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A Scandinavian adventure to the sun and dust ‘93 till infinity, the red hot chilli peppers and some garage welding. 


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what about enduro? Anybody got intel on anything good?


The king of Austria hopping on to a bike from over the boarder 

 

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11/27/2024 3:21pm
And in my opinion, this is the problem. It's going to come down to personal opinion & relationships & that's not a fair way to run...

And in my opinion, this is the problem. It's going to come down to personal opinion & relationships & that's not a fair way to run a sport.

It (subjectivity) is the downfall of almost every sport at some stage.

It has ruined Rampage.  Ruined slopestyle.  Ruined what feels like the majority of the Olympics.  As soon as you introduce subjective measures, EVERY decision will be wrong.

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11/27/2024 3:40pm
chriskief wrote:

Why did they (you??) include bullets 2 - 4 if they weren't intent on introducing some level of nepotism to the selection process?

Mr.Nally wrote:
I think there's actually 6 bullet points and none of them are related to nepotism or favouritism. They could be abused that way, but assuming that's...

I think there's actually 6 bullet points and none of them are related to nepotism or favouritism. They could be abused that way, but assuming that's WBD default position or their intention without any evidence is plain wrong IMHO. That's my whole point. 

Having a diverse criteria from which to select wildcard teams likely makes sure the best racers, best team structures or injured riders have a chance no matter their points situation. 

Claiming the wild card system is solely their so WBD can do dodgy deals is plain bull and the standard non-critical anti-wbd stuff I often try to push back against in here.

I think the thing that makes people suspicious of WBD and UCI is that WBD and UCI keep doing suspicious things (including well-documented meetings with certain team managers but not all team managers and forcing them into NDAs as tight as not revealing anything even to athletes on their own teams in order to be in those meetings).

"Don't start no shit. Won't be no shit." - Lil' John

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Entertainment execs, promoters, and UCI bureaucrats will absolutely do the right thing. Definitely! I love the one run do-or-die aspect of DH. If the light is still...

Entertainment execs, promoters, and UCI bureaucrats will absolutely do the right thing. Definitely!
 

I love the one run do-or-die aspect of DH. If the light is still green when you cross the line you’re fastest. Boom. No judges, no deliberations, no monkeying around. The changes we’ve seen and heard about wrest some of a rider’s fate from their hands. Clock isn’t as important. The teams will own the points now, diminishing every rider’s worth. Managers are already on showing up on the broadcast—look for them to take more shine from the true stars…the TV producers own the whole thing and they’re beholden to people who don’t care about DH racing. I dunno. Introducing more opportunities for non racers to affect the outcome is scary. 

The nebulous criteria for those wild card choices concern me most. Especially given WBD’s lack of transparent communication thus far. I just don’t see how they don’t muck it up. And the team managers, ruthless competitors themselves, are gonna ruin some shit too. They’ve just multiplied the opportunity for collusion and kickbacks. Not saying that doesn’t already happen, but we don’t want more. 
 



 

Last I checked riders will own their points. Not teams. But will need to check that rulebook again. 

Don't think the wild card spots are that nebulous at all. (The crux of this whole debate)..the 5 spots are to be chosen on current and previous world ranking, profile (fame) of the riders, current or previous injury (commençal Muc-off in 2023 woukd have needed this) and anti-doping history. So while very open to 'abuse'. The system is also quite transparent and arguably pragmatic 

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Olympics as ethical champ is a wild move 😂 

Rhetorical technique of focusing on only one poor aspect of someone's argument. Is......weak 😂. (But I agree the Olympics and Olympic federations can suck one)

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It (subjectivity) is the downfall of almost every sport at some stage.It has ruined Rampage.  Ruined slopestyle.  Ruined what feels like the majority of the Olympics...

It (subjectivity) is the downfall of almost every sport at some stage.

It has ruined Rampage.  Ruined slopestyle.  Ruined what feels like the majority of the Olympics.  As soon as you introduce subjective measures, EVERY decision will be wrong.

Wow. You'd swear they were deleting the clock from DH racing. The wildcard stuff will select around 10% of the riders who'll race world cups. Drama for nothing 

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Let’s get back to rrrrroooomoursA rocket from the north east to a north western baseA long walk for a swordA Scandinavian adventure to the sun and...

Let’s get back to rrrrroooomours


A rocket from the north east to a north western base


A long walk for a sword


A Scandinavian adventure to the sun and dust ‘93 till infinity, the red hot chilli peppers and some garage welding. 


The dream is locked and loaded


what about enduro? Anybody got intel on anything good?


The king of Austria hopping on to a bike from over the boarder 

 

All I heard about enduro is that most of the medalist from EDR worlds won't be racing in 2025. Gonna be interesting to see how performances go if loads of former factory riders end up as 'provateers'.

 

Also Danny Hart on Norco is gonna be weird. Can't see him being too open to mentorship From Minnaar. But I suppose they need the points.

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Let’s get back to rrrrroooomoursA rocket from the north east to a north western baseA long walk for a swordA Scandinavian adventure to the sun and...

Let’s get back to rrrrroooomours


A rocket from the north east to a north western base


A long walk for a sword


A Scandinavian adventure to the sun and dust ‘93 till infinity, the red hot chilli peppers and some garage welding. 


The dream is locked and loaded


what about enduro? Anybody got intel on anything good?


The king of Austria hopping on to a bike from over the boarder 

 

Mr.Nally wrote:
All I heard about enduro is that most of the medalist from EDR worlds won't be racing in 2025. Gonna be interesting to see how performances...

All I heard about enduro is that most of the medalist from EDR worlds won't be racing in 2025. Gonna be interesting to see how performances go if loads of former factory riders end up as 'provateers'.

 

Also Danny Hart on Norco is gonna be weird. Can't see him being too open to mentorship From Minnaar. But I suppose they need the points.

Hart definitely not going to Norco. Maybe YT. They have the money. 

That spot is going to the current world champion. 

 

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Scotsman laying down his weapon and doing what his master tells him. 

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11/28/2024 9:46am
owl-x wrote:

Olympics as ethical champ is a wild move 😂 

Mr.Nally wrote:

Rhetorical technique of focusing on only one poor aspect of someone's argument. Is......weak 😂. (But I agree the Olympics and Olympic federations can suck one)

Yeah Mr like guy said up earlier, why have criteria #2-4 if #1 is points? They’re giving themselves permission to monkey with the teams. 
When the selection process involves something other than straight up objective points, people are more likely to do favors. 
That part about WBD talking with some team managers but not others?—with non disclosure agreements? Shutting down that muddy juniors race with riders in the gate? 
They are way too unconcerned with the bike race part of the bike race they bought. 

 

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11/28/2024 11:33am
Let’s get back to rrrrroooomoursA rocket from the north east to a north western baseA long walk for a swordA Scandinavian adventure to the sun and...

Let’s get back to rrrrroooomours


A rocket from the north east to a north western base


A long walk for a sword


A Scandinavian adventure to the sun and dust ‘93 till infinity, the red hot chilli peppers and some garage welding. 


The dream is locked and loaded


what about enduro? Anybody got intel on anything good?


The king of Austria hopping on to a bike from over the boarder 

 

Mr.Nally wrote:
All I heard about enduro is that most of the medalist from EDR worlds won't be racing in 2025. Gonna be interesting to see how performances...

All I heard about enduro is that most of the medalist from EDR worlds won't be racing in 2025. Gonna be interesting to see how performances go if loads of former factory riders end up as 'provateers'.

 

Also Danny Hart on Norco is gonna be weird. Can't see him being too open to mentorship From Minnaar. But I suppose they need the points.

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Hart definitely not going to Norco. Maybe YT. They have the money. 

That spot is going to the current world champion. 

 

Norco's CEO, who brought the team back from the dead and got Minaar on board, got handed his ticket out of the organization yesterday. So who knows what is going to happen to that team now. 

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11/28/2024 12:37pm
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Hart to Norco seems somewhat likely given the TRP stuff and fresh gold fork

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11/28/2024 1:20pm Edited Date/Time 11/28/2024 1:45pm
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Yeah Mr like guy said up earlier, why have criteria #2-4 if #1 is points? They’re giving themselves permission to monkey with the teams. When the selection...

Yeah Mr like guy said up earlier, why have criteria #2-4 if #1 is points? They’re giving themselves permission to monkey with the teams. 
When the selection process involves something other than straight up objective points, people are more likely to do favors. 
That part about WBD talking with some team managers but not others?—with non disclosure agreements? Shutting down that muddy juniors race with riders in the gate? 
They are way too unconcerned with the bike race part of the bike race they bought. 

 

Why have criteria #2-4 (there's 6 btw)? We've covered this. So smaller teams that don't have all the points but may have signed an interesting/fast/legacy rider or two etc.. have a shot. Or for example criteria 3 - "UCI Team composition (multi-category, multi-gender) ". So a team with slightly less points but that has signed women and juniors has a shot against the quite common male dominated teams. Or when making the selection between two similar teams when one has a rider who has been done for a doping violation in the past (criteria 6)?

So ya, seems there's loads of reasons to have diverse selection criteria for 5 of the 20 teams.

 

As for your junior comments. They cancelled a race in loudenville because of safety concerns around evacuations. Might have been the wrong call. We'll never know. Funny you don't mention the fact that WBD broadcast all junior racing live and free on YouTube though? Something the UCI nor red bull TV ever cared about. Seems in that sense WBD are more concerned with the fans getting to see the racing?

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Hart to Norco seems somewhat likely given the TRP stuff and fresh gold fork
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Hart to Norco seems somewhat likely given the TRP stuff and fresh gold fork

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11/28/2024 1:35pm

cast bar is a giveaway too seeing as they seem to be the only team using them

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11/28/2024 6:17pm Edited Date/Time 11/28/2024 6:18pm
Mr.Nally wrote:
Why have criteria #2-4 (there's 6 btw)? We've covered this. So smaller teams that don't have all the points but may have signed an interesting/fast/legacy rider...

Why have criteria #2-4 (there's 6 btw)? We've covered this. So smaller teams that don't have all the points but may have signed an interesting/fast/legacy rider or two etc.. have a shot. Or for example criteria 3 - "UCI Team composition (multi-category, multi-gender) ". So a team with slightly less points but that has signed women and juniors has a shot against the quite common male dominated teams. Or when making the selection between two similar teams when one has a rider who has been done for a doping violation in the past (criteria 6)?

So ya, seems there's loads of reasons to have diverse selection criteria for 5 of the 20 teams.

 

As for your junior comments. They cancelled a race in loudenville because of safety concerns around evacuations. Might have been the wrong call. We'll never know. Funny you don't mention the fact that WBD broadcast all junior racing live and free on YouTube though? Something the UCI nor red bull TV ever cared about. Seems in that sense WBD are more concerned with the fans getting to see the racing?

Pretending like Elite racing wasn't free before and WBD isn't just using the juniors as a funnel into their paid coverage isn't the best argument I've heard... though it is cool that we finally get to see coverage of the juniors, so in that sense, it has been a positive change.

On the rumor front: Last year there was quite a lot of hype around first-year juniors with Asa, the Alran brothers, and Tyler Waite - anybody of note coming into next season?

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11/29/2024 1:12am Edited Date/Time 11/29/2024 1:35am
Mr.Nally wrote:
Why have criteria #2-4 (there's 6 btw)? We've covered this. So smaller teams that don't have all the points but may have signed an interesting/fast/legacy rider...

Why have criteria #2-4 (there's 6 btw)? We've covered this. So smaller teams that don't have all the points but may have signed an interesting/fast/legacy rider or two etc.. have a shot. Or for example criteria 3 - "UCI Team composition (multi-category, multi-gender) ". So a team with slightly less points but that has signed women and juniors has a shot against the quite common male dominated teams. Or when making the selection between two similar teams when one has a rider who has been done for a doping violation in the past (criteria 6)?

So ya, seems there's loads of reasons to have diverse selection criteria for 5 of the 20 teams.

 

As for your junior comments. They cancelled a race in loudenville because of safety concerns around evacuations. Might have been the wrong call. We'll never know. Funny you don't mention the fact that WBD broadcast all junior racing live and free on YouTube though? Something the UCI nor red bull TV ever cared about. Seems in that sense WBD are more concerned with the fans getting to see the racing?

Pretending like Elite racing wasn't free before and WBD isn't just using the juniors as a funnel into their paid coverage isn't the best argument I've...

Pretending like Elite racing wasn't free before and WBD isn't just using the juniors as a funnel into their paid coverage isn't the best argument I've heard... though it is cool that we finally get to see coverage of the juniors, so in that sense, it has been a positive change.

On the rumor front: Last year there was quite a lot of hype around first-year juniors with Asa, the Alran brothers, and Tyler Waite - anybody of note coming into next season?

From what I've seen, from a euro perspective the girls are going to have some tight competition amongst the first years. Both the Rosas (Zierl and Jensen) and Lina Frener. Add to that Aletha Ostgaard and there's four big contenders for a podium. I'll add Cassandra Peizerat in the mix, but well have to see if she stays racing DH (she's also a growing talent in the alpine skiing world)

  For the guys, Is Cohen Bundy a 2008 or '09? It's really sad to see Cash Shaleen out of action, he would have made quite an impact and we have to wait another year before a skinny, ginger-haired Spanish kid named Marcel makes his debut. That'll be something.

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From what I've seen, from a euro perspective the girls are going to have some tight competition amongst the first years. Both the Rosas (Zierl and...

From what I've seen, from a euro perspective the girls are going to have some tight competition amongst the first years. Both the Rosas (Zierl and Jensen) and Lina Frener. Add to that Aletha Ostgaard and there's four big contenders for a podium. I'll add Cassandra Peizerat in the mix, but well have to see if she stays racing DH (she's also a growing talent in the alpine skiing world)

  For the guys, Is Cohen Bundy a 2008 or '09? It's really sad to see Cash Shaleen out of action, he would have made quite an impact and we have to wait another year before a skinny, ginger-haired Spanish kid named Marcel makes his debut. That'll be something.

Junior womens class is gonna be stacked in '25. And with the fast juniors moving up to elite, women's racing is going from strength to strength.

Rumor wise seems most of those those junior women racers you mentioned will be on factory teams or close to it?

Zierl - Cube
Jensen - Gen S
Frener - Norco
Ostgaard - Canyon Factory

Any others?
 

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From what I've seen, from a euro perspective the girls are going to have some tight competition amongst the first years. Both the Rosas (Zierl and...

From what I've seen, from a euro perspective the girls are going to have some tight competition amongst the first years. Both the Rosas (Zierl and Jensen) and Lina Frener. Add to that Aletha Ostgaard and there's four big contenders for a podium. I'll add Cassandra Peizerat in the mix, but well have to see if she stays racing DH (she's also a growing talent in the alpine skiing world)

  For the guys, Is Cohen Bundy a 2008 or '09? It's really sad to see Cash Shaleen out of action, he would have made quite an impact and we have to wait another year before a skinny, ginger-haired Spanish kid named Marcel makes his debut. That'll be something.

Mr.Nally wrote:
Junior womens class is gonna be stacked in '25. And with the fast juniors moving up to elite, women's racing is going from strength to strength.Rumor...

Junior womens class is gonna be stacked in '25. And with the fast juniors moving up to elite, women's racing is going from strength to strength.

Rumor wise seems most of those those junior women racers you mentioned will be on factory teams or close to it?

Zierl - Cube
Jensen - Gen S
Frener - Norco
Ostgaard - Canyon Factory

Any others?
 

Will Tegan Heap still be with Pivot this year? 

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Will Tegan Heap still be with Pivot this year? 

Reading the description of her latest video I doubt she will be on PFR next year:

[...] Although things may be looking a little different for me next year [...]

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Will Tegan Heap still be with Pivot this year? 

RedBaron82 wrote:
Reading the description of her latest video I doubt she will be on PFR next year:[...] Although things may be looking a little different for me...

Reading the description of her latest video I doubt she will be on PFR next year:

[...] Although things may be looking a little different for me next year [...]

Her parents probably don't want her to be BK's next girlfriend 

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12/1/2024 1:28pm

What about Monika Hrastnik? As an ex AM Doroval athlete ... 8. overall. Any ideas? 

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What about Monika Hrastnik? As an ex AM Doroval athlete ... 8. overall. Any ideas? 

No news yet, she was still riding her old commencal this weekend...

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12/2/2024 12:04am

not exactly "new" as this was the setup intended for the cancelled Nines earlier this year. She might just be riding her spare frames until the reveal of a new sponsor (if so)

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NJPA Rider wrote:

Will Tegan Heap still be with Pivot this year? 

RedBaron82 wrote:
Reading the description of her latest video I doubt she will be on PFR next year:[...] Although things may be looking a little different for me...

Reading the description of her latest video I doubt she will be on PFR next year:

[...] Although things may be looking a little different for me next year [...]

hwizzle32 wrote:

Her parents probably don't want her to be BK's next girlfriend 

Insert dude spitting cereal meme... Ouch

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12/2/2024 3:44pm

Spoilers in last Lalyche TV vidéo..

Goodman Santa Cruz with a stacked team and two new riders.. 🙈🙊

https://youtu.be/XcILY8BTD_o?feature=shared

Estaque and Bouladou. Definitely two of the better names in the scene. 
Estaque. 
Bouladou. 

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