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12/11/2020 5:14am
You have to imagine that as long as Greg is on syndicate and keeps being a top 10 racer, it's a hard sell to bring in another WC winning rider. Being a top 10 rider and playing second fiddle to a guy twice your age who can still kick your ass on any given day probably isn't something most of them want to participate in.
At least in the Peaty/Greg era, I figure the syndicate is a development team to take a top 30 riders into top 10 riders. Sure worked for Ratboy and Loris, and Luca's on his way in up as well.
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C-LION wrote:
So to sum up: - Danny to Cube (very likely) - Loris to Trek (likely) or Specialized (not likely IMO, as he wanted to get away...
So to sum up:
- Danny to Cube (very likely)
- Loris to Trek (likely) or Specialized (not likely IMO, as he wanted to get away from Loic)
- Angel to the Syndicate (possible)
- Charlie to YT or to the Syndicate?

What are your thoughts?
LLLLL wrote:
So what suspension is trek running next year, fox or olins ?
They certainly will stay with SRAM/RS
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manulougi wrote:
Angel to commencal almost confirmed, he was already seen riding one, so expect that. Also vergier to specialized very likely as you can see: [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2020/12/11/10166/s1200_Screenshot_2020_12_11_13_45_51.jpg[/img]
Angel to commencal almost confirmed, he was already seen riding one, so expect that.
Also vergier to specialized very likely as you can see:

Muc-off or 100% Commencal? Would be surprised tbh, but let’s see. Both teams in my opinion have great riders under contract, and I can‘t see one of them leaving.
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12/11/2020 6:06am
C-LION wrote:
If Loris moves to Trek, who of the current riders will leave? Reece is confirmed already. Hard to believe that Ethan will leave while Andrew is...
If Loris moves to Trek, who of the current riders will leave? Reece is confirmed already. Hard to believe that Ethan will leave while Andrew is managing the team. Kade is good racer and an incredible bike rider in general, so Trek would be silly to let him go. And Charlie is an excellent racer as well, but if I would have to put my money on who will leave Trek, it would be him. Can’t see them to have 5 top riders...
Weren't there rumors about Kade leaving the racing fraction? Do there would be a spot?
Can trek afford all 3 after A world champs win. I know reece’s contract forced an extension and perhaps at a fair raise. Loris and kade are two of the hottest riders in the mtb scene especially with kade getting a red Bull helmet. (Won’t need to rely on his Instagram presence or world cups for media coverage)

So maybe kade is off the team not because trek wants him but instead they can’t afford another brand’s offer due to loris and Reece. Even with no kade it’s not like trek is missing out huge based on their c3 program and other big sponsorships. Kade may be better valued by another company with a lower stock in top talent.
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C-LION wrote:
If Loris moves to Trek, who of the current riders will leave? Reece is confirmed already. Hard to believe that Ethan will leave while Andrew is...
If Loris moves to Trek, who of the current riders will leave? Reece is confirmed already. Hard to believe that Ethan will leave while Andrew is managing the team. Kade is good racer and an incredible bike rider in general, so Trek would be silly to let him go. And Charlie is an excellent racer as well, but if I would have to put my money on who will leave Trek, it would be him. Can’t see them to have 5 top riders...
Weren't there rumors about Kade leaving the racing fraction? Do there would be a spot?
Can trek afford all 3 after A world champs win. I know reece’s contract forced an extension and perhaps at a fair raise. Loris and kade...
Can trek afford all 3 after A world champs win. I know reece’s contract forced an extension and perhaps at a fair raise. Loris and kade are two of the hottest riders in the mtb scene especially with kade getting a red Bull helmet. (Won’t need to rely on his Instagram presence or world cups for media coverage)

So maybe kade is off the team not because trek wants him but instead they can’t afford another brand’s offer due to loris and Reece. Even with no kade it’s not like trek is missing out huge based on their c3 program and other big sponsorships. Kade may be better valued by another company with a lower stock in top talent.
Very good point indeed.
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Emily batty confirmed moving on.
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12/11/2020 6:51am Edited Date/Time 12/11/2020 6:54am
Weren't there rumors about Kade leaving the racing fraction? Do there would be a spot?
Can trek afford all 3 after A world champs win. I know reece’s contract forced an extension and perhaps at a fair raise. Loris and kade...
Can trek afford all 3 after A world champs win. I know reece’s contract forced an extension and perhaps at a fair raise. Loris and kade are two of the hottest riders in the mtb scene especially with kade getting a red Bull helmet. (Won’t need to rely on his Instagram presence or world cups for media coverage)

So maybe kade is off the team not because trek wants him but instead they can’t afford another brand’s offer due to loris and Reece. Even with no kade it’s not like trek is missing out huge based on their c3 program and other big sponsorships. Kade may be better valued by another company with a lower stock in top talent.
C-LION wrote:
Very good point indeed.
Kade said in a podcast last week he's still with Trek for another year. So if anyone is moving off trek it's Charlie Harrison.

I can't really see loris going back to specialized he left that team once already.
As for screen shots of teams he follows... He also follows 100% mucoff as well so...
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Weren't there rumors about Kade leaving the racing fraction? Do there would be a spot?
Can trek afford all 3 after A world champs win. I know reece’s contract forced an extension and perhaps at a fair raise. Loris and kade...
Can trek afford all 3 after A world champs win. I know reece’s contract forced an extension and perhaps at a fair raise. Loris and kade are two of the hottest riders in the mtb scene especially with kade getting a red Bull helmet. (Won’t need to rely on his Instagram presence or world cups for media coverage)

So maybe kade is off the team not because trek wants him but instead they can’t afford another brand’s offer due to loris and Reece. Even with no kade it’s not like trek is missing out huge based on their c3 program and other big sponsorships. Kade may be better valued by another company with a lower stock in top talent.
C-LION wrote:
Very good point indeed.
I don’t think kade will be off this year anyway, when Reece re-signed he commended this.

I think Charlie Harrison will be off, that’s my gut feeling anyway, if loris goes Trek that is.

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Emily batty confirmed moving on. [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2020/12/11/10167/s1200_Screenshot_20201211_064503.jpg[/img]
Emily batty confirmed moving on.
On her Instagram page the only bike company she follows is Canyon.
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12/11/2020 7:07am Edited Date/Time 12/11/2020 7:08am
LLLLL wrote:
So what suspension is trek running next year, fox or olins ?
What makes you think it's not Rockshox? It did look like Loris was saying goodbye to Jordi in that Syndicate vid.
I just don’t feel there not into the details as much as fox are, and Loris seems pretty picky.
I suppose the 4x or 5x his salary.
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12/11/2020 7:18am
Specialized Gravity IG commented on Loris's page.. looks like he is officially back on the Demo and Öhlins!
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Emily batty confirmed moving on. [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2020/12/11/10167/s1200_Screenshot_20201211_064503.jpg[/img]
Emily batty confirmed moving on.
On her Instagram page the only bike company she follows is Canyon.
The writing was on the wall when Trek brought in Neff. Canyon could work... 🤔
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12/11/2020 7:34am Edited Date/Time 12/11/2020 7:36am
LLLLL wrote:
So what suspension is trek running next year, fox or olins ?
What makes you think it's not Rockshox? It did look like Loris was saying goodbye to Jordi in that Syndicate vid.
LLLLL wrote:
I just don’t feel there not into the details as much as fox are, and Loris seems pretty picky. I suppose the 4x or 5x his...
I just don’t feel there not into the details as much as fox are, and Loris seems pretty picky.
I suppose the 4x or 5x his salary.
Just because RS don't have a YouTube video series with a guy in a sprinter van and a friendly dude in his backyard doesn't mean RS doesn't care about the details.
There are plenty of riders on the circuit running RS who demand the same if not more from their suspension. Let's not forget Amaury Pierron absolutely killed everyone two years ago aboard a bike with RS on it and I don't feel the suspension was holding him back.
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12/11/2020 7:44am
Sliding Kade to a C3 spot would make total sense for Trek.. Let him kinda do what he wants.. Of he wants to race, he can.. He wants to burn park laps and jump, he can.. He'll still bring attention to all of his sponsors..
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12/11/2020 7:53am Edited Date/Time 12/11/2020 7:56am
well, this thread's been really slow hasn't it?? Sad
danposs86 wrote:
Happy now?
Loving it!

I know this is of no concern to teams, but, first the rat and now loris.. I don't think there's a rider, as of today, without a contract that can fills Loris' shoes.. he's overcome Danny and is far better than Angel or Phil, and they're stablished riders as well.. don't the think "development team" applies to any of them nor I think they're looking fomr something like that, I mean Angel already did that with Gwin.. It'd be sick if the would take on a young lad like Jamie Edmonson and develop the heck out of him.. that would be some serious development

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What makes you think it's not Rockshox? It did look like Loris was saying goodbye to Jordi in that Syndicate vid.
LLLLL wrote:
I just don’t feel there not into the details as much as fox are, and Loris seems pretty picky. I suppose the 4x or 5x his...
I just don’t feel there not into the details as much as fox are, and Loris seems pretty picky.
I suppose the 4x or 5x his salary.
Just because RS don't have a YouTube video series with a guy in a sprinter van and a friendly dude in his backyard doesn't mean RS...
Just because RS don't have a YouTube video series with a guy in a sprinter van and a friendly dude in his backyard doesn't mean RS doesn't care about the details.
There are plenty of riders on the circuit running RS who demand the same if not more from their suspension. Let's not forget Amaury Pierron absolutely killed everyone two years ago aboard a bike with RS on it and I don't feel the suspension was holding him back.
Were they at the races this year, pretty sure the didn’t go due to covid. Olins too. plus they only do Mtb no other motorsports so they can’t have the same dataset to work from.
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12/11/2020 7:58am
I've been thinking Loris to Canyon.
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There is a comment on Lori's instagram post from Spesh Gravity saying "Welcome Back Home".
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12/11/2020 8:05am Edited Date/Time 12/11/2020 8:08am
LLLLL wrote:
I just don’t feel there not into the details as much as fox are, and Loris seems pretty picky. I suppose the 4x or 5x his...
I just don’t feel there not into the details as much as fox are, and Loris seems pretty picky.
I suppose the 4x or 5x his salary.
Just because RS don't have a YouTube video series with a guy in a sprinter van and a friendly dude in his backyard doesn't mean RS...
Just because RS don't have a YouTube video series with a guy in a sprinter van and a friendly dude in his backyard doesn't mean RS doesn't care about the details.
There are plenty of riders on the circuit running RS who demand the same if not more from their suspension. Let's not forget Amaury Pierron absolutely killed everyone two years ago aboard a bike with RS on it and I don't feel the suspension was holding him back.
LLLLL wrote:
Were they at the races this year, pretty sure the didn’t go due to covid. Olins too. plus they only do Mtb no other motorsports so...
Were they at the races this year, pretty sure the didn’t go due to covid. Olins too. plus they only do Mtb no other motorsports so they can’t have the same dataset to work from.
Sram provide a full package more often than not, bikes will come will full sram components, having that constant must help with data collection,
Knowing every bike has the same brakes and drivetrain.
They also really only provide a few teams with support, so it’s less frames to collect data on?
While fox and ohlins are general suspension who have a wide knowledge base it could be said that sram are MTB specialists.

They own shockwiz and have produced MTB suspension for decades, I’m sure their engineers are pretty capable dudes.

I just don’t think unless a ride has a real particular preference for a brand it makes a difference, the support element is irrelevant as I’m sure they are just as good.
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12/11/2020 8:10am
LLLLL wrote:
I just don’t feel there not into the details as much as fox are, and Loris seems pretty picky. I suppose the 4x or 5x his...
I just don’t feel there not into the details as much as fox are, and Loris seems pretty picky.
I suppose the 4x or 5x his salary.
Just because RS don't have a YouTube video series with a guy in a sprinter van and a friendly dude in his backyard doesn't mean RS...
Just because RS don't have a YouTube video series with a guy in a sprinter van and a friendly dude in his backyard doesn't mean RS doesn't care about the details.
There are plenty of riders on the circuit running RS who demand the same if not more from their suspension. Let's not forget Amaury Pierron absolutely killed everyone two years ago aboard a bike with RS on it and I don't feel the suspension was holding him back.
LLLLL wrote:
Were they at the races this year, pretty sure the didn’t go due to covid. Olins too. plus they only do Mtb no other motorsports so...
Were they at the races this year, pretty sure the didn’t go due to covid. Olins too. plus they only do Mtb no other motorsports so they can’t have the same dataset to work from.
The same data set that brought us Live valve? Cause that doesn't seem to have translated from motor sports to Bikes as well as they were hoping lol.

I understand where you are coming from and what you are saying but this whole narrative I keep seeing in the forum's that FOX is the only company the bleeds racing and that Loris would be doing himself a disservice moving to something else is just silly talk.

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12/11/2020 8:13am
There is a comment on Lori's instagram post from Spesh Gravity saying "Welcome Back Home".
Well that would be pretty damn cool to see loris and loic together again.
12/11/2020 8:14am
Just because RS don't have a YouTube video series with a guy in a sprinter van and a friendly dude in his backyard doesn't mean RS...
Just because RS don't have a YouTube video series with a guy in a sprinter van and a friendly dude in his backyard doesn't mean RS doesn't care about the details.
There are plenty of riders on the circuit running RS who demand the same if not more from their suspension. Let's not forget Amaury Pierron absolutely killed everyone two years ago aboard a bike with RS on it and I don't feel the suspension was holding him back.
LLLLL wrote:
Were they at the races this year, pretty sure the didn’t go due to covid. Olins too. plus they only do Mtb no other motorsports so...
Were they at the races this year, pretty sure the didn’t go due to covid. Olins too. plus they only do Mtb no other motorsports so they can’t have the same dataset to work from.
The same data set that brought us Live valve? Cause that doesn't seem to have translated from motor sports to Bikes as well as they were...
The same data set that brought us Live valve? Cause that doesn't seem to have translated from motor sports to Bikes as well as they were hoping lol.

I understand where you are coming from and what you are saying but this whole narrative I keep seeing in the forum's that FOX is the only company the bleeds racing and that Loris would be doing himself a disservice moving to something else is just silly talk.

Or fox’s marketing as a premium brand working if you want to look at it that way.
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stedaly87 wrote:
Sram provide a full package more often than not, bikes will come will full sram components, having that constant must help with data collection, Knowing every...
Sram provide a full package more often than not, bikes will come will full sram components, having that constant must help with data collection,
Knowing every bike has the same brakes and drivetrain.
They also really only provide a few teams with support, so it’s less frames to collect data on?
While fox and ohlins are general suspension who have a wide knowledge base it could be said that sram are MTB specialists.

They own shockwiz and have produced MTB suspension for decades, I’m sure their engineers are pretty capable dudes.

I just don’t think unless a ride has a real particular preference for a brand it makes a difference, the support element is irrelevant as I’m sure they are just as good.
The quality of stock tunes on retail forks have little to nothing to do with what these riders get. If Loris likes a lot of compression damping, he can have that with a custom tune on any fork mfg in the world cup. the damping in all these forks works the same way, and can be tuned to feel the same. especially when you get into the realm of being able to make custom dampers and air springs. RS might get sued if they cloned a fox damper for sale, but there's nothing against the law if they cloned a fox damper, or heck, even just bought a 40, pulled the damper, and put it in their chassis.

Worth mentioning, however, that this wasn't always true. there was a time when brands were using dampers that worked completely differently from each other. but now, they are all essentially the same damper style.
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12/11/2020 8:22am
Does seem like a done deal?
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Here is the proof of specialized comment
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I'm going to say it is a troll
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groghunter wrote:
The quality of stock tunes on retail forks have little to nothing to do with what these riders get. If Loris likes a lot of compression...
The quality of stock tunes on retail forks have little to nothing to do with what these riders get. If Loris likes a lot of compression damping, he can have that with a custom tune on any fork mfg in the world cup. the damping in all these forks works the same way, and can be tuned to feel the same. especially when you get into the realm of being able to make custom dampers and air springs. RS might get sued if they cloned a fox damper for sale, but there's nothing against the law if they cloned a fox damper, or heck, even just bought a 40, pulled the damper, and put it in their chassis.

Worth mentioning, however, that this wasn't always true. there was a time when brands were using dampers that worked completely differently from each other. but now, they are all essentially the same damper style.
I never suggested riders have off the shelves stock tunes on suspension???
Just that sram are more than capable of data collection, and will no doubt have highly competent suspension design and maintenance engineers with the brand having decades of experience in design and racing.
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12/11/2020 8:41am
If Loris is going to spes again, will it be a 3 spot team or will Finn move on?
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12/11/2020 8:44am
Anyone know if Joe Breeden's signing with Polygon UR was just a one year deal, seeing how late in the season it came around last time? If I remember right it looked as if him and Minaar were riding together quite a bit at the last few races.
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groghunter wrote:
The quality of stock tunes on retail forks have little to nothing to do with what these riders get. If Loris likes a lot of compression...
The quality of stock tunes on retail forks have little to nothing to do with what these riders get. If Loris likes a lot of compression damping, he can have that with a custom tune on any fork mfg in the world cup. the damping in all these forks works the same way, and can be tuned to feel the same. especially when you get into the realm of being able to make custom dampers and air springs. RS might get sued if they cloned a fox damper for sale, but there's nothing against the law if they cloned a fox damper, or heck, even just bought a 40, pulled the damper, and put it in their chassis.

Worth mentioning, however, that this wasn't always true. there was a time when brands were using dampers that worked completely differently from each other. but now, they are all essentially the same damper style.
stedaly87 wrote:
I never suggested riders have off the shelves stock tunes on suspension??? Just that sram are more than capable of data collection, and will no doubt...
I never suggested riders have off the shelves stock tunes on suspension???
Just that sram are more than capable of data collection, and will no doubt have highly competent suspension design and maintenance engineers with the brand having decades of experience in design and racing.
apologies if i was unclear, i was amplifying your point, not arguing against it.
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