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Catching up on the thread and not to pile on to said dead horse but there is info out there for Athertons (bikes, racing, trees, etc) if you're so inclined. Some interesting reading if you're @jeff.brines geeky. For the record, I like what they're doing, am a big fan, and hope to add one of their bikes to my garage later this year. Atherton Bikes 1, 2 Atherton Racing Dyfi Bike Park Dyfi Timber Company Atherton Group Holdings Tenths Distribution

oh wow, theres probably only 2 people who I would genuinely be offended by getting confused with so I must have phrased that post very poorly sorry....I thought the fact I still acknowledged a good reason why the plot would use sag would be the biggest giveaway? @ebruner your hat is safe!

Where the hell were you when this exact issue with this exact company came up like 7 or 8 years ago? Oh right, I remember, at the local o-ring store.

I prefer the Crab Link. It’s the future obviously. DW spins up designs all the time, and to me they all come across as a good marketing campaign to sell more design. Everything DW is always “better”, and DW is dogmatic that every new product is better than the Crab Link (Horst). Yawn. I like to believe that we’ve finally hit an era in biking where a good design isn’t limited to the patent you hold or the design you licensed. Lots of smart people out there.

Meh, delta link is just linkage ratio manipulation through the dual link system. It created a well crafted LR and progression that was better than most when it came out. Lots of bikes have identical or similar to LR curves now a days. Otherwise it was a single pivot, with inherent design compromises that came from the pivot location. There is a reason his newer systems use dual links, being able to tailor the AS and AR separate from the wheel path, at least IMO as an mech engineer… FWIW: I’ve never spoken to him, it’s just my opinion based...

Fox. Creates larger air chamber. Fills it with grease. Benefits negated.

To mark the official arrival of Crab Link as a thing. I did a thing you can install on your chrome based browser (basically completely 100% stolen from the cloud to butt plugin) I present Horst Link to Crab Link Chrome based plugin! https://github.com/DServy/horst-to-crab See it in action here! Edit: Please, no one actually use this.

That is far more eloquent and clear than I could ever hope to express it. Truly an artist with words.

I for one welcome our new crustacean overlords. TEAM CRAB

New Hei Hei looks like a Faux-Crab design…

Sir, this is a wendy's.... But in all seriousness for MI and Specialized is that someone buys the IP from them and then can recoup some of their development costs. The idea there being enough consumers who want suspension data AND are willing to put up with Specialize's BS is a pretty slim market. I'm still super hopeful MI still makes it to market since some bikes just wont work without it due to shock placement.

Yeah crabs are basically the horst link bikes of the animal world. Everything eventually evolves to crab. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcinisation

So kind of like the biological world where everything becomes a crab.