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brash 12/11/2020 3:25am
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That pivot looks higher than snoop Dogg.
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ORTOGONAL555 12/11/2020 3:27am
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It's a Forbidden, not a norco.
Badges are similar.
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Primoz 12/11/2020 5:14am
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Nope.
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madsam9 12/11/2020 6:39am
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I think it's a Forbidden too, I watched the story and the seat tube looks a lot like a Druid one and more importantly it looks much different compared to the Norco downhill/super enduro/whatever prototype we saw earlier this summer.
Poleczechy 12/11/2020 8:28am
12/11/2020 8:28am Edited Date/Time 12/11/2020 8:28am
Mafflin wrote:
Santa Cruz website now. So I guess nomad is coming very soon. [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2020/12/10/10160/s1200_Screenshot_from_2020_12_10_18_27_15.jpg[/img] And the filename is "my21_hero_nomad3.jpg".
Santa Cruz website now. So I guess nomad is coming very soon.



And the filename is "my21_hero_nomad3.jpg".
SC is promoting this bike with digital ads on the Vital homepage now. Still not sure what the angle is but I did find the bike: http://dirtynomad.com/gear-rant-santa-cruz-nomad-3-review/


Werewolflotion 12/11/2020 1:47pm
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madsam9 wrote:
I think it's a Forbidden too, I watched the story and the seat tube looks a lot like a Druid one [i]and[/i] more importantly it looks...
I think it's a Forbidden too, I watched the story and the seat tube looks a lot like a Druid one and more importantly it looks much different compared to the Norco downhill/super enduro/whatever prototype we saw earlier this summer.
That's my vote, based on norco's minimalist/painted badges of late. Def looks way more like a Forbidden badge.
ORTOGONAL555 12/11/2020 3:42pm
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Nope.
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Primoz 12/12/2020 2:46am
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Yeah, might have been a bit too quick to dismiss it. The angles of the photos are such to make the forbidden fit as well without showing any details clearly enough to be able to quickly differentiate between the two. Quite the opposite, it makes it seem like it's the norce at a quick glance (seems like the shock is hidden inside the frame, while it's actually not).
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BBaldwin 12/12/2020 10:55am
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ufka_pen15 wrote:
interesting bike/enduro/all mountain from norco in magnus mansons story: [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2020/12/11/10163/s1200_pic1.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2020/12/11/10164/s1200_pic2.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2020/12/11/10162/s1200_pic3.jpg[/img]
interesting bike/enduro/all mountain from norco in magnus mansons story:



That’s 100% a forbidden you can tell by the way the shock is mounted, the shape of the top tube and swing arm.
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peecee 12/12/2020 12:39pm
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bermslapper69 wrote:
Error 404
They clearly made a mistake and took it down but google imageswill always hold onto that info


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Leo Molloy wrote:
If my memory serves me correctly. I think a patent lawyer had a proper look at the Shimano patent and concluded that they were only patenting...
If my memory serves me correctly. I think a patent lawyer had a proper look at the Shimano patent and concluded that they were only patenting the low friction lubricant. So the 14 speed gearbox functioned as an example use case not the idea.
Really? Excellent so they might still be working on something that doesn’t look so shit?
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JayDawger 12/12/2020 2:36pm
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New Nomad being released Tuesday.... 650b and apparently it's the real deal from a reviewer.
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EugenM 12/12/2020 2:44pm
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JayDawger wrote:
New Nomad being released Tuesday.... 650b and apparently it's the real deal from a reviewer.
Most of the new bikes are the real deal. As for the new nomad, I lost interest at 650b.
Now let's see that Nuke, that Norco, that Forbidden, that Cannondale...etc-etc. SC can go and shove up their $$$es 180mm 650bs.
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LLLLL 12/12/2020 3:05pm
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JayDawger wrote:
New Nomad being released Tuesday.... 650b and apparently it's the real deal from a reviewer.
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Most of the new bikes are the real deal. As for the new nomad, I lost interest at 650b. Now let's see that Nuke, that Norco...
Most of the new bikes are the real deal. As for the new nomad, I lost interest at 650b.
Now let's see that Nuke, that Norco, that Forbidden, that Cannondale...etc-etc. SC can go and shove up their $$$es 180mm 650bs.
You could just take the mega tower ?
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nikos023 12/12/2020 9:54pm
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Sonofbovril2 12/12/2020 10:07pm
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Who could have guessed it would have a 38/zeb with the current SC suspension design rolling on reserve wheels... but probably 10mm longer, 1 degree slacker and 10% more progression with a slightly steeper seat angle?
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madsam9 12/12/2020 10:41pm
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Size specific chainstays lengths! Noice
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Primoz 12/13/2020 12:18am
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Sonofbovril2 wrote:
Who could have guessed it would have a 38/zeb with the current SC suspension design rolling on reserve wheels... but probably 10mm longer, 1 degree slacker...
Who could have guessed it would have a 38/zeb with the current SC suspension design rolling on reserve wheels... but probably 10mm longer, 1 degree slacker and 10% more progression with a slightly steeper seat angle?
That's what I thought, which part of this looks new?
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Sonofbovril2 wrote:
Who could have guessed it would have a 38/zeb with the current SC suspension design rolling on reserve wheels... but probably 10mm longer, 1 degree slacker...
Who could have guessed it would have a 38/zeb with the current SC suspension design rolling on reserve wheels... but probably 10mm longer, 1 degree slacker and 10% more progression with a slightly steeper seat angle?
Primoz wrote:
That's what I thought, which part of this looks new?
that headtube area looks super ugly compared to the nomad4, like the 5010. all my opinion of course Wink geo looks on point, but 1mm adjustment on the chainstays is a joke :D
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Primoz 12/13/2020 12:42am
12/13/2020 12:42am Edited Date/Time 12/13/2020 12:43am
It's probably the result of a flip chip on the sock altering the leverage curve or something like that. Making the chainstays adjustable by 1 mm does not in fact make any sense. I doubt most riders would notice anything less than a 20, maybe even 30 mm change in chainstay length.

EDIT: yeah, checked the chart (didn't before as it was on the previous page), it's a high/low thing, so the result of a flipchip to lower and raise the BB apparently.
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jason.west.750 12/13/2020 12:46am
12/13/2020 12:46am Edited Date/Time 12/13/2020 12:49am
My fancy isnt being tickled with this new Nomad release. But whatever, I'm sure they will sell a million of them no matter how it costs. And a lot it does
bulletbass man 12/13/2020 5:15am
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Sonofbovril2 wrote:
Who could have guessed it would have a 38/zeb with the current SC suspension design rolling on reserve wheels... but probably 10mm longer, 1 degree slacker...
Who could have guessed it would have a 38/zeb with the current SC suspension design rolling on reserve wheels... but probably 10mm longer, 1 degree slacker and 10% more progression with a slightly steeper seat angle?
Primoz wrote:
That's what I thought, which part of this looks new?
Did they need to change much?
jive turkey 12/13/2020 6:56am
12/13/2020 6:56am Edited Date/Time 12/13/2020 7:38am
Sonofbovril2 wrote:
Who could have guessed it would have a 38/zeb with the current SC suspension design rolling on reserve wheels... but probably 10mm longer, 1 degree slacker...
Who could have guessed it would have a 38/zeb with the current SC suspension design rolling on reserve wheels... but probably 10mm longer, 1 degree slacker and 10% more progression with a slightly steeper seat angle?
Primoz wrote:
That's what I thought, which part of this looks new?
Dual uprights on the rear triangle. Size specific chainstay lengths. You seem to have some animosity towards Santa Cruz. They are not nearly as exclusive as you have made them out to be in your mind.

When a bike is launched that doesn’t fit my needs or is from a brand I’m not crazy about, I don’t rag on it online. I just don’t purchase it.


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EugenM 12/13/2020 7:09am
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bulletbass man wrote:
Did they need to change much?
Mullet.
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LLLLL 12/13/2020 7:47am
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nikos023 wrote:
Sonofbovril2 wrote:
Who could have guessed it would have a 38/zeb with the current SC suspension design rolling on reserve wheels... but probably 10mm longer, 1 degree slacker...
Who could have guessed it would have a 38/zeb with the current SC suspension design rolling on reserve wheels... but probably 10mm longer, 1 degree slacker and 10% more progression with a slightly steeper seat angle?
Sounds amazing 😻
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Primoz 12/13/2020 9:43am
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jive turkey wrote:
Dual uprights on the rear triangle. Size specific chainstay lengths. You seem to have some animosity towards Santa Cruz. They are not nearly as exclusive as...
Dual uprights on the rear triangle. Size specific chainstay lengths. You seem to have some animosity towards Santa Cruz. They are not nearly as exclusive as you have made them out to be in your mind.

When a bike is launched that doesn’t fit my needs or is from a brand I’m not crazy about, I don’t rag on it online. I just don’t purchase it.


Point on the dual uprights on the rear... But anywho, were the exclusivity comments aimed at me?
Sonofbovril2 12/13/2020 10:31am
12/13/2020 10:31am Edited Date/Time 12/13/2020 10:33am
Sonofbovril2 wrote:
Who could have guessed it would have a 38/zeb with the current SC suspension design rolling on reserve wheels... but probably 10mm longer, 1 degree slacker...
Who could have guessed it would have a 38/zeb with the current SC suspension design rolling on reserve wheels... but probably 10mm longer, 1 degree slacker and 10% more progression with a slightly steeper seat angle?
Primoz wrote:
That's what I thought, which part of this looks new?
jive turkey wrote:
Dual uprights on the rear triangle. Size specific chainstay lengths. You seem to have some animosity towards Santa Cruz. They are not nearly as exclusive as...
Dual uprights on the rear triangle. Size specific chainstay lengths. You seem to have some animosity towards Santa Cruz. They are not nearly as exclusive as you have made them out to be in your mind.

When a bike is launched that doesn’t fit my needs or is from a brand I’m not crazy about, I don’t rag on it online. I just don’t purchase it.


I’m not ragging on it, I’m just a bit disappointed because the nomad has always been a bit of an iconic bike and SC has just given this new version the face-lift treatment, but then again, I guess V3 nomad was the big move across to the new platform and they’ve got to get some mileage out of it...

Also whatever happens to the Nomad tends to flow downhill to the rest of the models which in this case doesn’t really give me much to look forward too
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