EWS Doping Thread Disappearance

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YBO 11/18/2018 1:10am
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jeanphilippe.simard.33 wrote:
From left to right:
Martin Maes
Greg Callaghan
Ruchie Rude
Jared Graves (sitting on the floor on the right)
mfoga wrote:
Think he means the second photo.
twestengineering wrote:
So, If I'm counting correctly, there were 7 different dudes that got tested at this round. Right?
According to the Endurotribe website, around 15 riders have been tested.
Normally the riders of the podium are tested, men and women, can be also the winners of other categories (U21, Masters) and riders drawn lots. Remember that a rider who does not show up for a test can also be investigated.
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dakine69 11/18/2018 1:15am
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jeanphilippe.simard.33 wrote:
From left to right:
Martin Maes
Greg Callaghan
Ruchie Rude
Jared Graves (sitting on the floor on the right)
mfoga wrote:
Think he means the second photo.
twestengineering wrote:
So, If I'm counting correctly, there were 7 different dudes that got tested at this round. Right?
left on the floor is adrien dailly, the guy next to greg callaghan i do not know.
Hyperpower! 11/18/2018 4:27am
11/18/2018 4:27am
Seems to be José Borges from the BH - Miranda Team.
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tmano2 11/18/2018 5:11am
11/18/2018 5:11am Edited Date/Time 11/18/2018 5:33am
Hyperpower! wrote:
Seems to be José Borges from the BH - Miranda Team.
it is
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Stiksandstones 11/19/2018 7:08pm
11/19/2018 7:08pm
I got 7 down votes for asking who the riders in the pic are, impressive. Can I get 8?
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Forked Tongue 11/20/2018 12:10am
11/20/2018 12:10am
Stiksandstones wrote:
I got 7 down votes for asking who the riders in the pic are, impressive. Can I get 8?
Hahah... how can you get down votes for asking who the people were that got tested!!??

Such reaction to even asking who the riders in the photo are reinforces my beliefs that the riders never get named and shamed, and also that I don’t believe that the EWS have the balls to do so (if they are guilty of course). Though actions of the past do support this.

Don’t understand what the enduro community have against ousting cheats
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Oz_Taylor 11/20/2018 1:34am
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Stiksandstones wrote:
I got 7 down votes for asking who the riders in the pic are, impressive. Can I get 8?
Ha ha maybe it's because you only recognised the American :-)

I gave you a thumbs up for unashamed nationalism.

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csermonet 11/20/2018 9:45am
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Stiksandstones wrote:
I got 7 down votes for asking who the riders in the pic are, impressive. Can I get 8?
Oz_Taylor wrote:
Ha ha maybe it's because you only recognised the American :-)

I gave you a thumbs up for unashamed nationalism.

how dare a guy only recognize the riders that he sees the most.
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Oz_Taylor 11/20/2018 10:38am
11/20/2018 10:38am Edited Date/Time 11/20/2018 10:39am
Stiksandstones wrote:
I got 7 down votes for asking who the riders in the pic are, impressive. Can I get 8?
Oz_Taylor wrote:
Ha ha maybe it's because you only recognised the American :-)

I gave you a thumbs up for unashamed nationalism.

csermonet wrote:
how dare a guy only recognize the riders that he sees the most.
That was kind of my point.

But I live in Sweden. I don't recognise any of those guys.
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csermonet 11/20/2018 10:43am
11/20/2018 10:43am
Oz_Taylor wrote:
Ha ha maybe it's because you only recognised the American :-)

I gave you a thumbs up for unashamed nationalism.

csermonet wrote:
how dare a guy only recognize the riders that he sees the most.
Oz_Taylor wrote:
That was kind of my point.

But I live in Sweden. I don't recognise any of those guys.
I misread your comment, looks like we agree with each other haha oops
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casey79 11/20/2018 2:51pm
11/20/2018 2:51pm Edited Date/Time 11/20/2018 2:57pm
Stiksandstones wrote:
I got 7 down votes for asking who the riders in the pic are, impressive. Can I get 8?
Oz_Taylor wrote:
Ha ha maybe it's because you only recognised the American :-)

I gave you a thumbs up for unashamed nationalism.

csermonet wrote:
how dare a guy only recognize the riders that he sees the most.
Craig Stikman Glaspell is one of the most influential people in the mtb industry. Ex GT world cup mechanic from the mid 90's and been involved in the industry ever since. Last 8 years has been with troy lee designs (current role is Global Category Director / Bicycle).

If anyone should be able to name a pro level rider from anywhere in the world its Stickman.
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Stiksandstones 11/25/2018 8:23pm
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Oz_Taylor wrote:
Ha ha maybe it's because you only recognised the American :-)

I gave you a thumbs up for unashamed nationalism.

csermonet wrote:
how dare a guy only recognize the riders that he sees the most.
casey79 wrote:
Craig Stikman Glaspell is one of the most influential people in the mtb industry. Ex GT world cup mechanic from the mid 90's and been involved...
Craig Stikman Glaspell is one of the most influential people in the mtb industry. Ex GT world cup mechanic from the mid 90's and been involved in the industry ever since. Last 8 years has been with troy lee designs (current role is Global Category Director / Bicycle).

If anyone should be able to name a pro level rider from anywhere in the world its Stickman.
Not too sure about influential, and giving me too much credit to recognize riders, that are out of their gear, in a side profile shot, lo-res, dimly lit, hallway photo, on the internet....And, I also recognize Richie, because I knew he won that race and I don't remember what the podium was there.
Anyway, i'm glad we have shifted the focus of the thread to my nationalism hahaha.
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Karabuka 11/26/2018 12:20am
11/26/2018 12:20am
Pinkbike just posted whole story, its Rude and Graves who failed the test...
willsmooth18 11/26/2018 12:43am
11/26/2018 12:43am Edited Date/Time 11/26/2018 12:56am
...it's AT LEAST Rude and Graves who failed the test.

"They say that their failed tests were due to accidental ingestion." No comment on that..
iceman2058 11/26/2018 1:15am
11/26/2018 1:15am Edited Date/Time 11/26/2018 9:01am
According to an article published on Pinkbike this morning, Richie Rude and Jared Graves have tested positive for Higenamine and Oxilofrine at the Olargues round of the EWS.

Higenamine is a drug used to treat asthma. It works by relaxing the muscles around the airways to let the lungs take in more oxygen. Oxilofrine is an amphetamine-based stimulant that increases alertness and focus.

The riders claim to have ingested the drugs accidentally. We do not at this point know the final outcome, nor do we know what sanctions might be imposed by the EWS.
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Verbl Kint 11/26/2018 1:35am
11/26/2018 1:35am Edited Date/Time 11/26/2018 9:32am
Riders who are confirmed to have been tested at the event:

• Greg Callaghan
• Adrien Dailly
• Jose Borges
• Martin Maes
• Jared Graves
• Richie Rude

Those in italics confirmed to PB that there were "Adverse Analytical Findings" from the test.

That leaves three riders who have not been named as having been tested.

Edited by mod for clarity
Forked Tongue 11/26/2018 1:43am
11/26/2018 1:43am
accidental ingestion of banned substances.... hahahahaha last time I looked those two were professional athletes paid $$$$$$$ if that was even remotely believable, you know the rules! So you should know what you are eating... #no1bullsh!t
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T-Dawg 11/26/2018 1:53am
11/26/2018 1:53am Edited Date/Time 11/26/2018 1:56am
I bet Richie Rude was juiced to the gills...... Pinch
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dakine69 11/26/2018 2:04am
11/26/2018 2:04am
Verbl Kint wrote:
Riders who are confirmed to have been tested at the event: • Greg Callaghan • Adrien Dailly • Jose Borges • Martin Maes [i]• Jared Graves...
Riders who are confirmed to have been tested at the event:

• Greg Callaghan
• Adrien Dailly
• Jose Borges
• Martin Maes
• Jared Graves
• Richie Rude

Those in italics confirmed to PB that there were "Adverse Analytical Findings" from the test.

That leaves three riders who have not been named as having been tested.

Edited by mod for clarity
why should they have been named if they are negative?
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tmano2 11/26/2018 3:30am
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Verbl Kint wrote:
Riders who are confirmed to have been tested at the event: • Greg Callaghan • Adrien Dailly • Jose Borges • Martin Maes [i]• Jared Graves...
Riders who are confirmed to have been tested at the event:

• Greg Callaghan
• Adrien Dailly
• Jose Borges
• Martin Maes
• Jared Graves
• Richie Rude

Those in italics confirmed to PB that there were "Adverse Analytical Findings" from the test.

That leaves three riders who have not been named as having been tested.

Edited by mod for clarity
dakine69 wrote:
why should they have been named if they are negative?
so that you know all the names of the ones that have been tested.
when someone reviles the other 3 names you won't have confusion of who you knew already
Forked Tongue 11/26/2018 4:34am
11/26/2018 4:34am Edited Date/Time 11/26/2018 4:36am
Wonder if they could spin high testosterone levels, as I crashed in to a bull and accidentally swallowed one of his bollocks!?
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rugbyred 11/26/2018 5:49am
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Forked Tongue wrote:
Wonder if they could spin high testosterone levels, as I crashed in to a bull and accidentally swallowed one of his bollocks!?
There was a woman a few years ago that used the excuse that she swallowed to much semen and that was the cause of her positive test. I believe it was in the CrossFit realm.
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Verbl Kint 11/26/2018 5:55am
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Verbl Kint wrote:
Riders who are confirmed to have been tested at the event: • Greg Callaghan • Adrien Dailly • Jose Borges • Martin Maes [i]• Jared Graves...
Riders who are confirmed to have been tested at the event:

• Greg Callaghan
• Adrien Dailly
• Jose Borges
• Martin Maes
• Jared Graves
• Richie Rude

Those in italics confirmed to PB that there were "Adverse Analytical Findings" from the test.

That leaves three riders who have not been named as having been tested.

Edited by mod for clarity
Just to be clear, the PB article mentioned that Borges, Callaghan, Daily, and Maes did NOT report being contacted re: any AAF result.
Shartriloquist 11/26/2018 5:58am
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Forked Tongue wrote:
Wonder if they could spin high testosterone levels, as I crashed in to a bull and accidentally swallowed one of his bollocks!?
With the right PR team, probably. However, so far, the two compounds they (Rude and Graves) have indicated as being positive in their tests were higenamine and oxilofrine which are in-and-of-themselves not positive indicators of of any type of testosterone doping.
Forked Tongue 11/26/2018 6:03am
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Forked Tongue wrote:
Wonder if they could spin high testosterone levels, as I crashed in to a bull and accidentally swallowed one of his bollocks!?
Shartriloquist wrote:
With the right PR team, probably. However, so far, the two compounds they (Rude and Graves) have indicated as being positive in their tests were higenamine...
With the right PR team, probably. However, so far, the two compounds they (Rude and Graves) have indicated as being positive in their tests were higenamine and oxilofrine which are in-and-of-themselves not positive indicators of of any type of testosterone doping.
My post was a joke... however the interviews on pb are a bigger joke... Harry Potter is a more believable story... but anyway lads... I suppose if you keep saying it enough you might even believe it yourselves
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GA902 11/26/2018 6:34am
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Based on Brock Tickle's experience, Red Bull should be terminating Rude's contract. Sounds like he's out based on his interview if you read between the lines
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jimmypop 11/26/2018 7:36am
11/26/2018 7:36am Edited Date/Time 11/26/2018 7:55am
These guys have been able to push the boundaries with PEDs for a few years in EWS, but both Graves and Rude have been in UCI events for a long time so you'd think they'd understand the testing criteria with the UCI now involved.

Like someone once said, getting caught doping in cycling is more of an IQ test than anything.

Edit: I was at a race in 2011 where I saw two donwhill riders mixing supplements and a part of their conversation with each other led me to believe that they ride the line with supplements just like many other top-level professional athletes.
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Sheppy Wong 11/26/2018 7:38am
11/26/2018 7:38am
Wow mega_bummer.
Hollywood Gainey 11/26/2018 7:48am
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jimmypop wrote:
These guys have been able to push the boundaries with PEDs for a few years in EWS, but both Graves and Rude have been in UCI...
These guys have been able to push the boundaries with PEDs for a few years in EWS, but both Graves and Rude have been in UCI events for a long time so you'd think they'd understand the testing criteria with the UCI now involved.

Like someone once said, getting caught doping in cycling is more of an IQ test than anything.

Edit: I was at a race in 2011 where I saw two donwhill riders mixing supplements and a part of their conversation with each other led me to believe that they ride the line with supplements just like many other top-level professional athletes.
This was before UCI was involved with EWS in any way. They professionals have been racing in a lax environment of EWS for a few years now. Not suprised it caught up to them. I'm also not suprised EWS is now working with UCI.
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depeche4 11/26/2018 7:49am
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So which one of these two was the guy all the pro's claim to have been doping for a while?

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