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Someone should make a long and slack road bike!
https://www.evil-bikes.com/a/bikes/chamois-hagar
I had one of those Wilsons, great bike. Before that I had a Rotec RL9 that had a Lawill design. That thing was amazing. Axle path was strait vertical and then went backward for the last few inches of travel. I had a short stroke shock which took it from 9” to about 8” and a -1 degree angles set. Looking back geometry was pretty dialed but I think I loved that bike so much because I owned it from 22-28 and rode the crap out of it with out a care in the world.
Plus the fact that a smaller wheel with the same BB height will have a higher geometric (disregarding the effects of the chain pull) antisquat component than a larger wheel, again because of the pivot placement and the swingarm orientation.
The differences are small and not catastrophic, clearly, but are present.
I was trying to say that a byproduct of a longer rear center would be better climbing. Also theres no reason why you cant have both steep sta's and long cs'.
As for skis, as far as I'm informed, DIN bindings perform better for skiing and are safer for the knees/legs (skis popping off the boots), yet everybody now skis with Dynafit style bindings. Because they are much lighter and give a better walking geometry. So yeah, skis are optimized for going up. And you also have split boards, which also suffer in torsional rigidity, but outperform a standard snowboard going up by miles.
As for people in bike parks and their bike of choice: The majority of people (at least here) bring their enduro bikes, which I assume they also pedal up when not in the park. I’d say that the percentage of dh bikes the last few years in my local park is around 25 if not less.
This is what I meant.
Looked up the terminology (I'm not into ski touring yet and not as well versed as in mountainbiking, so please excuse my ignorance), I'm talking about frame bindings vs. tech bindings for touring. So the frame binding went the way of the dodo. Because weight (and if I'm not mistaken geometry as well, as the pivot point is further forward). Therefore it's an uphill optimisation. That's my point.
I still say if a bike is designed to be pedalled around, it should work well in that scenario. Park laps are an extension of the intention of a bike like that and most people still use them to pedal around. And in that case the time spent going up is still the majority.
And to cross over to the ski area again, you can do laps on your touring gear. But anyone serious about freeriding inbounds will use skis with full on bindings, not tech bindings (park bike analogy). How many people still buy frame bindings to cover both areas?
Anyways, I hope more brands follow suit to norco and forbidden with size specific chainstay lenghts.
I think it will take a few brave individuals like Chris Porter, Paul Aston, Isaac Levisson(sic) and the Grim Donut guys to prove that the more extreme geometry works for racing and going fast.
As for 61° head angles... I'm not entirely sure it will be doable with current PTFE bushings in forks. Plus it might work fine for racing, but I'm also not entirely sure it's the best thing for all terrains and people, kinda going against what Paul said in his bike check.
Where are the standards upon the places these bikes would be ridden?
Since there are no rules as in that sacred-arguement that pins DH, or XC, or even Road, as two-wheeled heir-apparent to FiA FormulaOne glory, the standardization of terrain would be the 'need' for such the 'want'.
Of which there's none and, eroding soil is not anything to base a complete dumping of convention. Instead, it's just going to be left to the good 'ol Internet and 'Dash Riprock' w/ his 14000 posts in 1 3/4 years vs. 'Kitchner Leslie' and his 47 posts in 6 months as to what is the urgent need. No Professionals, Race Organizers or Sanctioning Bodies saying enuff's enuff.
Say little Billy Boinger wanders into city traffic on his Grom Unit Sparkler version and endos into the path of a 3 ton City Bus at 40mph because the bike would not steer, we're all fucked by an Ham Sandwich served an Indictment over careless/negligent product.
If such a bumblefuck contraption is all that's going to appease and get tham clicks... take up skiing. It's all downhill, and a Potty at the end.
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