Interestingly, we’ve already noticed some really loose headsets with these things. Reaching out to our reps and the company, we were told there haven’t been any...
Interestingly, we’ve already noticed some really loose headsets with these things. Reaching out to our reps and the company, we were told there haven’t been any issues. (of course…)
Interestingly, we’ve already noticed some really loose headsets with these things. Reaching out to our reps and the company, we were told there haven’t been any...
Interestingly, we’ve already noticed some really loose headsets with these things. Reaching out to our reps and the company, we were told there haven’t been any issues. (of course…)
Most PF BBs have a plastic shell. But the loads are a bit different there than with headsets.
Yeah I had a plastic cup SRAM one on my old Reign and didn't have any issues with it. GFRP is plenty tough if done right and plastic cups would be better for slightly out of tolerance BBs and less likely to creak than an ali one.
"Throwback to the Andorran looseness - Few more days before getting back on the new horse"
It's already the case since the French DH champs I think. It has been stated many times that Loic does not like swapping bikes mid season, he was waiting the end of the season to start testing the new rig.
"Throwback to the Andorran looseness - Few more days before getting back on the new horse"
It was said in an interview or podcast that Bruni was supposed to ride the prototype in the second half of the season but the collarbone break derailed the plan.
SB160 c-series leaks floating around if you look at other forums
170/160 travel, 64ht, 77.5st but actuals differ adjusted by frame size as do chainstay lengths, 485 reach (L), threaded bb, apparently new switch infinity for t-series. Looks like they optimized the current platform, aside from the downtube protector appears unchanged from the EWS proto.
I'd be hard pressed to go $8-9k in on something so similar to the SB150s you can pick up new for $6k-ish with discounts. Bummed to see with all this time they didn't bring back the gorgeous and differentiated curves of the older carbon models; I'm still ripping my modernized 5.5 without bike envy.
Those are Australian dollar prices. For reference the cheapest current-gen firebird is 10,999 AUD.
Let's see the USD pricing but this is a joke relative to what else you can buy in Australia for the same $$$ (at the top end)- a Firebird at 11k with an Xt/elite build, or an enduro expert at 11.5k (XT but mixes in some XO, elite susp.).
SB160 c-series leaks floating around if you look at other forums ;) 170/160 travel, 64ht, 77.5st but actuals differ adjusted by frame size as do chainstay...
SB160 c-series leaks floating around if you look at other forums
170/160 travel, 64ht, 77.5st but actuals differ adjusted by frame size as do chainstay lengths, 485 reach (L), threaded bb, apparently new switch infinity for t-series. Looks like they optimized the current platform, aside from the downtube protector appears unchanged from the EWS proto.
I'd be hard pressed to go $8-9k in on something so similar to the SB150s you can pick up new for $6k-ish with discounts. Bummed to see with all this time they didn't bring back the gorgeous and differentiated curves of the older carbon models; I'm still ripping my modernized 5.5 without bike envy.
to be honest, geo looks really good on paper and small improvements i was looking for in comparison to my sb150. but the looks are very similar and i‘m not gonna pay 5k for a frameset for just 10mm more travel, 0,5 degree slacker HA and fitting chainstays.
to be honest, geo looks really good on paper and small improvements i was looking for in comparison to my sb150. but the looks are very...
to be honest, geo looks really good on paper and small improvements i was looking for in comparison to my sb150. but the looks are very similar and i‘m not gonna pay 5k for a frameset for just 10mm more travel, 0,5 degree slacker HA and fitting chainstays.
Not to mention that the chainstay growth between each size is only 2 mm (lol) while reach jumps inconsistently between sizes (30mm from small to medium and 15mm from XL to XXL)
Those are Australian dollar prices. For reference the cheapest current-gen firebird is 10,999 AUD.
Let's see the USD pricing but this is a joke relative to...
Those are Australian dollar prices. For reference the cheapest current-gen firebird is 10,999 AUD.
Let's see the USD pricing but this is a joke relative to what else you can buy in Australia for the same $$$ (at the top end)- a Firebird at 11k with an Xt/elite build, or an enduro expert at 11.5k (XT but mixes in some XO, elite susp.).
It's in Australian Dollary'doo's correct.
Yes, the pricing is insane and that's what things are selling for in Aus. Without going on a Primoz tangent here (sorry bro) The rich are getting richer and the middle class are sliding the other way here (as I'm sure it's the same in the States/UK/Etc.
For every Pivot/Yeti/Santa Cruz sold, there will be 10 Norco's/Canyons/Commencals on the trails. A GOOD bike here used to be $4-5k and that would be Fox/XT that would serve you well, that same build is $10k+ now.
But people will still pay $12-17k for a bike here without blinking. S-Works Kenevo SL's are sold without going on display here, can't get them fast enough. Nearing $24,000! ($15,400 USD)
It's a mad world out there at the moment. I'm just here for the ride.
Seriously though, I'm feeling Norco is sliding upwards too. Sight A1 is an MSRP of 6100 eur. Aluminium and GX. That's more expensive than Commencal and Meta AM models haven't been cheap for a while now...
I've become a meme!
Seriously though, I'm feeling Norco is sliding upwards too. Sight A1 is an MSRP of 6100 eur. Aluminium and GX. That's more...
I've become a meme!
Seriously though, I'm feeling Norco is sliding upwards too. Sight A1 is an MSRP of 6100 eur. Aluminium and GX. That's more expensive than Commencal and Meta AM models haven't been cheap for a while now...
6100 EURO for the Norco Sight A1? Holy shit, it retails for $6899 in Canada. That's € 5100...
I've become a meme!
Seriously though, I'm feeling Norco is sliding upwards too. Sight A1 is an MSRP of 6100 eur. Aluminium and GX. That's more...
I've become a meme!
Seriously though, I'm feeling Norco is sliding upwards too. Sight A1 is an MSRP of 6100 eur. Aluminium and GX. That's more expensive than Commencal and Meta AM models haven't been cheap for a while now...
Pricing often errs higher outside of a brand's home market because when they set MSRPs each year, they don't know what currency exchange rates are going to do. There has to be some wiggle room for the foreign currency to lose relative value and not take every bit of profit along with it.
The same Sight A1 was, if I'm not mistaken, 4500 € MSRP in 2020. Exact same spec except for an RC3 shock instead of the Ultimate and e.13 rims instead of Stan's Flows.
Pricing often errs higher outside of a brand's home market because when they set MSRPs each year, they don't know what currency exchange rates are going...
Pricing often errs higher outside of a brand's home market because when they set MSRPs each year, they don't know what currency exchange rates are going to do. There has to be some wiggle room for the foreign currency to lose relative value and not take every bit of profit along with it.
Don't forget the regulation of distributor pricing by the Motherships.
In Korea, bigger brands like Specialized, Trek, and Giant are mostly priced fairly, adding on the tax, shipping, etc... for a roughly 20% price increase. Occasionally, there are bikes that are actually cheaper here. Rare but happens. S-Works Turbo Levo frames were actually cheaper here for over a year.
Now, boutique brands are much more "free" with their pricing policies. A couple of very, very popular boutique brands had distributors that were running unchecked and charging nearly double the price of US MSRP. Their margins per bike/frame were crazy.
Eventually, the motherships came a calling with a lot of questions regarding sales. The distributors claimed the bikes were too expensive, but they had no answers when they were asked about their pricing and margins. So they got slapped and now we have a few boutique brands that are priced reasonably again, while some others are still bonkers
I'm pretty sure normal people are supposed to buy last year's yeti for 30% off and feel like they got a deal.
Glad to see the market rebound. New bike prices like everything are still quite a bit higher than pre covid, but the clearance and used market has returned to pretty reasonable levels.
The same Sight A1 was, if I'm not mistaken, 4500 € MSRP in 2020. Exact same spec except for an RC3 shock instead of the Ultimate...
The same Sight A1 was, if I'm not mistaken, 4500 € MSRP in 2020. Exact same spec except for an RC3 shock instead of the Ultimate and e.13 rims instead of Stan's Flows.
So you’re saying pricing has increased in the last 3 years…..
Pricing often errs higher outside of a brand's home market because when they set MSRPs each year, they don't know what currency exchange rates are going...
Pricing often errs higher outside of a brand's home market because when they set MSRPs each year, they don't know what currency exchange rates are going to do. There has to be some wiggle room for the foreign currency to lose relative value and not take every bit of profit along with it.
Don't forget the regulation of distributor pricing by the Motherships.
In Korea, bigger brands like Specialized, Trek, and Giant are mostly priced fairly, adding on...
Don't forget the regulation of distributor pricing by the Motherships.
In Korea, bigger brands like Specialized, Trek, and Giant are mostly priced fairly, adding on the tax, shipping, etc... for a roughly 20% price increase. Occasionally, there are bikes that are actually cheaper here. Rare but happens. S-Works Turbo Levo frames were actually cheaper here for over a year.
Now, boutique brands are much more "free" with their pricing policies. A couple of very, very popular boutique brands had distributors that were running unchecked and charging nearly double the price of US MSRP. Their margins per bike/frame were crazy.
Eventually, the motherships came a calling with a lot of questions regarding sales. The distributors claimed the bikes were too expensive, but they had no answers when they were asked about their pricing and margins. So they got slapped and now we have a few boutique brands that are priced reasonably again, while some others are still bonkers
Interesting, I lived in S. Korea for a couple years, and found the bigger brands to be wildly priced, anything from Spesh, Trek was outrageous, but could get a Giant for much less. Santa Cruz was popular, and like today, wildly over priced.
Having a high end bike was definitely a flex, with all the team kit to go along with it
bought a Kona hard tail, and raced DH on it, and it was priced reasonably.
the trails in and around Seoul were pretty awesome, I remember them fondly. Along with all the reactions from locals when they saw a bunch of crazy mountain bikers bombing down what were hiking trails.
Most PF BBs have a plastic shell. But the loads are a bit different there than with headsets.
Athertons dropping (soon but tbd) a 170mm bruiser that Gee's been running around in Utah on... in case someone missed it https://www.instagram.com/p/CkgbcRxriD9/?hl=en
No chance of them going flex stays for a 120 mm bike? The Lux does feature flex stays..
Yeah I had a plastic cup SRAM one on my old Reign and didn't have any issues with it. GFRP is plenty tough if done right and plastic cups would be better for slightly out of tolerance BBs and less likely to creak than an ali one.
I'd still 1000% rather a BSA threaded BB though!
Bruni switching to the bike Finn's been riding?
"Throwback to the Andorran looseness - Few more days before getting back on the new horse"
It's already the case since the French DH champs I think. It has been stated many times that Loic does not like swapping bikes mid season, he was waiting the end of the season to start testing the new rig.
It was said in an interview or podcast that Bruni was supposed to ride the prototype in the second half of the season but the collarbone break derailed the plan.
SB160 c-series leaks floating around if you look at other forums
170/160 travel, 64ht, 77.5st but actuals differ adjusted by frame size as do chainstay lengths, 485 reach (L), threaded bb, apparently new switch infinity for t-series. Looks like they optimized the current platform, aside from the downtube protector appears unchanged from the EWS proto.
I'd be hard pressed to go $8-9k in on something so similar to the SB150s you can pick up new for $6k-ish with discounts. Bummed to see with all this time they didn't bring back the gorgeous and differentiated curves of the older carbon models; I'm still ripping my modernized 5.5 without bike envy.
Looks like the new yeti sb160 has been leaked officially. Very Trekish logo
https://rowneysports.com/portfolio_page/yeti-2023-sb160-c-series/
Pretty sure that’s not US Dollar but I’m sure it’ll be outrageous still.
YIKES.
Cheapest spec starts at just under $11k, and that's SLX, and you dont even get DD casings or a Performance Elite fork...
Those are Australian dollar prices. For reference the cheapest current-gen firebird is 10,999 AUD.
Let's see the USD pricing but this is a joke relative to what else you can buy in Australia for the same $$$ (at the top end)- a Firebird at 11k with an Xt/elite build, or an enduro expert at 11.5k (XT but mixes in some XO, elite susp.).
New neuron in the canyon visit piece?
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to be honest, geo looks really good on paper and small improvements i was looking for in comparison to my sb150. but the looks are very similar and i‘m not gonna pay 5k for a frameset for just 10mm more travel, 0,5 degree slacker HA and fitting chainstays.
Imagine choosing the yeti over this,oof
https://www.specialized.com/us/en/enduro-ltd/p/200363?color=322740-2003…
Not to mention that the chainstay growth between each size is only 2 mm (lol) while reach jumps inconsistently between sizes (30mm from small to medium and 15mm from XL to XXL)
Doesn't look there is any frame storage on the new 160 either
It's in Australian Dollary'doo's correct.
Yes, the pricing is insane and that's what things are selling for in Aus. Without going on a Primoz tangent here (sorry bro) The rich are getting richer and the middle class are sliding the other way here (as I'm sure it's the same in the States/UK/Etc.
For every Pivot/Yeti/Santa Cruz sold, there will be 10 Norco's/Canyons/Commencals on the trails. A GOOD bike here used to be $4-5k and that would be Fox/XT that would serve you well, that same build is $10k+ now.
But people will still pay $12-17k for a bike here without blinking. S-Works Kenevo SL's are sold without going on display here, can't get them fast enough. Nearing $24,000! ($15,400 USD)
It's a mad world out there at the moment. I'm just here for the ride.
I've become a meme!
Seriously though, I'm feeling Norco is sliding upwards too. Sight A1 is an MSRP of 6100 eur. Aluminium and GX. That's more expensive than Commencal and Meta AM models haven't been cheap for a while now...
6100 EURO for the Norco Sight A1? Holy shit, it retails for $6899 in Canada. That's € 5100...
Shipping, duties and taxes my man. Prolly doesn’t have much to do with Norco actual pricing.
Pricing often errs higher outside of a brand's home market because when they set MSRPs each year, they don't know what currency exchange rates are going to do. There has to be some wiggle room for the foreign currency to lose relative value and not take every bit of profit along with it.
The same Sight A1 was, if I'm not mistaken, 4500 € MSRP in 2020. Exact same spec except for an RC3 shock instead of the Ultimate and e.13 rims instead of Stan's Flows.
I wonder what prices will be like after next year's recession. I really don't see bike sales recovering from the 2022 slump in demand.
This market study seems to contradict what I'm saying, though:
Don't forget the regulation of distributor pricing by the Motherships.
In Korea, bigger brands like Specialized, Trek, and Giant are mostly priced fairly, adding on the tax, shipping, etc... for a roughly 20% price increase. Occasionally, there are bikes that are actually cheaper here. Rare but happens. S-Works Turbo Levo frames were actually cheaper here for over a year.
Now, boutique brands are much more "free" with their pricing policies. A couple of very, very popular boutique brands had distributors that were running unchecked and charging nearly double the price of US MSRP. Their margins per bike/frame were crazy.
Eventually, the motherships came a calling with a lot of questions regarding sales. The distributors claimed the bikes were too expensive, but they had no answers when they were asked about their pricing and margins. So they got slapped and now we have a few boutique brands that are priced reasonably again, while some others are still bonkers
I'm pretty sure normal people are supposed to buy last year's yeti for 30% off and feel like they got a deal.
Glad to see the market rebound. New bike prices like everything are still quite a bit higher than pre covid, but the clearance and used market has returned to pretty reasonable levels.
So you’re saying pricing has increased in the last 3 years…..
Interesting, I lived in S. Korea for a couple years, and found the bigger brands to be wildly priced, anything from Spesh, Trek was outrageous, but could get a Giant for much less. Santa Cruz was popular, and like today, wildly over priced.
Having a high end bike was definitely a flex, with all the team kit to go along with it
bought a Kona hard tail, and raced DH on it, and it was priced reasonably.
the trails in and around Seoul were pretty awesome, I remember them fondly. Along with all the reactions from locals when they saw a bunch of crazy mountain bikers bombing down what were hiking trails.
Hard to predict future demand especially if you're using the pandemic as your growth metric. Would be better if this data set looked back to 2015.