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I read this BR article this morning, and like you said - Jorna's opinions are his own. But I have to disagree with his point of view, simply because his "speed" argument has flaws. The 20mph top speed isn't the problem here - it's proper education of use. An e-bike may share 2 wheels, pedals, handlebars, saddles, and riding position with regular bikes, but because of the electric assist system, new e-bike owners should be instructed and advised on how to properly and safely use it. This falls into that general category of ignorance with regards to e-bikes as a...

I did a little research... the KTM rated at 12hp with a peak rating of 24hp, weighs 245lbs, and isn't limited to 20mph.. A class 1 ebike, less than 1hp, weights around 50lbs, limited to 20mph, and must be pedalled to make it go... The interesting spec... The top of the line Santa Cruz Heckler actually has a MSRP that is higher than the KTM...

Those are out there... They are classified as electric motorcycles... KTM makes a pretty cool one... And if you have ridden an ebike, you would find out you still get a workout... It just doesn't have the same intensity..

It’s not cheating because it’s not a competition right? I put out about 125 Watts on an average steep climb, but I also occasionally have fun on an ebike. Doesn’t feel like cheating at all because I get punished with a 48 lb trail bike on the way down. That’s why I don’t ride ebikes that much. That’s a choice you can make as well, but personally I would rather have options.

Cmon, lets evaluate riders whether they have heart assist, artificial joints etc? Pedal assist is not Even close to motorized bikes, while it does help you to pedal further it will not make you better rider or will not give you still balls to shred downhill 49+Mph, to me it is absolutely equal mtb and emtb

I take wikipedia with a grain of salt, have you ridden a moped? You don't use the pedals to propel it, there for getting the engine started. Maybe if you run out of gas then you would have to use the pedals to propel it but honestly you will go faster if you push it. lol.

I’ve sidestepped trouble by doing three things; 1) I don’t pass people on climbs. I’ll sit for a bit, or go to eco. 2) I don’t climb trails I know I’d never climb on my envirobike. 3) I yield the trail no matter what direction I’m going. I’ve been vibed on theoretical grounds, but never for something I’ve done on the trail. For the vibers, I have only the blank stare. It’s interesting that in a sport where imagery of blown up berms is held in high regard, that trail damage from ebikes is a concern. Downhill, you’ll only damage...

I watched the video a few times. There's a lot said and a lot to address, but I'm going to just respond to the points pointed out by Vital. 1)Do eMTB’s do more damage to trails than regular analog pedal bikes? Joe cites that there has been very little, to no real, research done. While he feels the impact is no different from a regular mountain bike, data talks and BS walks. - The problem is, so many eMTB haters prefer to judge ignorantly than to actually comprehend any data presented to them. A lot of eMTB haters bring up...

To all of you whining about others & how they(or might not use there eBikes)might use there eBikes think how your not out using your pedal/push bike because your here whining about them & your own imaginary concerns of eBikes. Or are you just jealous of them because you can’t afford one of your own? So before the snow happens again I’m heading out for a ride hope you all are having a great weekend get out & ride!

Shhhhh. Nobody shreds

Cheating. This is a sentiment that continues to come up. Why does everybody care or feel like it is cheating? Are they cheating you and your strava times? Do you feel like the e-bike rider is cheating themselves? Or is your ego hurt when you get passed by some fat guy who just got turned into Nino? But if it's a cancer patient, it's now OK? Like wtf, can't you just worry about yourself?

Upon hearing his #4 proposal I will never again purchase a trek product. Shredding is the point of the sport, this mans view is irrelevant.

I wonder what percentage of e mountain bikers are actually hacking their $5 to 10k ebikes and voiding the warranty? Highly doubt it is "the vast majority." Pretty sure Specialized can also detect this through their app. Also hilarious that in this day and age people would say something like "stop showing ebikes shredding" as though that is a realistic option. "In fact, statistically, nobody shreds on an MTB (e or otherwise). The majority of riders will never get their wheels off the ground or hit a huge drop or bash through a berm." OK. On multiple levels this is...

Building trails specific for e-bikes is a terrible idea. There aren't enough biking trails already. If they start getting built for e-bikes only, imagine how butt hurt everyone will be. Look how butt hurt everyone is already.

Matbe you're unaware the pedals on a moped are just for getting the engine to start and have no effect once the engine is running. The pedals basically become pegs while the engine is running.

This was fairly entertaining. MTB Bikes are RAD. I want to get shreddy, I like to get shreddy, I need to get shreddy. I’m gonna get shreddy on my anolog bike as I have been for 20+ years and now I’m gonna also get extra shreddy on eBikes because they are super duper rad. I’m gonna not be a dick to other trail users even though they are often entitled dicks themselves and deserve a good kick in the nutz - of course I won’t. I’m gonna ride legal trails and I’m also gonna poach trails (where I live it’s...

Soo... MTBs - whites, eMTB - blacks (etc). Look almost the same but nah, not equal. MTBs don't want eMTBs to access same places. Intriguing, isn't it... )

"What's an e-bike" it's exactly what you think it is. I always love when some official city/state/federal somebody is always just confused about what's going on in there jurisdiction. "If the industry or awesome people who do ____ had just come to us asked for permission / guidance / approval / designations we'd have a much better handle on this situation. Oh and we wouldn't mind some extra tax dollars and fees be given to us to manage this". From razor scooters (I do we wish they came to the skateboarding lobby? in 2004 and said were going to ruin...

"Why would an E-bike (that weighs 15-20 lbs more) not damage a trail more than a regular bicycle" The range of rider body weights makes 15 extra pounds of bike weight insignificant.. Possibly this important study will conclude that trails should have a weight limit and weight station at the trail-head. If the rider + bike (ebike or regular) is over the limit, no riding for you. Horses of course will not be subject to these limits.

No, but the topic posted is about class one ebikes and that they are too powerful. I test rode a Levo today. I noticed that when I pedaled while going downhill I got no benefit from the motor. I actually could generate more speed pedaling while going downhill on my normal bike. My times on all my downhill segments were slower than my regular bike.