Vpp was developed by Outland Bikes in the late 90's and then licensed by Santa Cruz and intense. Neither developed it.
@JonnyDH I am aware of that, but still the m9 and v10 were different in a way. Now, the new bike is like a different version of the v10. I'm not hating or smth, just surprised that Intense chose that way.
@marshalolson Yeap, Rob Roskopp buys the patent from Outland Bikes around 1999
Saw the Athertons riding on duct taped frames in Queenstown, so... Carbon fury?
Or probably the frames are snapped and the duck tape holds everything together? (kidding)
However, it will be a strange move for Gt to go back to carbon after their explanations how the alu frame weights less and so on. So... New frame from scratch?
Or probably the frames are snapped and the duck tape holds everything together? (kidding)
However, it will be a strange move for Gt to go back...
Or probably the frames are snapped and the duck tape holds everything together? (kidding)
However, it will be a strange move for Gt to go back to carbon after their explanations how the alu frame weights less and so on. So... New frame from scratch?
Aluminum is always better when you don't have a carbon version to sell
With the 650b debate done and dusted for DH racing I'd expect a few more carbon frames showing up this season
The new Intense m16 in Sant Andreu de la Barca.
Bernat Guardia and Ferran Jorba (Intense Factory Racing)
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2015/03/10/2065/s1200_image.jpg[/img]
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2015/03/10/2066/s1200_image.jpg[/img]
The new Intense m16 in Sant Andreu de la Barca.
Bernat Guardia and Ferran Jorba (Intense Factory Racing)
So is this how people will be getting a V10 in aluminum?
Obviously there are differences between the two (which I am sure the internet experts will jump all over), but the lines are getting pretty blurry now.
Or probably the frames are snapped and the duck tape holds everything together? (kidding)
However, it will be a strange move for Gt to go back...
Or probably the frames are snapped and the duck tape holds everything together? (kidding)
However, it will be a strange move for Gt to go back to carbon after their explanations how the alu frame weights less and so on. So... New frame from scratch?
Aluminum is always better when you don't have a carbon version to sell ;)
With the 650b debate done and dusted for DH racing I'd expect...
Aluminum is always better when you don't have a carbon version to sell
With the 650b debate done and dusted for DH racing I'd expect a few more carbon frames showing up this season
Lee's point is spot on. Plus, their alu frame is lighter than the old carbon frame, simply because the carbon frame was super heavy. If the new Fury gets made in carbon, it should be even lighter than the existing alu version. Would look pretty sexy for sure though
Aluminum is always better when you don't have a carbon version to sell ;)
With the 650b debate done and dusted for DH racing I'd expect...
Aluminum is always better when you don't have a carbon version to sell
With the 650b debate done and dusted for DH racing I'd expect a few more carbon frames showing up this season
Actually all the big guns are pretty much set, only GT and Scott are missing carbon dh bike from the big manufacturers, I think (spec, trek, giant, SC, have them). What is missing is De Vinci, NukeProof, which doesnt appear too fond of carbon, Saracen and new Kona maybe...
I think it's a matter of time for Scott to go carbon,s ince they've been doing carbon since like forever. The thing is that supposedly different groups make the Gambler and Voltage lines as opposed to all the Genius and XC racing bikes, the latter of which are the carbon bikes.
As for Devinci, i wouldn't be surprised at them staying with alu, since they are not THAT big of a manufacturer (or are they?), but they do have more or less every other frame in a carbon version. So on the other hand i wouldn't be surprised if they did make a carbon Wilson again. But in a year or two.
Actually all the big guns are pretty much set, only GT and Scott are missing carbon dh bike from the big manufacturers, I think (spec, trek...
Actually all the big guns are pretty much set, only GT and Scott are missing carbon dh bike from the big manufacturers, I think (spec, trek, giant, SC, have them). What is missing is De Vinci, NukeProof, which doesnt appear too fond of carbon, Saracen and new Kona maybe...
I know not a "big gun" but Commencal has yet to go carbon. I would assume they have big plans for later this season having home field advantage for World Champs. Will they be bold enough to try carbon or stick with the proven aluminum frame with minor tweaks?
There is something new in the box at Commencal:
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For comparsion:
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/users/17625/setup_checks/26392/photos/27320/s1600_IMG_67931.jpg?1406143858[/img]
But maxbe I am wrong...
There is something new in the box at Commencal:
For comparsion:
But maxbe I am wrong...
I think you are right! Spot on! The frame is definitely different.
The new Intense m16 in Sant Andreu de la Barca.
Bernat Guardia and Ferran Jorba (Intense Factory Racing)
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2015/03/10/2065/s1200_image.jpg[/img]
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2015/03/10/2066/s1200_image.jpg[/img]
The new Intense m16 in Sant Andreu de la Barca.
Bernat Guardia and Ferran Jorba (Intense Factory Racing)
Is it my optical illusionary eyeballs or is Guardia's front tire stuffed up in that Boxxer crown? I know there's a fender on there but it still seems like a tight fit
Is it my optical illusionary eyeballs or is Guardia's front tire stuffed up in that Boxxer crown? I know there's a fender on there but it...
Is it my optical illusionary eyeballs or is Guardia's front tire stuffed up in that Boxxer crown? I know there's a fender on there but it still seems like a tight fit
I'd say it's the fender not conforming to the arch and being longer, therefore not showing the gap with light.
Commencal are sticking with aluminium, they've said it's cheaper and that carbon is not worth the bother for a company their size and that aluminium is good enough. They used to have carbon Meta 5.5s and swingarms on the 5.5 and 6 (plus a hardtail), but that was it, the V3 (second gen basicly) Meta was all ALU, V4 is as well.
As for the Supreme frame, maybe it's different, but the architecture is the same as far as i can see.
The new Nukeproof
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The new Nukeproof
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who is that on it?
Figure the main guys would have got the new bike before anyone else. We shall see if Sam shows to the nationals this weekend if he is on something new.
@marshalolson Yeap, Rob Roskopp buys the patent from Outland Bikes around 1999
Bernat Guardia and Ferran Jorba (Intense Factory Racing)
However, it will be a strange move for Gt to go back to carbon after their explanations how the alu frame weights less and so on. So... New frame from scratch?
With the 650b debate done and dusted for DH racing I'd expect a few more carbon frames showing up this season
As for Devinci, i wouldn't be surprised at them staying with alu, since they are not THAT big of a manufacturer (or are they?), but they do have more or less every other frame in a carbon version. So on the other hand i wouldn't be surprised if they did make a carbon Wilson again. But in a year or two.
For comparsion:
But maxbe I am wrong...
Commencal are sticking with aluminium, they've said it's cheaper and that carbon is not worth the bother for a company their size and that aluminium is good enough. They used to have carbon Meta 5.5s and swingarms on the 5.5 and 6 (plus a hardtail), but that was it, the V3 (second gen basicly) Meta was all ALU, V4 is as well.
As for the Supreme frame, maybe it's different, but the architecture is the same as far as i can see.
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Figure the main guys would have got the new bike before anyone else. We shall see if Sam shows to the nationals this weekend if he is on something new.
dave
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