some of the linkage. Quite frankly it kind of looks the same. I may be missing something though, I dont exactly have a huge crush on YT frames myself so I dont know them well. 

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1/5/2024 12:43pm

Vorsprung posted an IG blurb about their new rear shock, Shocky McShockface. There's even a picture!

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1/5/2024 12:58pm
manny.bike wrote:
Yes - in the roller door podcast from SC. They mentioned to have received new prototype Saint cranks in Les Gets / Andora/ Loudenvielle (cannot recal...

Yes - in the roller door podcast from SC. They mentioned to have received new prototype Saint cranks in Les Gets / Andora/ Loudenvielle (cannot recal which venue it was). They immediately went to a O chain with the new direct mount.

samdaman1 wrote:
I hope this means that Shimano will make a 104BCD spider for their direct mount cranks, as the only ones that are available currently are aliexpress...

I hope this means that Shimano will make a 104BCD spider for their direct mount cranks, as the only ones that are available currently are aliexpress ones, which I wouldn't trust on any crank never mind a downhill spec crank like a Saint. I am assuming there is a reason why there are no good aftermarket options but I'd love to know why, because I know I would buy one if it existed!

Also does anyone have any updates on the upcoming SRAM Maven brakes? They've been out in the wild for ages now, and look to be relatively close to production

I would assume the new direct mount Saint would just use the direct mount chainrings as their other direct mount MTB cranks. Just curious, is there...

I would assume the new direct mount Saint would just use the direct mount chainrings as their other direct mount MTB cranks. Just curious, is there a reason why you would prefer a direct mount crank -> spider -> 104BCD chainring over a direct mount crank -> direct mount chainring?

I run a hope evo direct mount crank with a hope 104 spider simply for the ease of finding chain rings, also comes with the added benefit of being able to run integrated bash guards

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1/5/2024 1:03pm
pinkrobe wrote:

Vorsprung posted an IG blurb about their new rear shock, Shocky McShockface. There's even a picture!

I’ll help.IMG 5980.jpeg?VersionId=Oqm n8cxeXld

 

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1/5/2024 2:00pm

Finally a damper with ball joint instead of plain bushing.

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1/5/2024 2:46pm
pinkrobe wrote:

Vorsprung posted an IG blurb about their new rear shock, Shocky McShockface. There's even a picture!

Worst post ever 

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1/5/2024 3:07pm
pinkrobe wrote:

Vorsprung posted an IG blurb about their new rear shock, Shocky McShockface. There's even a picture!

Worst post ever 

Nah bro. I’m gonna have to say it’s the “mY rEviEwS aRe gETtiNg deLeTeD” guy.

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1/5/2024 3:17pm
fluider wrote:

Finally a damper with ball joint instead of plain bushing.

Ohlins do something like that already I think, albeit not built in

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Specialized demos had ohlins with spherical bearings in like 2017. I actually went back to traditional bushings as any sort of sideways landing would pop the rose joint out of the eyelet, the shock would then contact the inside of the frame and ruin a carbon one. Good In theory but execution was lacking. Pretty sure geometron do they same in their bikes with EXT’s 

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1/5/2024 7:41pm
pinkrobe wrote:

Vorsprung posted an IG blurb about their new rear shock, Shocky McShockface. There's even a picture!

I’ll help.      

I’ll help.IMG 5980.jpeg?VersionId=Oqm n8cxeXld

 

Is that standard... and trunnion?

 

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1/5/2024 8:54pm
DServy wrote:

Is that standard... and trunnion?

 

Iv'e always said that someone should do that. There was a shock a few pages back with the same set up and people were Sure it was just a prototype thing. Why not just make one part for both? It's not that much extra weight.

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1/5/2024 10:13pm Edited Date/Time 1/5/2024 10:17pm
DServy wrote:

Is that standard... and trunnion?

 

Big Bird wrote:
Iv'e always said that someone should do that. There was a shock a few pages back with the same set up and people were Sure it...

Iv'e always said that someone should do that. There was a shock a few pages back with the same set up and people were Sure it was just a prototype thing. Why not just make one part for both? It's not that much extra weight.

Some bikes could in theory have clearance issues putting both standard and trunnion in. Part of the reason why trunnion exists in the first place.

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1/5/2024 10:19pm
DServy wrote:

Is that standard... and trunnion?

 

Big Bird wrote:
Iv'e always said that someone should do that. There was a shock a few pages back with the same set up and people were Sure it...

Iv'e always said that someone should do that. There was a shock a few pages back with the same set up and people were Sure it was just a prototype thing. Why not just make one part for both? It's not that much extra weight.

Some bikes could in theory have clearance issues putting both standard and trunnion in. Part of the reason why trunnion exists in the first place.

This, I would wager most bikes that run trunnion would have clearance issues. The Float X, when released, caused major issues for frame manufactures even in its traditional mounting form. 

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1/5/2024 10:40pm
Big Bird wrote:
Iv'e always said that someone should do that. There was a shock a few pages back with the same set up and people were Sure it...

Iv'e always said that someone should do that. There was a shock a few pages back with the same set up and people were Sure it was just a prototype thing. Why not just make one part for both? It's not that much extra weight.

Few pages back it was the very same shock. And the reason why others don't do that is the reason why trunion BS was created in the first place, there is not enough space. If you want to have all the extra shock length sitting there for no reason whatsoever, feel free but it makes no sense.

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1/5/2024 10:43pm Edited Date/Time 1/6/2024 5:02am
brash wrote:
Specialized demos had ohlins with spherical bearings in like 2017. I actually went back to traditional bushings as any sort of sideways landing would pop the...

Specialized demos had ohlins with spherical bearings in like 2017. I actually went back to traditional bushings as any sort of sideways landing would pop the rose joint out of the eyelet, the shock would then contact the inside of the frame and ruin a carbon one. Good In theory but execution was lacking. Pretty sure geometron do they same in their bikes with EXT’s 

The list of shocks that historically used ball joints: cane creek DB, ohlins ttx, push 11/6, ext storia for G1, even though I'm positive that you can ask them to build one for other frames as well.

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1/5/2024 10:47pm
DServy wrote:

Is that standard... and trunnion?

 

Big Bird wrote:
Iv'e always said that someone should do that. There was a shock a few pages back with the same set up and people were Sure it...

Iv'e always said that someone should do that. There was a shock a few pages back with the same set up and people were Sure it was just a prototype thing. Why not just make one part for both? It's not that much extra weight.

On Bike And Big Ideas podcast steve from Vorsprung confirmed that the 2 mounts on 1 shock were from proto reasons. Good podcast, they talk about many details.

Twin tube design

HSC, HSC, Reb, hydraulic bottom control 

Rubber top out bumper

lock out

 

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1/6/2024 12:01am

Since when is the new 2024 Fox 38 Upgrade available in the forks?

Do aftermarket forks have this upgrade or will they get it later this year?

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1/6/2024 8:26am
Since when is the new 2024 Fox 38 Upgrade available in the forks? Do aftermarket forks have this upgrade or will they get it later this...

Since when is the new 2024 Fox 38 Upgrade available in the forks?

Do aftermarket forks have this upgrade or will they get it later this year?

2024 forks will have the new damper upgrades. Fox has it detailed here - https://www.ridefox.com/fox17/help.php?m=bike&id=2880.

Not sure when aftermarket forks will go on sale, Fox seems to be clearing 2022/23 inventory still. However the new 2024 cartridges are available in some countries.

S4 has them in Canada (https://s4suspension.com/products/fox-grip2-cartridge?variant=403502483…) and I know you can have your LBS order from Fox in the USA.

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1/6/2024 9:38am
pinkrobe wrote:

Vorsprung posted an IG blurb about their new rear shock, Shocky McShockface. There's even a picture!

Worst post ever 

Nah bro. I’m gonna have to say it’s the “mY rEviEwS aRe gETtiNg deLeTeD” guy.

I'm gonna call it a draw,

Making a post, about a new product, and letting us know theres a pic, without actually including the pic is.......GodDamnIt.

 

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1/6/2024 10:34am

Not sure how this fits into the ''Innovation'' part of the topic, but anyways: Fox showing up at A1 (Supercross) with a one-piece suit for one of their riders. Apparently there's no immediate plans for production. And for those wondering, there's supposed to be an opening/closure right around where rider's names are usually placed on the jersey back to enter these suits.

Perhaps one of the Fox Mtb athletes will rock up at the first WC with one of these?

JpzNHaL

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Nicely cropped so whiskeythrottlemedia and Sven Martin (squidsontour) get no credit for that shot 

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1/6/2024 10:54am
Sven_Claas wrote:
Not sure how this fits into the ''Innovation'' part of the topic, but anyways: Fox showing up at A1 (Supercross) with a one-piece suit for one...

Not sure how this fits into the ''Innovation'' part of the topic, but anyways: Fox showing up at A1 (Supercross) with a one-piece suit for one of their riders. Apparently there's no immediate plans for production. And for those wondering, there's supposed to be an opening/closure right around where rider's names are usually placed on the jersey back to enter these suits.

Perhaps one of the Fox Mtb athletes will rock up at the first WC with one of these?

JpzNHaL

The UCI doesn't allow one piece suits in DH. So not likely. 

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1/6/2024 10:54am

Not sure if this fits here or in the team rumours - Orange bikes has gone into administration!

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1/6/2024 10:56am
Sven_Claas wrote:
Not sure how this fits into the ''Innovation'' part of the topic, but anyways: Fox showing up at A1 (Supercross) with a one-piece suit for one...

Not sure how this fits into the ''Innovation'' part of the topic, but anyways: Fox showing up at A1 (Supercross) with a one-piece suit for one of their riders. Apparently there's no immediate plans for production. And for those wondering, there's supposed to be an opening/closure right around where rider's names are usually placed on the jersey back to enter these suits.

Perhaps one of the Fox Mtb athletes will rock up at the first WC with one of these?

JpzNHaL

Makes a lot of sense for pros as it can be tailored to them and it's lighter and more aero, but I can't see it selling well to consumers in the current market 

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