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MPH24 3/9/2015 4:18pm
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Not to be a hater because the YT looks sweet, but does YT just copy Spesh's suspension platforms or is it just me...
marshalolson 3/9/2015 5:22pm
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lister_yu wrote:
öhlins shock mounted to that yellow crc rig?
Hristo_Tanev wrote:
It looks like Cane Creek. However the rear end of the Intense looks a lot like the Santa Cruz' model with carbon/aluminum frame. Like... A lot...
It looks like Cane Creek.

However the rear end of the Intense looks a lot like the Santa Cruz' model with carbon/aluminum frame. Like... A lot! :D
JonnyDH wrote:
Fun Fact: VPP is co-licensed and developed by Santa Cruz and Intense (or at the very least was co-developed as of a few years ago).
Vpp was developed by Outland Bikes in the late 90's and then licensed by Santa Cruz and intense. Neither developed it.
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brimmergj 3/9/2015 5:47pm
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MPH24 wrote:
Not to be a hater because the YT looks sweet, but does YT just copy Spesh's suspension platforms or is it just me...
I think Specialized "borrowed" that platform for a slope bike from Dobermann and their Le Pink.
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Moosey 3/9/2015 10:20pm
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This seems relevant

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lister_yu 3/9/2015 11:23pm
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Moosey wrote:
This seems relevant

it (at least for me) is - thank´s, with that i had a good morning :-)
Hristo_Tanev 3/10/2015 1:01am
3/10/2015 1:01am
Hristo_Tanev wrote:
It looks like Cane Creek. However the rear end of the Intense looks a lot like the Santa Cruz' model with carbon/aluminum frame. Like... A lot...
It looks like Cane Creek.

However the rear end of the Intense looks a lot like the Santa Cruz' model with carbon/aluminum frame. Like... A lot! :D
JonnyDH wrote:
Fun Fact: VPP is co-licensed and developed by Santa Cruz and Intense (or at the very least was co-developed as of a few years ago).
marshalolson wrote:
Vpp was developed by Outland Bikes in the late 90's and then licensed by Santa Cruz and intense. Neither developed it.
@JonnyDH I am aware of that, but still the m9 and v10 were different in a way. Now, the new bike is like a different version of the v10. I'm not hating or smth, just surprised that Intense chose that way.

@marshalolson Yeap, Rob Roskopp buys the patent from Outland Bikes around 1999
danimurillo15 3/10/2015 10:56am
3/10/2015 10:56am
The new Intense m16 in Sant Andreu de la Barca.
Bernat Guardia and Ferran Jorba (Intense Factory Racing)






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xyian 3/10/2015 3:16pm
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For a change...it's an Intense that I actually like! Not normally a fan of their lines but this one looks good.
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Big Bird 3/10/2015 5:57pm
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MPH24 wrote:
Not to be a hater because the YT looks sweet, but does YT just copy Spesh's suspension platforms or is it just me...
brimmergj wrote:
I think Specialized "borrowed" that platform for a slope bike from Dobermann and their Le Pink.
Thumbs Up.
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Big Bird 3/10/2015 6:00pm
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xyian wrote:
For a change...it's an Intense that I actually like! Not normally a fan of their lines but this one looks good.
Agreed. Let's just keep the neon away and all will be good.
fabricedemaere 3/10/2015 11:06pm
3/10/2015 11:06pm
Saw the Athertons riding on duct taped frames in Queenstown, so... Carbon fury?
Hristo_Tanev 3/11/2015 1:07am
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fabricedemaere wrote:
Saw the Athertons riding on duct taped frames in Queenstown, so... Carbon fury?
Or probably the frames are snapped and the duck tape holds everything together? (kidding)
However, it will be a strange move for Gt to go back to carbon after their explanations how the alu frame weights less and so on. So... New frame from scratch?
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LTrumpore 3/11/2015 1:24am
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fabricedemaere wrote:
Saw the Athertons riding on duct taped frames in Queenstown, so... Carbon fury?
Hristo_Tanev wrote:
Or probably the frames are snapped and the duck tape holds everything together? (kidding) However, it will be a strange move for Gt to go back...
Or probably the frames are snapped and the duck tape holds everything together? (kidding)
However, it will be a strange move for Gt to go back to carbon after their explanations how the alu frame weights less and so on. So... New frame from scratch?
Aluminum is always better when you don't have a carbon version to sell Wink

With the 650b debate done and dusted for DH racing I'd expect a few more carbon frames showing up this season
onenerdykid* 3/11/2015 2:28am
3/11/2015 2:28am
danimurillo15 wrote:
The new Intense m16 in Sant Andreu de la Barca. Bernat Guardia and Ferran Jorba (Intense Factory Racing) [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2015/03/10/2065/s1200_image.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2015/03/10/2066/s1200_image.jpg[/img]
The new Intense m16 in Sant Andreu de la Barca.
Bernat Guardia and Ferran Jorba (Intense Factory Racing)






So is this how people will be getting a V10 in aluminum? Wink Obviously there are differences between the two (which I am sure the internet experts will jump all over), but the lines are getting pretty blurry now.
onenerdykid* 3/11/2015 2:30am
3/11/2015 2:30am
fabricedemaere wrote:
Saw the Athertons riding on duct taped frames in Queenstown, so... Carbon fury?
Hristo_Tanev wrote:
Or probably the frames are snapped and the duck tape holds everything together? (kidding) However, it will be a strange move for Gt to go back...
Or probably the frames are snapped and the duck tape holds everything together? (kidding)
However, it will be a strange move for Gt to go back to carbon after their explanations how the alu frame weights less and so on. So... New frame from scratch?
LTrumpore wrote:
Aluminum is always better when you don't have a carbon version to sell ;) With the 650b debate done and dusted for DH racing I'd expect...
Aluminum is always better when you don't have a carbon version to sell Wink

With the 650b debate done and dusted for DH racing I'd expect a few more carbon frames showing up this season
Lee's point is spot on. Plus, their alu frame is lighter than the old carbon frame, simply because the carbon frame was super heavy. If the new Fury gets made in carbon, it should be even lighter than the existing alu version. Would look pretty sexy for sure though
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Karabuka 3/11/2015 3:03am
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LTrumpore wrote:
Aluminum is always better when you don't have a carbon version to sell ;) With the 650b debate done and dusted for DH racing I'd expect...
Aluminum is always better when you don't have a carbon version to sell Wink

With the 650b debate done and dusted for DH racing I'd expect a few more carbon frames showing up this season
Actually all the big guns are pretty much set, only GT and Scott are missing carbon dh bike from the big manufacturers, I think (spec, trek, giant, SC, have them). What is missing is De Vinci, NukeProof, which doesnt appear too fond of carbon, Saracen and new Kona maybe...
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Primoz 3/11/2015 7:43am
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I think it's a matter of time for Scott to go carbon,s ince they've been doing carbon since like forever. The thing is that supposedly different groups make the Gambler and Voltage lines as opposed to all the Genius and XC racing bikes, the latter of which are the carbon bikes.

As for Devinci, i wouldn't be surprised at them staying with alu, since they are not THAT big of a manufacturer (or are they?), but they do have more or less every other frame in a carbon version. So on the other hand i wouldn't be surprised if they did make a carbon Wilson again. But in a year or two.
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MrPrometheus 3/11/2015 7:54am
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LTrumpore wrote:
Aluminum is always better when you don't have a carbon version to sell ;) With the 650b debate done and dusted for DH racing I'd expect...
Aluminum is always better when you don't have a carbon version to sell Wink

With the 650b debate done and dusted for DH racing I'd expect a few more carbon frames showing up this season
Karabuka wrote:
Actually all the big guns are pretty much set, only GT and Scott are missing carbon dh bike from the big manufacturers, I think (spec, trek...
Actually all the big guns are pretty much set, only GT and Scott are missing carbon dh bike from the big manufacturers, I think (spec, trek, giant, SC, have them). What is missing is De Vinci, NukeProof, which doesnt appear too fond of carbon, Saracen and new Kona maybe...
I know not a "big gun" but Commencal has yet to go carbon. I would assume they have big plans for later this season having home field advantage for World Champs. Will they be bold enough to try carbon or stick with the proven aluminum frame with minor tweaks?
Mo(n)arch 3/11/2015 8:08am
3/11/2015 8:08am Edited Date/Time 3/11/2015 8:10am
There is something new in the box at Commencal:


For comparsion:



But maxbe I am wrong...
Hristo_Tanev 3/11/2015 8:32am
3/11/2015 8:32am
Mo(n)arch wrote:
There is something new in the box at Commencal: [img]http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/27/68fee67587a84d200e282de14faeb314.jpg[/img] For comparsion: [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/users/17625/setup_checks/26392/photos/27320/s1600_IMG_67931.jpg?1406143858[/img] But maxbe I am wrong...
There is something new in the box at Commencal:


For comparsion:



But maxbe I am wrong...
I think you are right! Spot on! The frame is definitely different.
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xyian 3/11/2015 9:44am
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xyian wrote:
For a change...it's an Intense that I actually like! Not normally a fan of their lines but this one looks good.
Big Bird wrote:
Agreed. Let's just keep the neon away and all will be good.
But dayglo is IN at the moment! (unfortunately) The 90's are back!
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Scrub 3/11/2015 10:04am
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danimurillo15 wrote:
The new Intense m16 in Sant Andreu de la Barca. Bernat Guardia and Ferran Jorba (Intense Factory Racing) [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2015/03/10/2065/s1200_image.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2015/03/10/2066/s1200_image.jpg[/img]
The new Intense m16 in Sant Andreu de la Barca.
Bernat Guardia and Ferran Jorba (Intense Factory Racing)






Is it my optical illusionary eyeballs or is Guardia's front tire stuffed up in that Boxxer crown? I know there's a fender on there but it still seems like a tight fit
marshalolson 3/11/2015 10:08am
3/11/2015 10:08am
Scrub wrote:
Is it my optical illusionary eyeballs or is Guardia's front tire stuffed up in that Boxxer crown? I know there's a fender on there but it...
Is it my optical illusionary eyeballs or is Guardia's front tire stuffed up in that Boxxer crown? I know there's a fender on there but it still seems like a tight fit
its the next size bigger wheel -- 700c
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Primoz 3/11/2015 11:34am
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I'd say it's the fender not conforming to the arch and being longer, therefore not showing the gap with light.

Commencal are sticking with aluminium, they've said it's cheaper and that carbon is not worth the bother for a company their size and that aluminium is good enough. They used to have carbon Meta 5.5s and swingarms on the 5.5 and 6 (plus a hardtail), but that was it, the V3 (second gen basicly) Meta was all ALU, V4 is as well.

As for the Supreme frame, maybe it's different, but the architecture is the same as far as i can see.
Ham Billy 3/11/2015 11:58am
3/11/2015 11:58am Edited Date/Time 3/11/2015 12:04pm
The new Nukeproof



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depeche4 3/11/2015 12:44pm
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Ham Billy wrote:
The new Nukeproof .....[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2015/03/11/2067/s1200_11041739_789713027778098_840585897497003812_n.jpg[/img]
The new Nukeproof



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who is that on it?

Figure the main guys would have got the new bike before anyone else. We shall see if Sam shows to the nationals this weekend if he is on something new.

dave
Hyperpower! 3/11/2015 12:46pm
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Elliot Heap, the new adition to the CRC/Paypal team.

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