The Bikeconomics (Mega)Thread

Suns_PSD wrote:

I have a '26 Wild with the CXR & 600wh battery. In a L with dual coil suspension, dual DH wheels, dual DH tires, 200mm AXS...

I have a '26 Wild with the CXR & 600wh battery. In a L with dual coil suspension, dual DH wheels, dual DH tires, 200mm AXS dropper, electronic shifting & big brakes, it weighs 48.6#s ready to ride with pedals. More importantly it's the most balanced bike I've ever ridden, and it actually feels lighter than my Relay when riding.

 

The custom paint schemes are really cool, and I wanted a nice silver/ blue motif. However, it was thousands of dollars more cost effective to buy a base model CF M20 with the Kiox and CXR that I wanted and just install my own curated parts. That left me having to choose one of their 3 base colors as that was the only option on the base model M20, and it's fine. The green actually looks pretty cool and it's a rarer color. 

 

My advise to Orbea is that everything should be a line item. They should allow you to choose your frame material, then your paint scheme on the CF frames, then each part as a line item all of the way from a base Al frame only, to a completely loaded custom CF bike. 

 

BTW, Orbea provides dealers with 25% off right now on any Bosch standard build. So heck of a time to get a deal.

 

As far as HCR goes, I had never messed with it before this bike and as a result I went with the electronic shifting and dropper to simplify my life. But I have to admit, I rather like it and I think with integration for the dropper and shifter electronics on an e-bike (or even a bike with a small battery for these components), it's the future. Some of you might not know that Orbea already powers the electronic dropper on 2 models directly from the motor system. Moving forward, I think cable ports on the Al cheaper model makes sense so they can run mechanical, but with full integration on the CF frames where HCR is acceptable.

 

My Relay is admittedly a bit of a rat's nest because I slapped it together from take-off parts to sell it, but I do think the Wild just looks way cleaner in part because of HCR.

 

ebikepartyshirt wrote:

The lack of headset routing is not the reason those cables look like shit. They all look a foot too long. 

lloyd506 wrote:

Can hear that rats nest of cables rattling down the trail from here. Clean that mess up. 

MauiMax wrote:

I should add my post from the tech forum here. Any idea what happened with knolly? I see everything sold out and now all of it...

I should add my post from the tech forum here. Any idea what happened with knolly? I see everything sold out and now all of it up for auction. 

https://www.bidspotter.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/maynards-can/catalogue-id-bscma10155 

jeff.brines wrote:

Its a super-duper longshot, but I have watched this play out a few times now. All depends on a few (huge) things...1) Who here sold a...

Its a super-duper longshot, but I have watched this play out a few times now. All depends on a few (huge) things...

1) Who here sold a tech company/has generational wealth/a mega rich uncle/dad who runs a hedge fund and is bored? We'd need 7 figures to buy the thing out of receivership. 
2) What is the price? If the price is right, it works. If its not, its all for nothing.
3) "Who's coming with me?"

The timing is not in our favor, and I can't stress how important point number 1 is. Most people aren't interested in tying up millions of dollars in a failed bike company, even if there is a brand worth saving and a real business underneath it. 

..and yes, I'm completely ignoring how I'd turn the business around in this post, but its a massive lift (obviously). 

 

Jotegr wrote:

Looking at the auction makes me sad. As someone who worked at a shop where everything on the staff side was covered in stickers (aka all...

Looking at the auction makes me sad. As someone who worked at a shop where everything on the staff side was covered in stickers (aka all shops), seeing the lot with the fridge the employees decorated with stickers hit home. 

 

The auctioneer is a bit crazy. A box of loose leaf paper? A lot of what is obviously returned warranty frames? Okay. 

 

I'd be pretty stoked to get the Cane Creek Double Barrel bench grinder, however. I didn't know they were in that space. 

Suns_PSD wrote:

I have a '26 Wild with the CXR & 600wh battery. In a L with dual coil suspension, dual DH wheels, dual DH tires, 200mm AXS...

I have a '26 Wild with the CXR & 600wh battery. In a L with dual coil suspension, dual DH wheels, dual DH tires, 200mm AXS dropper, electronic shifting & big brakes, it weighs 48.6#s ready to ride with pedals. More importantly it's the most balanced bike I've ever ridden, and it actually feels lighter than my Relay when riding.

 

The custom paint schemes are really cool, and I wanted a nice silver/ blue motif. However, it was thousands of dollars more cost effective to buy a base model CF M20 with the Kiox and CXR that I wanted and just install my own curated parts. That left me having to choose one of their 3 base colors as that was the only option on the base model M20, and it's fine. The green actually looks pretty cool and it's a rarer color. 

 

My advise to Orbea is that everything should be a line item. They should allow you to choose your frame material, then your paint scheme on the CF frames, then each part as a line item all of the way from a base Al frame only, to a completely loaded custom CF bike. 

 

BTW, Orbea provides dealers with 25% off right now on any Bosch standard build. So heck of a time to get a deal.

 

As far as HCR goes, I had never messed with it before this bike and as a result I went with the electronic shifting and dropper to simplify my life. But I have to admit, I rather like it and I think with integration for the dropper and shifter electronics on an e-bike (or even a bike with a small battery for these components), it's the future. Some of you might not know that Orbea already powers the electronic dropper on 2 models directly from the motor system. Moving forward, I think cable ports on the Al cheaper model makes sense so they can run mechanical, but with full integration on the CF frames where HCR is acceptable.

 

My Relay is admittedly a bit of a rat's nest because I slapped it together from take-off parts to sell it, but I do think the Wild just looks way cleaner in part because of HCR.

 

ebikepartyshirt wrote:

The lack of headset routing is not the reason those cables look like shit. They all look a foot too long. 

sweaman22 wrote:

Escape collective has just released the first (of several) follow up podcasts on the state of the industry.  I've only just started the first but if...

Escape collective has just released the first (of several) follow up podcasts on the state of the industry.  I've only just started the first but if it's like the previous set they'll be worth a listen.