New Tempo is live. Such a rad looking bike but I struggle to think who would buy one in reality. The one available complete model is much burlier then what was offered with the V1, although travel is still the same. I think I'd prefer the older version spec wise, would be fun with some light tyres. Pic below for context.
New Tempo is live. Such a rad looking bike but I struggle to think who would buy one in reality. The one available complete model is...
Tempo V2
New Tempo is live. Such a rad looking bike but I struggle to think who would buy one in reality. The one available complete model is much burlier then what was offered with the V1, although travel is still the same. I think I'd prefer the older version spec wise, would be fun with some light tyres. Pic below for context.
Tempo V1 - Still in stock in Aus
Me. I’m the one who will probably buy one.
I am not a more travel is better guy. I’ve run hardcore hardtails for many years as my ‘trail’ bike mostly because I couldn’t find a 120mm frame I felt like I could hammer.
This is Cat 5 rated. And comes with a Lyric. Sign me up!
Wasn’t Giant Maestro ruled ok because the dw-link patent didn’t include the option for the lower shock bolt to be at the location of the lower...
Wasn’t Giant Maestro ruled ok because the dw-link patent didn’t include the option for the lower shock bolt to be at the location of the lower link’s front mount?
Somehow I always liked the feel of my old 2017 Giant Reign SX on the brakes far better than my old Ibis Ripmo AF. Didn’t hang up as much climbing either. Probably the bike I should’ve kept over the years.
Pretty sure that case went back to the original maestro bikes in 2005 that didn't have a shared lower link/shock mount. Probably why they changed it later!
New Tempo is live. Such a rad looking bike but I struggle to think who would buy one in reality. The one available complete model is...
Tempo V2
New Tempo is live. Such a rad looking bike but I struggle to think who would buy one in reality. The one available complete model is much burlier then what was offered with the V1, although travel is still the same. I think I'd prefer the older version spec wise, would be fun with some light tyres. Pic below for context.
Tempo V1 - Still in stock in Aus
This is a slight derail but I agree.
My hot take is that the ride quality of the new Lyrik will never be good enough to justify the weight. The previous one was awesome, and so was the one before that. The fact that is being praised as much as it is, opens the door for the other big dogs to keep beefing up. Current Lyrik is nearly identical in weight to the previous gen 38... The Pike was a quality enduro fork in 2017...
Please spec 120-140 fork travel bikes with pikes/non-obese Lyriks/36SLs or even 34's. I'm so sick of weight creep.
This is a slight derail but I agree. My hot take is that the ride quality of the new Lyrik will never be good enough to justify...
This is a slight derail but I agree.
My hot take is that the ride quality of the new Lyrik will never be good enough to justify the weight. The previous one was awesome, and so was the one before that. The fact that is being praised as much as it is, opens the door for the other big dogs to keep beefing up. Current Lyrik is nearly identical in weight to the previous gen 38... The Pike was a quality enduro fork in 2017...
Please spec 120-140 fork travel bikes with pikes/non-obese Lyriks/36SLs or even 34's. I'm so sick of weight creep.
I get what youre putting forward but to Commencals reasoning, they sell bikes to those that maybe used to ride YT’s. The people that look at the plenty capable 34 of their bike and think “Ill take a lyrik or stubby 36 and then throw this thing on my lifted Ford Raptor and hit some green and blue lines”. Just because its thicker and bigger. The minority of their market is looking for the 34. Not making this sound like a dickish thing to say, but look at Scotts. I mean theyre pretty sick now days. They will do what you want.
On this general train of thought, one thing I always thought could be genuinely beneficial to the consumer is size specific build kits, particularly on a bike like this. Put a 34 and exo tyres on the smaller sizes, with a 36 and exo+ tyres on the larger sizes. You could do similar things for rotors, bar width etc. More part numbers for the product managers but hey, we can dream.
This is a slight derail but I agree. My hot take is that the ride quality of the new Lyrik will never be good enough to justify...
This is a slight derail but I agree.
My hot take is that the ride quality of the new Lyrik will never be good enough to justify the weight. The previous one was awesome, and so was the one before that. The fact that is being praised as much as it is, opens the door for the other big dogs to keep beefing up. Current Lyrik is nearly identical in weight to the previous gen 38... The Pike was a quality enduro fork in 2017...
Please spec 120-140 fork travel bikes with pikes/non-obese Lyriks/36SLs or even 34's. I'm so sick of weight creep.
I get what youre putting forward but to Commencals reasoning, they sell bikes to those that maybe used to ride YT’s. The people that look at...
I get what youre putting forward but to Commencals reasoning, they sell bikes to those that maybe used to ride YT’s. The people that look at the plenty capable 34 of their bike and think “Ill take a lyrik or stubby 36 and then throw this thing on my lifted Ford Raptor and hit some green and blue lines”. Just because its thicker and bigger. The minority of their market is looking for the 34. Not making this sound like a dickish thing to say, but look at Scotts. I mean theyre pretty sick now days. They will do what you want.
I think you’re both missing the point of the Tempo. It’s not supposed to be a light efficient trail bike, it’s meant to be a short travel bike that you hammer like an enduro bike, same as the Forbidden Druid (which also comes with a Lyrik/36). Nobody is buying a Tempo to count grams or ride blue trails. The 36 is the right fork for the bike’s intentions. I’d personally also spec gravity tires on it.
New Tempo is live. Such a rad looking bike but I struggle to think who would buy one in reality. The one available complete model is...
Tempo V2
New Tempo is live. Such a rad looking bike but I struggle to think who would buy one in reality. The one available complete model is much burlier then what was offered with the V1, although travel is still the same. I think I'd prefer the older version spec wise, would be fun with some light tyres. Pic below for context.
This is a slight derail but I agree. My hot take is that the ride quality of the new Lyrik will never be good enough to justify...
This is a slight derail but I agree.
My hot take is that the ride quality of the new Lyrik will never be good enough to justify the weight. The previous one was awesome, and so was the one before that. The fact that is being praised as much as it is, opens the door for the other big dogs to keep beefing up. Current Lyrik is nearly identical in weight to the previous gen 38... The Pike was a quality enduro fork in 2017...
Please spec 120-140 fork travel bikes with pikes/non-obese Lyriks/36SLs or even 34's. I'm so sick of weight creep.
The newest gen Lyrik is such a miss being the same weight as a previous gen Zeb. At some point does RS just drop it from the lineup? It’s great to have something in between the Zeb and Pike, but is it really fulfilling that role?
New Tempo is live. Such a rad looking bike but I struggle to think who would buy one in reality. The one available complete model is...
Tempo V2
New Tempo is live. Such a rad looking bike but I struggle to think who would buy one in reality. The one available complete model is much burlier then what was offered with the V1, although travel is still the same. I think I'd prefer the older version spec wise, would be fun with some light tyres. Pic below for context.
This is a slight derail but I agree. My hot take is that the ride quality of the new Lyrik will never be good enough to justify...
This is a slight derail but I agree.
My hot take is that the ride quality of the new Lyrik will never be good enough to justify the weight. The previous one was awesome, and so was the one before that. The fact that is being praised as much as it is, opens the door for the other big dogs to keep beefing up. Current Lyrik is nearly identical in weight to the previous gen 38... The Pike was a quality enduro fork in 2017...
Please spec 120-140 fork travel bikes with pikes/non-obese Lyriks/36SLs or even 34's. I'm so sick of weight creep.
I'd be interested to hear from those who've ridden both the previous Lyrik and now the new LinearXL one that's the weight of the Zeb. I threw my Zeb on my 5010 just for fun and it felt a little out of place but that could have been due to thee stiffness of the bigger stanchions and not the weight.
Love that Commencal is keeping the "short travel all mountain" (5010, Druid, Optic, Spectral 125, etc.) genre alive amidst pretty steady downcountry hype. (been a thing since what? 2018?)
New Tempo is live. Such a rad looking bike but I struggle to think who would buy one in reality. The one available complete model is...
Tempo V2
New Tempo is live. Such a rad looking bike but I struggle to think who would buy one in reality. The one available complete model is much burlier then what was offered with the V1, although travel is still the same. I think I'd prefer the older version spec wise, would be fun with some light tyres. Pic below for context.
This is a slight derail but I agree. My hot take is that the ride quality of the new Lyrik will never be good enough to justify...
This is a slight derail but I agree.
My hot take is that the ride quality of the new Lyrik will never be good enough to justify the weight. The previous one was awesome, and so was the one before that. The fact that is being praised as much as it is, opens the door for the other big dogs to keep beefing up. Current Lyrik is nearly identical in weight to the previous gen 38... The Pike was a quality enduro fork in 2017...
Please spec 120-140 fork travel bikes with pikes/non-obese Lyriks/36SLs or even 34's. I'm so sick of weight creep.
I'd be interested to hear from those who've ridden both the previous Lyrik and now the new LinearXL one that's the weight of the Zeb. I...
I'd be interested to hear from those who've ridden both the previous Lyrik and now the new LinearXL one that's the weight of the Zeb. I threw my Zeb on my 5010 just for fun and it felt a little out of place but that could have been due to thee stiffness of the bigger stanchions and not the weight.
Love that Commencal is keeping the "short travel all mountain" (5010, Druid, Optic, Spectral 125, etc.) genre alive amidst pretty steady downcountry hype. (been a thing since what? 2018?)
I've got both the new Zeb and Lyrik, and ran the previous versions of both. Old Zeb I had to run an MRP Noken to use most of my travel as opposed to only 2/3, at pressures that were reasonable for the first half of travel. Old Lyrik I had no such issues, but it was noticeably more flexy fore/aft and torsionally than old Zeb. Both new forks are a lot more linear and I'm able to use full travel on big landings at baseline pressures (then add ABO to give some reserve). New Lyrik is more linear than new Zeb, and more than the old Lyrik, and I think it gives up a bit of midstroke support because of this. Both are now tube in tube, use the same air shaft but the sealhead and inner tube are different diameters. The amount of natural ramp on the new Zeb feels perfect to me. New Lyrik is a bit stiffer than the old version, and didn't feel that outgunned when I put it on an ebike for a bit. Less precise, sure, but kinda like running alu rims vs. carbon. The old one felt like it clearly had no place on a 46+ lb ebike, and let you know it... its limit felt like about 42 lb. I ran the new Lyrik at 170mm on my enduro bike for a bit before going to a Zeb on it, and it works and gives it a lively nature but I decided I was willing to pay the Zeb weight tax for the extra stiffness and associated confidence landing jumps into brake bumps, or diving into rutted out berms.
I do think that both Lyrik and Zeb essentially moved up half a bracket in terms of capacity. I think there's a good argument to do a slight update to the Pike but keep it as single tube and bump the max travel up to 160, basically filling in for the old Lyrik.
New Tempo is live. Such a rad looking bike but I struggle to think who would buy one in reality. The one available complete model is...
Tempo V2
New Tempo is live. Such a rad looking bike but I struggle to think who would buy one in reality. The one available complete model is much burlier then what was offered with the V1, although travel is still the same. I think I'd prefer the older version spec wise, would be fun with some light tyres. Pic below for context.
This is a slight derail but I agree. My hot take is that the ride quality of the new Lyrik will never be good enough to justify...
This is a slight derail but I agree.
My hot take is that the ride quality of the new Lyrik will never be good enough to justify the weight. The previous one was awesome, and so was the one before that. The fact that is being praised as much as it is, opens the door for the other big dogs to keep beefing up. Current Lyrik is nearly identical in weight to the previous gen 38... The Pike was a quality enduro fork in 2017...
Please spec 120-140 fork travel bikes with pikes/non-obese Lyriks/36SLs or even 34's. I'm so sick of weight creep.
Curious if you've ridden it? It's really, really good. Although yeah, maybe an odd choice for that bike--but I bet that thing is a heavy hitter and absolutely rips.
In the days of the 36SL, I'm not sure why any 140mm or less bike is getting a new Lyrik, other than supplier partnerships. Seems like the 36SL is the objectively optimal fork for the Tempo. Is the Pike really too flexy to hammer?
Anyway, now here's my maybe even hotter take: Sure, the commencal might be Cat 5, but I don't think bike companies can justify a short travel bike breaking or being less durable because people might ride it too hard. You can't make a bike with enduro-like geometry and then when people ride it fast on hard trails and it breaks go "noooo it wasn't meant for that!!!!" If it's not a true XC race bike, it needs to be able to hold up. Full stop, no matter what rating category you test it to. I don't care how light you make it. If it doesn't stand up, you're a shit company making shit bikes. Mountain bikes are meant to be ridden.
I think you’re both missing the point of the Tempo. It’s not supposed to be a light efficient trail bike, it’s meant to be a short...
I think you’re both missing the point of the Tempo. It’s not supposed to be a light efficient trail bike, it’s meant to be a short travel bike that you hammer like an enduro bike, same as the Forbidden Druid (which also comes with a Lyrik/36). Nobody is buying a Tempo to count grams or ride blue trails. The 36 is the right fork for the bike’s intentions. I’d personally also spec gravity tires on it.
This is just my stupid opinion but I don’t think I’m missing the point.
The “previous” aka the same tempo with dumber routing was super hyped up for being a super efficient bike that also happened to be sort of smashy. All they did was change the marketing language to convince you a bike you should hammer like an enduro bike lol.
Some bikes ride better than others for a certain travel bracket. But a 125mm bike will never be a 150mm + bike.
I think you’re both missing the point of the Tempo. It’s not supposed to be a light efficient trail bike, it’s meant to be a short...
I think you’re both missing the point of the Tempo. It’s not supposed to be a light efficient trail bike, it’s meant to be a short travel bike that you hammer like an enduro bike, same as the Forbidden Druid (which also comes with a Lyrik/36). Nobody is buying a Tempo to count grams or ride blue trails. The 36 is the right fork for the bike’s intentions. I’d personally also spec gravity tires on it.
This is just my stupid opinion but I don’t think I’m missing the point. The “previous” aka the same tempo with dumber routing was super hyped up...
This is just my stupid opinion but I don’t think I’m missing the point.
The “previous” aka the same tempo with dumber routing was super hyped up for being a super efficient bike that also happened to be sort of smashy. All they did was change the marketing language to convince you a bike you should hammer like an enduro bike lol.
Some bikes ride better than others for a certain travel bracket. But a 125mm bike will never be a 150mm + bike.
Yes, but some people can ride a 120mm bike better/harder than most can ride a 160mm bike and they may enjoy that. Those people deserve a bike too. Not everyone wants to be overbiked all the time.
In the days of the 36SL, I'm not sure why any 140mm or less bike is getting a new Lyrik, other than supplier partnerships. Seems like...
In the days of the 36SL, I'm not sure why any 140mm or less bike is getting a new Lyrik, other than supplier partnerships. Seems like the 36SL is the objectively optimal fork for the Tempo. Is the Pike really too flexy to hammer?
Anyway, now here's my maybe even hotter take: Sure, the commencal might be Cat 5, but I don't think bike companies can justify a short travel bike breaking or being less durable because people might ride it too hard. You can't make a bike with enduro-like geometry and then when people ride it fast on hard trails and it breaks go "noooo it wasn't meant for that!!!!" If it's not a true XC race bike, it needs to be able to hold up. Full stop, no matter what rating category you test it to. I don't care how light you make it. If it doesn't stand up, you're a shit company making shit bikes. Mountain bikes are meant to be ridden.
I have a 22 pike at 150mm on my v1 tempo and it seems like the perfect fork for the bike. its 31lbs with a waterbottle and a tool. I've hit some pretty big jumps and drops on it and i weight 190-200. I don't think I need a beefier fork. 36sl seems like a good fit but Rockshox needs to have a lighter 150 fork offering.
I also agree the older build kits fit the bike a little more.
In the days of the 36SL, I'm not sure why any 140mm or less bike is getting a new Lyrik, other than supplier partnerships. Seems like...
In the days of the 36SL, I'm not sure why any 140mm or less bike is getting a new Lyrik, other than supplier partnerships. Seems like the 36SL is the objectively optimal fork for the Tempo. Is the Pike really too flexy to hammer?
Anyway, now here's my maybe even hotter take: Sure, the commencal might be Cat 5, but I don't think bike companies can justify a short travel bike breaking or being less durable because people might ride it too hard. You can't make a bike with enduro-like geometry and then when people ride it fast on hard trails and it breaks go "noooo it wasn't meant for that!!!!" If it's not a true XC race bike, it needs to be able to hold up. Full stop, no matter what rating category you test it to. I don't care how light you make it. If it doesn't stand up, you're a shit company making shit bikes. Mountain bikes are meant to be ridden.
Reasonably certain it was a case of the Pike being an older chassis over the Lyrik. Nothing to do with performance, just timelines.
New Tempo is live. Such a rad looking bike but I struggle to think who would buy one in reality. The one available complete model is much burlier then what was offered with the V1, although travel is still the same. I think I'd prefer the older version spec wise, would be fun with some light tyres. Pic below for context.
Me. I’m the one who will probably buy one.
I am not a more travel is better guy. I’ve run hardcore hardtails for many years as my ‘trail’ bike mostly because I couldn’t find a 120mm frame I felt like I could hammer.
This is Cat 5 rated. And comes with a Lyric. Sign me up!
Pretty sure that case went back to the original maestro bikes in 2005 that didn't have a shared lower link/shock mount. Probably why they changed it later!
This is a slight derail but I agree.
My hot take is that the ride quality of the new Lyrik will never be good enough to justify the weight. The previous one was awesome, and so was the one before that. The fact that is being praised as much as it is, opens the door for the other big dogs to keep beefing up. Current Lyrik is nearly identical in weight to the previous gen 38... The Pike was a quality enduro fork in 2017...
Please spec 120-140 fork travel bikes with pikes/non-obese Lyriks/36SLs or even 34's. I'm so sick of weight creep.
I get what youre putting forward but to Commencals reasoning, they sell bikes to those that maybe used to ride YT’s. The people that look at the plenty capable 34 of their bike and think “Ill take a lyrik or stubby 36 and then throw this thing on my lifted Ford Raptor and hit some green and blue lines”. Just because its thicker and bigger. The minority of their market is looking for the 34. Not making this sound like a dickish thing to say, but look at Scotts. I mean theyre pretty sick now days. They will do what you want.
On this general train of thought, one thing I always thought could be genuinely beneficial to the consumer is size specific build kits, particularly on a bike like this. Put a 34 and exo tyres on the smaller sizes, with a 36 and exo+ tyres on the larger sizes. You could do similar things for rotors, bar width etc. More part numbers for the product managers but hey, we can dream.
I think you’re both missing the point of the Tempo. It’s not supposed to be a light efficient trail bike, it’s meant to be a short travel bike that you hammer like an enduro bike, same as the Forbidden Druid (which also comes with a Lyrik/36). Nobody is buying a Tempo to count grams or ride blue trails. The 36 is the right fork for the bike’s intentions. I’d personally also spec gravity tires on it.
The newest gen Lyrik is such a miss being the same weight as a previous gen Zeb. At some point does RS just drop it from the lineup? It’s great to have something in between the Zeb and Pike, but is it really fulfilling that role?
I'd be interested to hear from those who've ridden both the previous Lyrik and now the new LinearXL one that's the weight of the Zeb. I threw my Zeb on my 5010 just for fun and it felt a little out of place but that could have been due to thee stiffness of the bigger stanchions and not the weight.
Love that Commencal is keeping the "short travel all mountain" (5010, Druid, Optic, Spectral 125, etc.) genre alive amidst pretty steady downcountry hype. (been a thing since what? 2018?)
I've got both the new Zeb and Lyrik, and ran the previous versions of both. Old Zeb I had to run an MRP Noken to use most of my travel as opposed to only 2/3, at pressures that were reasonable for the first half of travel. Old Lyrik I had no such issues, but it was noticeably more flexy fore/aft and torsionally than old Zeb. Both new forks are a lot more linear and I'm able to use full travel on big landings at baseline pressures (then add ABO to give some reserve). New Lyrik is more linear than new Zeb, and more than the old Lyrik, and I think it gives up a bit of midstroke support because of this. Both are now tube in tube, use the same air shaft but the sealhead and inner tube are different diameters. The amount of natural ramp on the new Zeb feels perfect to me. New Lyrik is a bit stiffer than the old version, and didn't feel that outgunned when I put it on an ebike for a bit. Less precise, sure, but kinda like running alu rims vs. carbon. The old one felt like it clearly had no place on a 46+ lb ebike, and let you know it... its limit felt like about 42 lb. I ran the new Lyrik at 170mm on my enduro bike for a bit before going to a Zeb on it, and it works and gives it a lively nature but I decided I was willing to pay the Zeb weight tax for the extra stiffness and associated confidence landing jumps into brake bumps, or diving into rutted out berms.
I do think that both Lyrik and Zeb essentially moved up half a bracket in terms of capacity. I think there's a good argument to do a slight update to the Pike but keep it as single tube and bump the max travel up to 160, basically filling in for the old Lyrik.
Curious if you've ridden it? It's really, really good. Although yeah, maybe an odd choice for that bike--but I bet that thing is a heavy hitter and absolutely rips.
In the days of the 36SL, I'm not sure why any 140mm or less bike is getting a new Lyrik, other than supplier partnerships. Seems like the 36SL is the objectively optimal fork for the Tempo. Is the Pike really too flexy to hammer?
Anyway, now here's my maybe even hotter take: Sure, the commencal might be Cat 5, but I don't think bike companies can justify a short travel bike breaking or being less durable because people might ride it too hard. You can't make a bike with enduro-like geometry and then when people ride it fast on hard trails and it breaks go "noooo it wasn't meant for that!!!!" If it's not a true XC race bike, it needs to be able to hold up. Full stop, no matter what rating category you test it to. I don't care how light you make it. If it doesn't stand up, you're a shit company making shit bikes. Mountain bikes are meant to be ridden.
This is just my stupid opinion but I don’t think I’m missing the point.
The “previous” aka the same tempo with dumber routing was super hyped up for being a super efficient bike that also happened to be sort of smashy. All they did was change the marketing language to convince you a bike you should hammer like an enduro bike lol.
Some bikes ride better than others for a certain travel bracket. But a 125mm bike will never be a 150mm + bike.
Yes, but some people can ride a 120mm bike better/harder than most can ride a 160mm bike and they may enjoy that. Those people deserve a bike too. Not everyone wants to be overbiked all the time.
I have a 22 pike at 150mm on my v1 tempo and it seems like the perfect fork for the bike. its 31lbs with a waterbottle and a tool. I've hit some pretty big jumps and drops on it and i weight 190-200. I don't think I need a beefier fork. 36sl seems like a good fit but Rockshox needs to have a lighter 150 fork offering.
I also agree the older build kits fit the bike a little more.
Reasonably certain it was a case of the Pike being an older chassis over the Lyrik. Nothing to do with performance, just timelines.
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