EWS Doping Thread Disappearance

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Wasn't it confirmed that they were positive? What is the case then?

If the EWS is removed from the matter, do they get a ban (if they do get a ban) for only French rounds? Or what?

This is all very confusing and a 'we wash our hands of this matter' kind of reaction. Not the best one i'd say.
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Primoz wrote:
Wasn't it confirmed that they were positive? What is the case then? If the EWS is removed from the matter, do they get a ban (if...
Wasn't it confirmed that they were positive? What is the case then?

If the EWS is removed from the matter, do they get a ban (if they do get a ban) for only French rounds? Or what?

This is all very confusing and a 'we wash our hands of this matter' kind of reaction. Not the best one i'd say.
The EWS did not say they are "washing their hands of this matter." They said they are not part of the investigation. In any case of cheating, the EWS is as much a victim as the cheated athletes, therefore, it would be wrong for a victim to be an active part of the investigation.

They didn't say they won't do anything about this doping incident either, they said they will wait for the investigation to be completed before they make a decision, basing this on an athlete's right to due process. Due process is an intensive effort to find all pertinent facts of an incident and make a judgement based on those facts instead of emotions. Due process is the only true way to have justice. Any other way opens up the possibility of corruption, and therefore, negative impacts on the innocent.
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But isn't it normal for an athlete to receive a temporary ban for during the investigation, when he/she tests positive? I'm not that well versed in these things, but cmon, proven that you're positive and still be able to race? You're guilty and it's on you to prove that you're not (by giving a reason for allowed use or something along those lines), surely you shouldn't be allowed to race in the meantime??
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3/12/2019 1:47pm
Primoz wrote:
But isn't it normal for an athlete to receive a temporary ban for during the investigation, when he/she tests positive? I'm not that well versed in...
But isn't it normal for an athlete to receive a temporary ban for during the investigation, when he/she tests positive? I'm not that well versed in these things, but cmon, proven that you're positive and still be able to race? You're guilty and it's on you to prove that you're not (by giving a reason for allowed use or something along those lines), surely you shouldn't be allowed to race in the meantime??
They tested positive for a 'specified substance', which means that they are allowed to race until a decision is made. It's the same situation that Chris Froome was in last year.
https://www.wada-ama.org/en/questions-answers/prohibited-list-qa#item-3…
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Ah, that explains it. I take some of what i said back then.
3/12/2019 2:42pm Edited Date/Time 3/12/2019 2:43pm
According to Pinkbike Rude won’t be racing at the start of this season despite being able to race. FWIW.

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3/12/2019 5:02pm
According to Pinkbike Rude won’t be racing at the start of this season despite being able to race. FWIW.

There is no better way for Rude to get the public back behind him than choose to not race until the investigation is finished and sanctions are made.
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The problem is that if he races any suspension would start effective with his last race... So, if WADA announced a 1 year suspension, it would start with the EWS finals last year..

But, at the pace WADA moves at, Richie could race and possibly be retired by the time a penalty is announced...
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The problem is that if he races any suspension would start effective with his last race... So, if WADA announced a 1 year suspension, it would...
The problem is that if he races any suspension would start effective with his last race... So, if WADA announced a 1 year suspension, it would start with the EWS finals last year..

But, at the pace WADA moves at, Richie could race and possibly be retired by the time a penalty is announced...

3/13/2019 8:56am
With the admission by both riders that they failed the drugs tests, EWS should have taken this and banned them from racing. This should be a life time ban and send the correct message. As it stands, they are saying it’s ok to use banned substances.

It says a lot about those that run the EWS. Weak as piss!
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With the admission by both riders that they failed the drugs tests, EWS should have taken this and banned them from racing. This should be a...
With the admission by both riders that they failed the drugs tests, EWS should have taken this and banned them from racing. This should be a life time ban and send the correct message. As it stands, they are saying it’s ok to use banned substances.

It says a lot about those that run the EWS. Weak as piss!
I think this is the EWS politely saying "Shit or get off the pot.." WADA has a long history of people waiting for a penalty to be handed down.. 1 years, 2 years, lifetime... Whatever it is, stop stone walling these people so they can get on with their lives...
3/13/2019 11:54am
According to Pinkbike Rude won’t be racing at the start of this season despite being able to race. FWIW.

It's strange that Pinkbike did not cite why Rude has oted not to race Rotorua. We don't know if it's because of the doping scandal or for some other reason.
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The problem is that if he races any suspension would start effective with his last race... So, if WADA announced a 1 year suspension, it would...
The problem is that if he races any suspension would start effective with his last race... So, if WADA announced a 1 year suspension, it would start with the EWS finals last year..

But, at the pace WADA moves at, Richie could race and possibly be retired by the time a penalty is announced...
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[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2019/03/13/7823/s1200_685d63c091739c08df91fbc8375ae119.jpg[/img]

EXACTLY - Look at Broc Tickle's case on the moto side. He tested positive at the San Diego supercross over a year ago ans STILL has not received a hearing date.
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scootch wrote:
EXACTLY - Look at Broc Tickle's case on the moto side. He tested positive at the San Diego supercross over a year ago ans [b]STILL[/b] has...
EXACTLY - Look at Broc Tickle's case on the moto side. He tested positive at the San Diego supercross over a year ago ans STILL has not received a hearing date.
And Cade Clausson was even further back... And he had a TUE that he sent in... Yet, nobody at the FIM or WADA will respond...
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Not that the first EWS round is finished, any photos allowed from the doping control station or would the EWS ask that no photos be taken to avoid outing any potential cheats?
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rugbyred wrote:
Not that the first EWS round is finished, any photos allowed from the doping control station or would the EWS ask that no photos be taken...
Not that the first EWS round is finished, any photos allowed from the doping control station or would the EWS ask that no photos be taken to avoid outing any potential cheats?
Having your photo taken doesn’t imply guilt. Testing is normal in uci events.
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I think the catch here is that 'two athletes tested positive thing' with no names, but there was the picture of five guys being tested floating around. The speculation of who was positive started there.
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rugbyred wrote:
Not that the first EWS round is finished, any photos allowed from the doping control station or would the EWS ask that no photos be taken...
Not that the first EWS round is finished, any photos allowed from the doping control station or would the EWS ask that no photos be taken to avoid outing any potential cheats?
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Having your photo taken doesn’t imply guilt. Testing is normal in uci events.
I do realize that. It is as Primoz mentions.
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Ah I see I missed that thought. Testing is going to be a lot less taboo in enduro now though. I was trying to find good #’s but the best I could find is that in 2017, federations, organizations, and etc. that use accredited WADA labs conducted 1896 in competition urine or blood tests. This means the test was done while the racer was at the race. That # doesn’t specify disciplines, it was an umbrella mountain bike category, but up until now I’m sure it was mostly XCO, XCM, and DH.

Can anyone who was present at Rotorua comment as to the extent of UCI presence? I’d like to know how far in the uci is planning to go with this partnership. Will they just have one or two commissars at each race to make sure things are compliant or will it be more involved?
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If the plan is to have better governance against doping, what's needed are not just commissaires but also experienced doping control officers.

They have to be aware of UCI anti-doping regulations, CADF (Cycling Anti-Doping Foundation) procedures, and WADA international standards. Note that these are updated regularly as well.

This is, of course, in addition to the needed testing kits, equipment, et cetera.
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You're totally right about that, why I was wondering what the level of UCI presence or integration was this weekend. Most UCI races are also local federation races. With EWS, it's a little more confusing for me as to who does what. For example here in the US we have a local Enduro series, which have also been EWS races at various stops, but our national federation (USA Cycling) has no involvement in this series. The rulebook for this series doesn't list any doping verbage anywhere. This means that unless one of those two event organizers (big mountain enduro and EWS) hired outside doping controls, there was no reason for one to be there. Granted USADA, CADF, WADA, etc. could chose to have a rep at any race on their own grounds.

Another example is sea otter. There is various UCI races held there, requiring a UCI license. There is also UCI anti-doping in place. This event is also ran in conjunction with our national federation - USA Cycling, so there could be doping controls in place from either group. This is all spelled out in the technical guide for the event that has been available since January. http://www.seaotterclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/2019-XCO-HC-T… page 5 lists anti doping info.

Looking through the EWS rules, you do need a UCI license to race EWS events outside of your home country now, but looking through the technical guide for this upcoming Derby race for example, no mention of anti-doping whatsoever.
http://admin.enduroworldseries.com/uploads/documents/races/1553474444.p…

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3/26/2019 2:00am Edited Date/Time 3/26/2019 2:06am
Considering this is the first year that the EWS has affiliated itself with the UCI for sporting control purposes, races which had very little or no doping control in the past will now be subject to UCI Doping Rules, which, essentially, are the application of WADA guidelines to the sport of cycling.

https://www.uci.org/docs/default-source/rules-and-regulations/part-xiv-…

https://www.uci.org/inside-uci/clean-sport/anti-doping/uci-anti-doping-…

My guess is they will probably do doping control at EWS rounds similar to how they would do it at World Cups, World Championships, and Continental Championship events. The decision on which WADA laboratory to tap and who the doping control officer/s will be will come directly from Aigle itself, and not made by the local federation or even the continental confederation.

Technical guides are generally prepared by the race organizer and not the UCI. The national federation may or may not be consulted (in events in asia, where I am from, they usually are). This is one reason why technical guides at different events can be radically different to each other, even if both events are at an HC level or higher.

In the case of Taz, they may have used the 2017 version as a template, at which point, the EWS was still not affiliated with the UCI, hence the absence of any anti-doping line items. Good find, btw.



6/22/2019 8:44am
Breaking news: Richie Rude has been cleared to race again, after having an 8-month ban imposed retroactively:

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Good News Alert~ Thank you to everyone who has had my back for the last 8 months, family, friends, and sponsors. I would not be here today if it weren’t for you guys! You guys might be wondering, why am I thanking everyone? Well… I am super pumped to announce that I will be back racing in Italy for the next stop on the EWS calendar. Before I get back to racing I would like to fill everyone in on what has been going on in my world. Firstly, I would never do anything to harm this sport or jeopardize the result of another athlete or myself by cheating. Everyone works way too hard and a lot of sacrifices are made, I respect all my fellow competitors and love my fans and support system too much for that. So, in case some of you weren’t up to speed… Last year I had a doping infraction while racing in France. This whole thing was a shock to me. All in all it was accidental ingestion of the substance. I had run out of water and used someone else’s bottle as we climbed up to the start of another stage. Due to it being accidental and the French anti-doping authorities also seeing it in this light, my “suspension” was back dated to when I stopped racing last season, and now I am free continue the sport that I love. Im thankfully to be moving on from this. I hope this brings awareness and stands as a learning experience to others. Again, I want to say thank you to everyone who has stood by me and I look forward to seeing everyone at the races again soon! Scroll left for more -> @yeticycles @redbull @smithoptics @rynopower

A post shared by Richie Rude (@richie_rude1) on Jun 22, 2019 at 8:16am PDT

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6/22/2019 9:05am
So did Jared borrow the water too or...?
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Now question: Whose bottle was it?

Drama continues.
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6/22/2019 9:16am Edited Date/Time 6/22/2019 9:17am
So did Jared borrow the water too or...?
it is obvious that PR people do not respect fans with statements such as: I accidentally slept the wrong water.
An identical PR stunt, as with Gwin that his mechanic accidentally used a three-year old crank.
Such statements are offensive!!


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6/22/2019 9:42am Edited Date/Time 6/22/2019 9:44am
Screw it. I think Broc Tickle and JS7 got nailed on the same stuff. Legal speed. They just need to make better television coverage of this, since pro level enduro is already out of reach of the regular guy. Let the gladiators blow up their hearts
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6/22/2019 9:49am
There’s always blood transfusions Richie........
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6/22/2019 9:51am
That's interesting... As far as i know the sentence for inadvertent doping starts at 12 months, but they can get a reduction if they have "substantial proof that they were not at fault or intending to cheat".

I wonder what proof Rude was able to present to get such a short ban.
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Micro doing.
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