Anyone remember if Brembo will be doing other colors like we saw at Sea Otter? About to order some but have only seen the red. Hoping to know if maybe the whites will be available (if I put my name on the levers, I can feel like Sam Hill on old juicy ultimates haha)
For anyone interested, I had a chance to try out the TRP Evo Pros this past week. Due to some weird circumstances with shipping delays and coincidences, I was able to throw these on my hardtail to try out while I wait for their final brakes to go on (M9220). I ran them with the newer S05E rotors, which are awesome and I love. I had intended on putting them on my bigger bike, but things got weird and with the Brembos coming in a few weeks, I didn't feel like messing with the annoying cable routing twice in a month.
Install was fairly easy, I just did a bleed cup bleed from the lever. I know it's kinda obvious, but I found that working the lever in/out, the pad adjustment in/out, and the lever in various points of rotation helped get the air out from trimming the hoses. I like the fact the lever clamps open all the way, so I don't have to deal with grip removal to move them out. I was able to get everything connected per TRPs video instructions and it was just easy. I know TRP recommends a piston massage and visual alignment, I did the latter but not the former. After mounting/aligning them, all the pistons seemed to move freely so I didn't bother.
I like the lever feel a lot. I've been running Mavens for about a year now on my other bike (I had intended on replacing those with these but things got weird) and the TRP lever is a lot lighter and smoother. There is a fair bit of deadstroke, not an excessive amount but enough that I don't know if these are the best option for riders who run their levers close to the bar. The initial bite point is also a lot weaker compared to Dominion, Intend, Maven, and (depending on settings) Hope. The pad adjustment makes a tangible difference, but I couldn't find a reason to run it further out, I prefer a stronger bite and closer levers. The overall power is great though, once you get past the initial soft-ish bite point, the power ramps up really quickly and they are really easy to manage. I don't feel like I use overall more power with the Mavens or other brakes I've tried, but it does take a little longer to get there with the TRPs. I really liked how easy it was to feather the bite point and make minor adjustments to avoid sliding/skidding esp since I have less grippier tires on my HT. My normal instinct when reading that is to think the brakes lack power and I wouldn't like them, but I don't think that's really an issue here, I still have a bit of room to pull if need be and power comes on pretty quickly after the initial lull in bite, that soft feeling doesn't last long in the lever stroke. It's not going to slam your face into the bars like the ones I mention above, but it's not so slow that my 220lb self can't get along with them.
The soft-ish bite point and lever feel kinda reminds me of the Hope and Trickstuff Maximas. The difference is with the former you can adjust the lever to be as touchy and with a short deadstroke as you want, meaning you can tone them down to feel however you like. The TRPs, like most brakes, kinda have a baseline of deadstroke and bite that they can't exceed, but is livable. The lever isn't as smooth as those two, but the bite point is soft in a similar way they are once the pads engage, so you aren't having to crank down hand power to get power out of them, the transition from bite to skidding is really smooth and subtle at the lever.
These are some of the only brakes I don't see myself using long term but can understand why people do. I've tried a lot of brakesets that I just don't understand why people use them, but these don't fall into that category. I really like the feel, the lever ergonomics, how easy they were to setup, etc. I'd leave them on the bike except I already have another set of brakes for it, but also because one is already leaking. These seem notorious for QC problems and I don't know anyone using them that doesn't have a leak somewhere. I shouldn't have to go over the caliper and tighten everything to spec when they arrive, especially since those specs aren't published anywhere except the bleed bolt. These brakes cost ~$600 new and that's just not acceptable, it also distracts from them otherwise being pretty awesome. I really hope they can sort this out because I liked these a lot otherwise.
I've switched all my bikes over to the DH-R non-pro brakes. I think you hit the nail on the head. Alot of people that say they arn't powerful just don't pull them far enought to learn that line. Its kinda non-linear. Also, I think people that come from something like Mavens or Shimanos are expecting that quick bite and just don't feel that. Once you get used to the TRP feel it becomes really useful. I also think they are a brake that rewards harder, shorter braking.
I found a bike shop in Cali clearancing out some Freedom Coast levers and picked up some for $50. I never thought the factory lever was bad or felt weird but I thought I'd try them. I also have large hands so I never had the typical lever close to the bar problem. The Freedom Coast levers are a game changer. I really like how they feel and the hook on the end.
Really struggling with a set of TRPs. The best I've had them feeling was with 2mm galfer rotors and shimano metallic pads, didn't have glazing problems but felt underpowered. Otherwise, every 2.3mm rotor I've tried (2x TRP, most recently tried ones from Lewis) and several different pads (TRP blues, semi-metallics, metallics) have invariably and usually immediately glazed over. This is despite doing what I feel is a very careful and prolonged bedding in every time, trying again with sanding and/or torching pads, resurfacing rotors every way I know how. I can't see any leaks from overnight pressure testing the calipers
I'm just going to get another set of Mavens but I'm even hesitant to sell these out of fear of inflicting pain on someone else. Anyone have any ideas as to wtf is going on? Have I just gotten dud rotors 3 times in a row? Is there some secret trick to bedding in exclusive only to these brakes?
I tried a heap of TRP evo pros.(new bikes plus bought 2 sets to try on release of Pro's.) the calipers still suck, weeping from bleed screw, leaking pistons and they unbalance under heavy loads
Put the galfer rotors back on with the same pads that kept glazing and they seem fine. Convinced its some weird interaction with the drilled out TRP rotors and the Lewis ones that look suspiciously similar. Whatever, more Mavens it is. I really like the base but may as well try the B1s, are the B1 Bronze OE only? There don't even seem to be any A1 bronze available
I struggled with a set of TRPs glazing rotors, specifically the RS05E rotors. I honestly thought I just contaminated them somehow and bought a new set of RS01E 203mm rotors. I eventually sold this brakeset to a friend and he hasn't had issues. I moved onto mavens for a variety of reasons, but certainly this was one of them.
I was able to order a set of b1 bronze levers through my local bike shop. I assume that means you can get full b1 bronze brake sets but I am not certain. TBH, I have nothing against the bronze series brakes from sram... but I think I would do the silver if I were doing it all over again. The bronze lever assemblies will have a bit of vertical lever slop that is annoying but not really noticeable in 98% of situations. The bushings will also squeak in time and require cleaning, lubrication and replacement. For that reason, just go with silver imo.
I struggled with a set of TRPs glazing rotors, specifically the RS05E rotors. I honestly thought I just contaminated them somehow and bought a new set...
I struggled with a set of TRPs glazing rotors, specifically the RS05E rotors. I honestly thought I just contaminated them somehow and bought a new set of RS01E 203mm rotors. I eventually sold this brakeset to a friend and he hasn't had issues. I moved onto mavens for a variety of reasons, but certainly this was one of them.
I was able to order a set of b1 bronze levers through my local bike shop. I assume that means you can get full b1 bronze brake sets but I am not certain. TBH, I have nothing against the bronze series brakes from sram... but I think I would do the silver if I were doing it all over again. The bronze lever assemblies will have a bit of vertical lever slop that is annoying but not really noticeable in 98% of situations. The bushings will also squeak in time and require cleaning, lubrication and replacement. For that reason, just go with silver imo.
You can buy them piecemeal but for some reason they won't sell you a full thing connected with a hose. I guess silver makes more sense, I get turned off by extra adjustments that I don't use but the pivots probably more than make up for that
Its funny when you search for mavens on buysell you run into just as many TRPs with "selling because I switched to mavens" in the description
Anyone else finding the maven B1s noticeably less powerful than the A1s? I’ve never compared back to back but that is what I’m sensing. I have B1s on my new Crestline and just got back from Squamish where I was definitely getting fatigued on the super steep “creep” style slab moves, especially when you need to dump speed on the slab. I’m heavy (225lbs) and on a 50lb bike but I don’t remember that ever happening with the A1s. Curious other people’s opinions.
The B1 will have less power per X amount of finger pull force compared to the A1, both as a result of having smaller pistons and also the different cam. Even running the B1 cams with A1 caliper I noticed a reduction in power per squeeze force, and went back to the A1 cams.
Anyone else finding the maven B1s noticeably less powerful than the A1s? I’ve never compared back to back but that is what I’m sensing. I have...
Anyone else finding the maven B1s noticeably less powerful than the A1s? I’ve never compared back to back but that is what I’m sensing. I have B1s on my new Crestline and just got back from Squamish where I was definitely getting fatigued on the super steep “creep” style slab moves, especially when you need to dump speed on the slab. I’m heavy (225lbs) and on a 50lb bike but I don’t remember that ever happening with the A1s. Curious other people’s opinions.
Yeah, I agree that the b1 overall have less power then a1s. I've tried pretty much all flavors of Maven's and by my estimation the power heirarchy is: Maven Base, Maven B1, Maven B1 levers w/A1 caliper and lastly Maven A1. The A1 are much snappier with a narrower window of modulation from deadband to enough to lock. Whether B1s actually have less power I cannot say, but in practical application when you're clamping down on the brakes they feel like they have less power per mm of lever pull and less power overall.
I still prefer the a1s on my park bike and my full weight/power ebike. I do prefer the b1 on my trail bike, but I occasionally miss the a1s when we're doing trails that are 25-28% gradient and a mile long... similar brake force needed for those as riding sketchy stuff in squamish.
Anyone else finding the maven B1s noticeably less powerful than the A1s? I’ve never compared back to back but that is what I’m sensing. I have...
Anyone else finding the maven B1s noticeably less powerful than the A1s? I’ve never compared back to back but that is what I’m sensing. I have B1s on my new Crestline and just got back from Squamish where I was definitely getting fatigued on the super steep “creep” style slab moves, especially when you need to dump speed on the slab. I’m heavy (225lbs) and on a 50lb bike but I don’t remember that ever happening with the A1s. Curious other people’s opinions.
indeed, i've converted some A1 with the gold cam and they feel great in the parking lot but definitely got my hands way more sore than the GR4 or A1 as i'm pulling the levers way more despite being lighter
I too have noticed about 10% less power with B1 cams in the A1 but for 90% of my riding the additional modulation has been great once I got used to it. It's really the long runs and long days in the park that I feel it. I'm thinking of going back to organic pads for some more bite but not sure if there's no net gain losing heat management compared to metallic????
Anyone remember if Brembo will be doing other colors like we saw at Sea Otter? About to order some but have only seen the red. Hoping to know if maybe the whites will be available (if I put my name on the levers, I can feel like Sam Hill on old juicy ultimates haha)
For anyone interested, I had a chance to try out the TRP Evo Pros this past week. Due to some weird circumstances with shipping delays and coincidences, I was able to throw these on my hardtail to try out while I wait for their final brakes to go on (M9220). I ran them with the newer S05E rotors, which are awesome and I love. I had intended on putting them on my bigger bike, but things got weird and with the Brembos coming in a few weeks, I didn't feel like messing with the annoying cable routing twice in a month.
Install was fairly easy, I just did a bleed cup bleed from the lever. I know it's kinda obvious, but I found that working the lever in/out, the pad adjustment in/out, and the lever in various points of rotation helped get the air out from trimming the hoses. I like the fact the lever clamps open all the way, so I don't have to deal with grip removal to move them out. I was able to get everything connected per TRPs video instructions and it was just easy. I know TRP recommends a piston massage and visual alignment, I did the latter but not the former. After mounting/aligning them, all the pistons seemed to move freely so I didn't bother.
I like the lever feel a lot. I've been running Mavens for about a year now on my other bike (I had intended on replacing those with these but things got weird) and the TRP lever is a lot lighter and smoother. There is a fair bit of deadstroke, not an excessive amount but enough that I don't know if these are the best option for riders who run their levers close to the bar. The initial bite point is also a lot weaker compared to Dominion, Intend, Maven, and (depending on settings) Hope. The pad adjustment makes a tangible difference, but I couldn't find a reason to run it further out, I prefer a stronger bite and closer levers. The overall power is great though, once you get past the initial soft-ish bite point, the power ramps up really quickly and they are really easy to manage. I don't feel like I use overall more power with the Mavens or other brakes I've tried, but it does take a little longer to get there with the TRPs. I really liked how easy it was to feather the bite point and make minor adjustments to avoid sliding/skidding esp since I have less grippier tires on my HT. My normal instinct when reading that is to think the brakes lack power and I wouldn't like them, but I don't think that's really an issue here, I still have a bit of room to pull if need be and power comes on pretty quickly after the initial lull in bite, that soft feeling doesn't last long in the lever stroke. It's not going to slam your face into the bars like the ones I mention above, but it's not so slow that my 220lb self can't get along with them.
The soft-ish bite point and lever feel kinda reminds me of the Hope and Trickstuff Maximas. The difference is with the former you can adjust the lever to be as touchy and with a short deadstroke as you want, meaning you can tone them down to feel however you like. The TRPs, like most brakes, kinda have a baseline of deadstroke and bite that they can't exceed, but is livable. The lever isn't as smooth as those two, but the bite point is soft in a similar way they are once the pads engage, so you aren't having to crank down hand power to get power out of them, the transition from bite to skidding is really smooth and subtle at the lever.
These are some of the only brakes I don't see myself using long term but can understand why people do. I've tried a lot of brakesets that I just don't understand why people use them, but these don't fall into that category. I really like the feel, the lever ergonomics, how easy they were to setup, etc. I'd leave them on the bike except I already have another set of brakes for it, but also because one is already leaking. These seem notorious for QC problems and I don't know anyone using them that doesn't have a leak somewhere. I shouldn't have to go over the caliper and tighten everything to spec when they arrive, especially since those specs aren't published anywhere except the bleed bolt. These brakes cost ~$600 new and that's just not acceptable, it also distracts from them otherwise being pretty awesome. I really hope they can sort this out because I liked these a lot otherwise.
If they didnt leak and Unbalance themselves, They've be a great set of brakes.
I've switched all my bikes over to the DH-R non-pro brakes. I think you hit the nail on the head. Alot of people that say they arn't powerful just don't pull them far enought to learn that line. Its kinda non-linear. Also, I think people that come from something like Mavens or Shimanos are expecting that quick bite and just don't feel that. Once you get used to the TRP feel it becomes really useful. I also think they are a brake that rewards harder, shorter braking.
I found a bike shop in Cali clearancing out some Freedom Coast levers and picked up some for $50. I never thought the factory lever was bad or felt weird but I thought I'd try them. I also have large hands so I never had the typical lever close to the bar problem. The Freedom Coast levers are a game changer. I really like how they feel and the hook on the end.
Really struggling with a set of TRPs. The best I've had them feeling was with 2mm galfer rotors and shimano metallic pads, didn't have glazing problems but felt underpowered. Otherwise, every 2.3mm rotor I've tried (2x TRP, most recently tried ones from Lewis) and several different pads (TRP blues, semi-metallics, metallics) have invariably and usually immediately glazed over. This is despite doing what I feel is a very careful and prolonged bedding in every time, trying again with sanding and/or torching pads, resurfacing rotors every way I know how. I can't see any leaks from overnight pressure testing the calipers
I'm just going to get another set of Mavens but I'm even hesitant to sell these out of fear of inflicting pain on someone else. Anyone have any ideas as to wtf is going on? Have I just gotten dud rotors 3 times in a row? Is there some secret trick to bedding in exclusive only to these brakes?
I tried a heap of TRP evo pros.(new bikes plus bought 2 sets to try on release of Pro's.)
the calipers still suck, weeping from bleed screw, leaking pistons and they unbalance under heavy loads
Mavens and no more issues
Put the galfer rotors back on with the same pads that kept glazing and they seem fine. Convinced its some weird interaction with the drilled out TRP rotors and the Lewis ones that look suspiciously similar. Whatever, more Mavens it is. I really like the base but may as well try the B1s, are the B1 Bronze OE only? There don't even seem to be any A1 bronze available
I struggled with a set of TRPs glazing rotors, specifically the RS05E rotors. I honestly thought I just contaminated them somehow and bought a new set of RS01E 203mm rotors. I eventually sold this brakeset to a friend and he hasn't had issues. I moved onto mavens for a variety of reasons, but certainly this was one of them.
I was able to order a set of b1 bronze levers through my local bike shop. I assume that means you can get full b1 bronze brake sets but I am not certain. TBH, I have nothing against the bronze series brakes from sram... but I think I would do the silver if I were doing it all over again. The bronze lever assemblies will have a bit of vertical lever slop that is annoying but not really noticeable in 98% of situations. The bushings will also squeak in time and require cleaning, lubrication and replacement. For that reason, just go with silver imo.
You can buy them piecemeal but for some reason they won't sell you a full thing connected with a hose. I guess silver makes more sense, I get turned off by extra adjustments that I don't use but the pivots probably more than make up for that
Its funny when you search for mavens on buysell you run into just as many TRPs with "selling because I switched to mavens" in the description
Anyone else finding the maven B1s noticeably less powerful than the A1s? I’ve never compared back to back but that is what I’m sensing. I have B1s on my new Crestline and just got back from Squamish where I was definitely getting fatigued on the super steep “creep” style slab moves, especially when you need to dump speed on the slab. I’m heavy (225lbs) and on a 50lb bike but I don’t remember that ever happening with the A1s. Curious other people’s opinions.
The B1 will have less power per X amount of finger pull force compared to the A1, both as a result of having smaller pistons and also the different cam. Even running the B1 cams with A1 caliper I noticed a reduction in power per squeeze force, and went back to the A1 cams.
Yeah, I agree that the b1 overall have less power then a1s. I've tried pretty much all flavors of Maven's and by my estimation the power heirarchy is: Maven Base, Maven B1, Maven B1 levers w/A1 caliper and lastly Maven A1. The A1 are much snappier with a narrower window of modulation from deadband to enough to lock. Whether B1s actually have less power I cannot say, but in practical application when you're clamping down on the brakes they feel like they have less power per mm of lever pull and less power overall.
I still prefer the a1s on my park bike and my full weight/power ebike. I do prefer the b1 on my trail bike, but I occasionally miss the a1s when we're doing trails that are 25-28% gradient and a mile long... similar brake force needed for those as riding sketchy stuff in squamish.
indeed, i've converted some A1 with the gold cam and they feel great in the parking lot but definitely got my hands way more sore than the GR4 or A1 as i'm pulling the levers way more despite being lighter
I too have noticed about 10% less power with B1 cams in the A1 but for 90% of my riding the additional modulation has been great once I got used to it. It's really the long runs and long days in the park that I feel it. I'm thinking of going back to organic pads for some more bite but not sure if there's no net gain losing heat management compared to metallic????
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