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Those are out there... They are classified as electric motorcycles... KTM makes a pretty cool one... And if you have ridden an ebike, you would find out you still get a workout... It just doesn't have the same intensity..

I watched the video a few times. There's a lot said and a lot to address, but I'm going to just respond to the points pointed out by Vital. 1)Do eMTB’s do more damage to trails than regular analog pedal bikes? Joe cites that there has been very little, to no real, research done. While he feels the impact is no different from a regular mountain bike, data talks and BS walks. - The problem is, so many eMTB haters prefer to judge ignorantly than to actually comprehend any data presented to them. A lot of eMTB haters bring up...

Shhhhh. Nobody shreds

Cheating. This is a sentiment that continues to come up. Why does everybody care or feel like it is cheating? Are they cheating you and your strava times? Do you feel like the e-bike rider is cheating themselves? Or is your ego hurt when you get passed by some fat guy who just got turned into Nino? But if it's a cancer patient, it's now OK? Like wtf, can't you just worry about yourself?

Upon hearing his #4 proposal I will never again purchase a trek product. Shredding is the point of the sport, this mans view is irrelevant.

I wonder what percentage of e mountain bikers are actually hacking their $5 to 10k ebikes and voiding the warranty? Highly doubt it is "the vast majority." Pretty sure Specialized can also detect this through their app. Also hilarious that in this day and age people would say something like "stop showing ebikes shredding" as though that is a realistic option. "In fact, statistically, nobody shreds on an MTB (e or otherwise). The majority of riders will never get their wheels off the ground or hit a huge drop or bash through a berm." OK. On multiple levels this is...

Building trails specific for e-bikes is a terrible idea. There aren't enough biking trails already. If they start getting built for e-bikes only, imagine how butt hurt everyone will be. Look how butt hurt everyone is already.

Matbe you're unaware the pedals on a moped are just for getting the engine to start and have no effect once the engine is running. The pedals basically become pegs while the engine is running.

That's just science, right? More force applied by more weight. It seems like this would be on the low end of the argument against e-bikes because, yes, no one is mad at 220 lbs guy for riding on the trail vs 160 lbs guy.

"Why would an E-bike (that weighs 15-20 lbs more) not damage a trail more than a regular bicycle" The range of rider body weights makes 15 extra pounds of bike weight insignificant.. Possibly this important study will conclude that trails should have a weight limit and weight station at the trail-head. If the rider + bike (ebike or regular) is over the limit, no riding for you. Horses of course will not be subject to these limits.

No, but the topic posted is about class one ebikes and that they are too powerful. I test rode a Levo today. I noticed that when I pedaled while going downhill I got no benefit from the motor. I actually could generate more speed pedaling while going downhill on my normal bike. My times on all my downhill segments were slower than my regular bike.

Generalizing everyone that has ridden an eMTB "E-MTBers act like they the exception to the rules"....is bullshit. As I say in every trail meeting i've been to when this is brought up, we have always had 'an asshole' problem, it existed before electrics. This problem exists in skate, snow, surf, tennis, golf, etc.....not everyone is a cool law abiding person. So theres that. Oh, and your analogy about the bikes being heavier causing more damage-is funny. So-I am 140lbs, am I supposed to call anyone 160lbs and up a 'trail terrorizer'? Your last comment about EMTBers being rich, not working...

Specialized has presented data from trail impact studies to their dealers. Don’t know where it came from or who did it but I have seen it.

I agree. I know this sounds weird, but if you actually ride an ebike, you understand this. It is totally not a motorcycle. You still have to pedal on ebikes. The feeling is more like someone is pushing from behind, not a motor laying down horsepower. If you don't ride bikes normally, of course you may be a bit intimidated by it (Point #5, the first #5 that is). But that's what learning and practicing is for. And for those of us who actually ride bikes: Learning and practicing is FUN. My 2 cents is that the more I ride...

An eMTB may not do as much damage per compared mile, but more per compared time. Say you have a 1hr long lunch to go for a ride. On your normal ride on a normal bike, you’d do one loop. Now on the eMTB would you be able to fit two laps in during that time? Are people going to ride based off of distance or off of how long they feel like being out regardless of the bike they are on? I’m personally for eMTB use on any motorized trail, and any non motorized trail that the local riding...

Regarding Proposal 4: get lost, Joe!