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PJ205 4/3/2022 3:55pm
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Werewolflotion wrote:
Forgive me if I'm late to the party here, but it's chonky b/c of the frame storage, a first for SC no?
No, look at the current Bronson V4. I recently heard that they aren't chonky for no reason... supposedly were going to get in-frame storage as well, but couldn't get it done before production hit. Also heard chonky to make their entire line look similar, but who knows. All that we do know for sure is that SC frames have gone the way of the chonk.
jofish 4/3/2022 4:24pm
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Some funny shaping going on on that seat stay. And it doesn't look like they've managed to tidy up that weird blend between the seat stay and (what is the tube joining the seat stay and chain stay called 🤷‍♂️?) You would really expect these frames to be surfaced to an automotive level at this price.

I'm sure there's also been plenty of chat on here before about brands moving towards chonky choobz on regular bikes to try and normalise the look of their e-bikes.


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mfoga 4/3/2022 6:52pm
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Wait Santa Cruz adding in frame storage?
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baronKanon 4/3/2022 9:44pm
4/3/2022 9:44pm
Putting my tin foil hat on: chunky downtubes are there for us to accept the looks of ebikes..

Tinfoil hat off.
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RiderMikeCheck1 4/3/2022 10:15pm
4/3/2022 10:15pm
I think the comments on the chonky downtubes being partially to condition people for e-bikes is totally a part of what's going on. They're making larger downtubes for batteries and storage. Bikes looks similar. Look at Stumpy EVO.... lots of people think its an ebike.
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DonutMTB 4/4/2022 12:18am
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Looks like the tracer is just about here. Found these on the other site.


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Primoz 4/4/2022 12:32am
4/4/2022 12:32am Edited Date/Time 4/4/2022 12:40am
Primoz wrote:
That downtube is CHONKY!
chriskief wrote:
Could just be the size (frame looks very small), but the shock appears to be mounted much lower than the current version. Notice the cables are...
Could just be the size (frame looks very small), but the shock appears to be mounted much lower than the current version. Notice the cables are exiting next to the shock mount rather than below it.





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Really curious to see how it rides compared to the V1! That's what I am most excited about. I'm wondering if that flatter orientation will help...
Really curious to see how it rides compared to the V1! That's what I am most excited about. I'm wondering if that flatter orientation will help with the action of the shock/kinematics, as I noticed that my V1 seems to get hung up in certain situations. Was speaking to a former SC sponsored rider just recently who said he had the same exact issues that I do with his MT V1, but I still love this bike. Also worried that the eye-to-eye is going to dramatically change and the DHX2 from my V1 won't fit on the v2, even if I remove or add spacers. Guess we'll see more info VERY soon.
The ETE can only drastically change if they are going to a 210 mm ETE shock (like the Hightower, I think that's a safe no) or to a 250 mm ETE shock. Which I'd hazard a guess it's also a no, given those are DH shocks given the stroke.

It makes sense to keep the 230 mm ETE and maybe go for a longer stroke (up to 65 mm) as the V1 is on a 57,5 mm stroke if I'm not mistaken.

If nothing very surprising happens, a shock transfer will require a full service to remove the travel spacer and a retune at most I'd say.

EDIT: one way out would be to use a 225 mm ETE trunnion shock, but we can see that's not the case.
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Primoz 4/4/2022 12:35am
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jofish wrote:
Some funny shaping going on on that seat stay. And it doesn't look like they've managed to tidy up that weird blend between the seat stay...
Some funny shaping going on on that seat stay. And it doesn't look like they've managed to tidy up that weird blend between the seat stay and (what is the tube joining the seat stay and chain stay called 🤷‍♂️?) You would really expect these frames to be surfaced to an automotive level at this price.

I'm sure there's also been plenty of chat on here before about brands moving towards chonky choobz on regular bikes to try and normalise the look of their e-bikes.


The brace? Tongue

What I'm more interested in is how you get the shock out of there, is there a cutaway in the brace for you to be able to reach the bolt?
jofish 4/4/2022 12:49am
4/4/2022 12:49am
Primoz wrote:
The brace? :P What I'm more interested in is how you get the shock out of there, is there a cutaway in the brace for you...
The brace? Tongue

What I'm more interested in is how you get the shock out of there, is there a cutaway in the brace for you to be able to reach the bolt?
On my V2 Hightower they’ve shaped the BRACE (thanks) on the non drive side so that you can squeeze an Allen key in there. But might also be that you just need to remove the top shock bolt first?
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PJ205 4/4/2022 5:17am
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Primoz wrote:
The ETE can only drastically change if they are going to a 210 mm ETE shock (like the Hightower, I think that's a safe no) or...
The ETE can only drastically change if they are going to a 210 mm ETE shock (like the Hightower, I think that's a safe no) or to a 250 mm ETE shock. Which I'd hazard a guess it's also a no, given those are DH shocks given the stroke.

It makes sense to keep the 230 mm ETE and maybe go for a longer stroke (up to 65 mm) as the V1 is on a 57,5 mm stroke if I'm not mistaken.

If nothing very surprising happens, a shock transfer will require a full service to remove the travel spacer and a retune at most I'd say.

EDIT: one way out would be to use a 225 mm ETE trunnion shock, but we can see that's not the case.
Luckily the travel spacers on DHX2s are removable using just an allen key. I bought a 230x60 DHX2 to use with my Cascade link to achieve 170mm in the rear, and apparently the 230x60 is the same exact shock as a 230x65, just with 5mm of travel spacers connected. I'll be happy if the stock shock is 230x65 at the most, but it looks like it'll still require a new 25x8 bushing at the top eyelet instead of 20x8 because of the chonky new frame changes (see the increase in bushing size for the new Bronson."

https://www.mtbr.com/threads/fox-dhx2-travel-spacers.1184386/
https://www.ridefox.com/fox17/help.php?m=bike&id=1100
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Primoz 4/4/2022 6:08am
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With Rock Shox it's either a large diameter plastic spacer inside the air chamber or a plastic spacer under the bumper on the shaft for the coil shock. People have snipped the latter off, but going back does require a service...
Faster Than U 4/4/2022 7:16am
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RiderMikeCheck1 wrote:
I think the comments on the chonky downtubes being partially to condition people for e-bikes is totally a part of what's going on. They're making larger...
I think the comments on the chonky downtubes being partially to condition people for e-bikes is totally a part of what's going on. They're making larger downtubes for batteries and storage. Bikes looks similar. Look at Stumpy EVO.... lots of people think its an ebike.
That may be true, but I think it’s stupid, it looks like shit and probably adds a bunch of unnecessary weight. So I definitely wouldn’t buy one. It’s obviously necessary for ebikes, so it’s understandable for them though.
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metadave 4/4/2022 8:24am
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I'm digging the brown Tracer.
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Primoz 4/4/2022 8:46am
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RiderMikeCheck1 wrote:
I think the comments on the chonky downtubes being partially to condition people for e-bikes is totally a part of what's going on. They're making larger...
I think the comments on the chonky downtubes being partially to condition people for e-bikes is totally a part of what's going on. They're making larger downtubes for batteries and storage. Bikes looks similar. Look at Stumpy EVO.... lots of people think its an ebike.
Faster Than U wrote:
That may be true, but I think it’s stupid, it looks like shit and probably adds a bunch of unnecessary weight. So I definitely wouldn’t buy...
That may be true, but I think it’s stupid, it looks like shit and probably adds a bunch of unnecessary weight. So I definitely wouldn’t buy one. It’s obviously necessary for ebikes, so it’s understandable for them though.
The second moment of area (the bending stiffness characteristic) for a thin tube (it's safe to assume a carbon composite downtube of a MTB as a thin walled tube...) in a round cross section is pi*r^3*t. As in the cube of the radius of the tube and it's thickness.

Increasing the thickness will greatly increase the stiffness, much more so than the thickness of the tube. For example, to double the bending stiffness of a round tube, you need to increase the radius/diameter by 25 % at the same thickness, netting you roughly 25 % more material to achieve that. Or you'd need to double the thickness, roughly doubling the amount of material you need.

There is the cross section area, the strength of material and the stress/strain situation in those wall to take into account too, but the gist of it is chonky tubes don't necessarily mean a lot of weight. It depends on the thickness as well.
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PJ205 4/4/2022 8:54am
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metadave wrote:
I'm digging the brown Tracer.
Yep, those new Tracer's look great! Nice builds and cool features. Heard that they're really sluggish to pedal around, but insane everywhere else.
Christiaan_van der Laan 4/4/2022 9:05am
4/4/2022 9:05am
metadave wrote:
I'm digging the brown Tracer.
PJ205 wrote:
Yep, those new Tracer's look great! Nice builds and cool features. Heard that they're really sluggish to pedal around, but insane everywhere else.
Really? Not a fan, aleays these aweful graphics, and why the opening for the storage on thr bottom of the downtube? Where all the mud crap etc hits
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Price is really good for the current market too
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dolface 4/4/2022 10:12am
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Looks like YAR (Yet Another Rocker) on the the Intense proto?

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TimBud 4/4/2022 10:19am
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Why is that a such a bad thing?
Specialized, Santa Cruz, Commencal (etc) do it all the time for their racers
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metadave 4/4/2022 10:35am
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metadave wrote:
I'm digging the brown Tracer.
PJ205 wrote:
Yep, those new Tracer's look great! Nice builds and cool features. Heard that they're really sluggish to pedal around, but insane everywhere else.
Christiaan_van der Laan wrote:
Really? Not a fan, aleays these aweful graphics, and why the opening for the storage on thr bottom of the downtube? Where all the mud crap...
Really? Not a fan, aleays these aweful graphics, and why the opening for the storage on thr bottom of the downtube? Where all the mud crap etc hits
I'm more worried about what it will do for me than the graphics. I usually hate how all my bikes look until I get a few wide eyed moments on them and they help me pull out of it, then I'm into them. I hated the way my current Slayer looked for the first month, now I can't wait until my new one comes in.

That Tracer looks all utility and a good times. Like they went for all the pieces in the right places rather than smooth lines and hidden moving parts. Plus I'm not looking at the bike when things get rough, but I do like a good tan brown.
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jofish 4/4/2022 1:15pm
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metadave wrote:
I'm more worried about what it will do for me than the graphics. I usually hate how all my bikes look until I get a few...
I'm more worried about what it will do for me than the graphics. I usually hate how all my bikes look until I get a few wide eyed moments on them and they help me pull out of it, then I'm into them. I hated the way my current Slayer looked for the first month, now I can't wait until my new one comes in.

That Tracer looks all utility and a good times. Like they went for all the pieces in the right places rather than smooth lines and hidden moving parts. Plus I'm not looking at the bike when things get rough, but I do like a good tan brown.
In general I agree but that storage under the downtube is unforgivable.
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Dickscruttock 4/4/2022 2:00pm
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Primoz wrote:
With Rock Shox it's either a large diameter plastic spacer inside the air chamber or a plastic spacer under the bumper on the shaft for the...
With Rock Shox it's either a large diameter plastic spacer inside the air chamber or a plastic spacer under the bumper on the shaft for the coil shock. People have snipped the latter off, but going back does require a service...
The end eye on the coil RS Super Deluxe coil can be removed and replaced without the need to rebuild it.
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lickmycrinkle 4/4/2022 2:24pm
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dolface wrote:
Looks like YAR (Yet Another Rocker) on the the Intense proto? [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/04/04/12349/s1200_Screen_Shot_2022_04_04_at_10.10.06_AM.jpg[/img]
Looks like YAR (Yet Another Rocker) on the the Intense proto?

It's almost like they're discovering forces weren't meant to be transferred like that.
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dolface 4/4/2022 3:26pm
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lickmycrinkle wrote:
It's almost like they're discovering forces weren't meant to be transferred like that.
Better pic from Joe's stories


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peecee 4/5/2022 4:06am
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lickmycrinkle wrote:
It's almost like they're discovering forces weren't meant to be transferred like that.
dolface wrote:
Better pic from Joe's stories [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/04/04/12350/s1200_Screen_Shot_2022_04_04_at_3.24.52_PM.jpg[/img]
Better pic from Joe's stories


Intense should maybe contact cascade components maybe get something made that doesn't look like its been found in the back of the workshop
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nollak 4/5/2022 4:24am
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lickmycrinkle wrote:
It's almost like they're discovering forces weren't meant to be transferred like that.
dolface wrote:
Better pic from Joe's stories [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/04/04/12350/s1200_Screen_Shot_2022_04_04_at_3.24.52_PM.jpg[/img]
Better pic from Joe's stories


peecee wrote:
Intense should maybe contact cascade components maybe get something made that doesn't look like its been found in the back of the workshop
I'm no big Intense fan in any way but why should they bother. I mean the frames arrived late at the riders and they need time on them. So I guess a quick turnaround time for new parts is better than having those look refined.

And to be honest that thing looks a bit hideous but looks properly machined.
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Christiaan_van der Laan 4/5/2022 6:45am
4/5/2022 6:45am
Anyone have any inside info on Megatower 2 release date? I was hoping today, but nothing so far……
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Brian_Peterson 4/5/2022 7:17am
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Christiaan_van der Laan wrote:
Anyone have any inside info on Megatower 2 release date? I was hoping today, but nothing so far……
I believe a lot of releases are being pushed back to try and have bikes available when then info hits the web.
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bermslapper69 4/5/2022 8:15am
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Christiaan_van der Laan wrote:
Anyone have any inside info on Megatower 2 release date? I was hoping today, but nothing so far……
They might be waiting till sea otter
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krabo83 4/5/2022 8:18am
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Christiaan_van der Laan wrote:
Anyone have any inside info on Megatower 2 release date? I was hoping today, but nothing so far……
May is what i heard.
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