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You’re starting to see why there is a very vocal group pushing for more balanced bike geo…

But the gen 6 slash definitely pedals steep and tech like a bike with a short rear end. You very much have to weight the front to not loop out.

Your lost in the sauce bro. People are trying to discussing geometry, specifically reach stack and FC/RC and your dragging suspension into it. We know suspension kinematics change when you change any member of the linkage, they are just trying to discuss it in an isolated scenario as its simpler. No need to go swinging your "i worked in suspension for 25 years" dick everywhere.

1) I think you're at the exact peak of the Dunning Kruger graph here. 2) That was a hint to get this discussion out of this thread.

Every time you mention this random ass definition of what a chainstay length is, i can't help but think about how it doesn't make any sense unless you're talking only about single pivot bikes, and how everyone you talk to is going to misunderstand you anyway. The fun thing about language is that words mean what people understand them to mean, not what you want them to mean. I'll post the rest of my response to this in the chainstay thread.

I thought we were discussing chainstays, not kinematics...

Oh ok you're one of those. Cool. Please define what you consider a "chainstay" succinctly in a way that actually covers all suspension layouts. I understand suspension dynamics and the concept of leverage quite well. The final year of my degree was mostly concerned with mountain bike suspension design and a fair amount of my experience in engineering has involved linkage systems. You're just assuming I'm a moron because i said you had a shit take on something, and I'm a guy on the internet. Nobody in mountain biking understands that word to mean what you insist it means, and...

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chainstay length itself is also the distance between rear axle and pivot point - this is why the actual length matters so much, that pivot could be infront of the BB or behind it. which has quite a role in anti squat, leverage of the stay etc - it also directly relates to where the BB ends up.

That's nonsense though, and nobody else I've ever talked to considers that word to mean that. There's no way to define that length for a virtual pivot bike in a way that makes sense unless you want...

There's no prototype rule in MTB. There's no resetting of the clock, the teams are free to run whatever they like

agreed til the last part, had to downvote due to a very beautiful counterpoint to the dynamic bit: Goldstone. He is the most active rider right now and he has a set up that confirms the tall stack/long cs crowd. I think you mean "active on the bike" but the progressive geo folks want to be active on the trail.

a lot of the pro-balanced weight distribution folks are saying just this: hey, this is how we like to ride. but then the argument gets confused when people say "no those bikes don't turn." so yeah, when they say "those bikes don't turn" the response is 100% "you don't get it" as in, thats not a valid criticism. it might be your opinion, but its be presented as fact.

no, ride one with long cs, he is on to something and edr riders are often on smaller frames to be able to react faster, not a role model

I agree with you on the thing about what size they design for. Hence why people are asking for longer/proportional chainstays. I had trouble with heavier, longer bikes until I got stronger and better at riding. Also, those “big” bikes might have just been really unbalanced! Sizing down is awesome when you’re on a large that has too long of a front center (also reaches were way too long for a while.) sizing down says more about imbalanced design and a suboptimal riding position than it does about wheelbases. No need for name calling btw. Not even touching the rest...

See Paul Aston for experiments in getting the same/similar ratios for taller guys. As a guy that is 182cm tall riding a trail bike with 1300mm wheelbase on plenty of janky right Shore trails I would say your thoughts on wheelbase are wrong. Do I want to go longer? Not for a 160mm trail bike, but for longer travel I certainly would.

Dak is not really on a small bike his reach is north of 490mm

Alright, I’ve just read through the last few pages of this thread, and I have a question: Have you considered that your strong preference for a particular setup might be matched—or even outweighed—by an equally strong preference for something different among a broader group of well-informed riders? It seems possible that what you're seeking is a very specific riding feel that simply doesn’t align with what the majority of riders want. In that case, it's less about the bike industry being misguided or behind the curve, and more about you needing to seek out the brands or builders that cater...

I think Jackson is on a medium these days. Seems that would be the right size not a size up for him? Would love so see someone create a database comparison with riders height and bike dimensions.

Fine if you feel that way, but I try to ask for riders opinions on the current state of the sport and also anything happening inside so people from the outside can learn more, Finns response was great and a lot people enjoyed his opinions. I interview riders who are doing well in the race, on race day my video is to tell the story of the race. I can't make a judgement on a case where no one actually knows the full story, and we never will it seems, so until then I will interview the riders who performed...

Rulesman Hambini Diaz [I’ve redacted my comment about Dale Stone because I’ve seen two of his videos and that’s not enough to draw an informed conclusion] These are all content creators who seemingly never have anything nice to say about the big companies. According to them, everything’s terrible all the time and they’re the only ones calling it out, the voice crying out in the wilderness. I agree that the big companies do things that suck and that drive me crazy, but if you can’t ever say anything nice about the bigs, even when they notch a win? I have...