2025 Race Talk

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10/2/2025 6:55am Edited Date/Time 10/2/2025 6:56am

Just heard the little "pre-race" interview with Bruni about racing. He dropped Jackson's name as reason to be on point AND Luca.
We all know he's due a half dozen wins but just good to hear the best saying out loud who they know are the riders to watch out for.
 

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10/2/2025 7:51am

Guys, please bring this type of chit chat over to the “Skiable mountain bike trails” thread, ok?

And you never thought of ski/boarding 7 at Bromont?!!

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10/2/2025 4:55pm
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there was a fair amount buzz at crankworx this year that there won't be another crankworx, and that red bull pulled out of joyride for 2026...

there was a fair amount buzz at crankworx this year that there won't be another crankworx, and that red bull pulled out of joyride for 2026. put the WC there instead? hoping it's not true. 

replying to posts today regarding the MSA crankworx announcement Darren Kinnaird confirmed that Whistler is still on the calendar just finalizing dates.

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If they are doing a Q1 and Q2 system, which I think works as much as it may be stressful at times, they should drop points in quali. There’s more than enough incentive for a good run and it makes the points focused on the finals which actually matter. 

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10/5/2025 5:03am Edited Date/Time 10/5/2025 5:04am
MPH24 wrote:
If they are doing a Q1 and Q2 system, which I think works as much as it may be stressful at times, they should drop points...

If they are doing a Q1 and Q2 system, which I think works as much as it may be stressful at times, they should drop points in quali. There’s more than enough incentive for a good run and it makes the points focused on the finals which actually matter. 

Yep, overall titles being decided by qualifying points is lame. Give the riders uci (non series) points for qualifying so the riders are more valuable for team rankings.

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10/5/2025 2:40pm

In the LP WynTV post race vid Wyn tried to convince Vali to run shorts in the finals at MSA. So the Vital bounty might be back on. 

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10/5/2025 3:17pm

I assume wearing shorts in a DHI event still attracts a fine under the rules

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10/5/2025 5:23pm

like for finals? one of the Yeti boys wore shorts didn't he? Jonty orrr? but that was in practice I think

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10/5/2025 5:36pm Edited Date/Time 10/5/2025 5:36pm
Poleczechy wrote:
In the LP WynTV post race vid Wyn tried to convince Vali to run shorts in the finals at MSA. So the Vital bounty might be...

In the LP WynTV post race vid Wyn tried to convince Vali to run shorts in the finals at MSA. So the Vital bounty might be back on. 

She lost a bet that if she wrapped up the overall before the last round then she would have to race in shorts for the last round.


You can race in shorts as long as your pads go from the top of the knee to the ankle

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10/5/2025 6:20pm

Blevins laying it down and winning both the race and the overall, the first American to do the overall win since Tomac. That and that xc course like many of the last ones was sick.

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10/6/2025 3:43am

What’s the deal for next race in term of overall for the elite men? Jackson has to absolutely finish first to win it ? Thanks 

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10/6/2025 4:04am
Tarhic wrote:

What’s the deal for next race in term of overall for the elite men? Jackson has to absolutely finish first to win it ? Thanks 

There is 72 points between them. No quali points at msa. IMG 1805

10/6/2025 4:07am
Tarhic wrote:

What’s the deal for next race in term of overall for the elite men? Jackson has to absolutely finish first to win it ? Thanks 

There are many scenarios possible. Loic has a 72-point lead, and there are 250 points on the table for the winner (there are no points given for qualifying in the final round of the World Cup, per UCI rules). The points are awarded as follows, from the winner down through the ranks: 250-210-180-160-140-125-110-95-80-75-and it keeps dropping down to the 30th place. If Jackson wins and Loic is third, Loic still takes the overall by 2 points. If Loic doesn't get ANY points at all, Jackson only needs 10th place or better. Let's say Jackson is third, he then needs Loic to be 8th or worse. Some scenarios...

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10/6/2025 6:18am

FWIW: Comparing the 2025 World Cup* seasons of Bruni and Goldstone, through the first 9 races. 

[*World Championships not included. Goldstone won that race and Bruni wrecked, finishing 49th. This race is excluded because it didn't affect the WC overall standings. If included, it would have changed the avg. finish to Bruni: 9.3 Goldstone: 7.2.]

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Tarhic wrote:

What’s the deal for next race in term of overall for the elite men? Jackson has to absolutely finish first to win it ? Thanks 

iceman2058 wrote:
There are many scenarios possible. Loic has a 72-point lead, and there are 250 points on the table for the winner (there are no points given...

There are many scenarios possible. Loic has a 72-point lead, and there are 250 points on the table for the winner (there are no points given for qualifying in the final round of the World Cup, per UCI rules). The points are awarded as follows, from the winner down through the ranks: 250-210-180-160-140-125-110-95-80-75-and it keeps dropping down to the 30th place. If Jackson wins and Loic is third, Loic still takes the overall by 2 points. If Loic doesn't get ANY points at all, Jackson only needs 10th place or better. Let's say Jackson is third, he then needs Loic to be 8th or worse. Some scenarios...

I can't wait. This is shades of 2019. And every rider who puts themselves between these riders is going to cause havoc. Especially if they aren't going 1-2, as they have been faltering as of late. The points margins get so much smaller down there. Jackson will need a lot of riders to finish between them. (Or in other words, he needs Loic to crash out if he finishes lower...)

Chances are it will be a full on win or lose. Do or die. For Jackson. Even just going 2nd will make it tougher and tougher to expect other riders to push Loic's points down low enough.

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10/6/2025 8:38am
bizutch wrote:

I hear they struggle with the time change 🤣

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Rumour has it that Ric and Josh might be pulling out all stops  at MSA and saving their  best commentary for last. Sounds  like there is plan to use the words " Penultimate "  and  "Goolie"   together in one sentence 327 times over the broadcast weekend . Lucky us🤣

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10/6/2025 9:39am
HmmmMtb wrote:
Rumour has it that Ric and Josh might be pulling out all stops  at MSA and saving their  best commentary for last. Sounds  like there is...

Rumour has it that Ric and Josh might be pulling out all stops  at MSA and saving their  best commentary for last. Sounds  like there is plan to use the words " Penultimate "  and  "Goolie"   together in one sentence 327 times over the broadcast weekend . Lucky us🤣

I heard Ric was going to announce the whole thing in French Canadian. 

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10/6/2025 9:44am
bizutch wrote:

UCI has results from WC races on its web site going back to 2017. I took a look at the Elite results for both men and women for all the races held in the US since 2017, and found this:

Number of race winners in US races: France: 4   US: 0

Number of 2nd place finishes in US races: France: 5   US: 1

[Side note: The US has 5 times the population of France.] 

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10/6/2025 9:44am

MSA is a great track with lots of hukk-a-bucks. 

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10/6/2025 9:44am
bizutch wrote:

Hahaha #USDH are winning neither of them 😜

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10/6/2025 9:55am
HmmmMtb wrote:
Rumour has it that Ric and Josh might be pulling out all stops  at MSA and saving their  best commentary for last. Sounds  like there is...

Rumour has it that Ric and Josh might be pulling out all stops  at MSA and saving their  best commentary for last. Sounds  like there is plan to use the words " Penultimate "  and  "Goolie"   together in one sentence 327 times over the broadcast weekend . Lucky us🤣

PisgahGnar wrote:

I heard Ric was going to announce the whole thing in French Canadian. 

Could be an improvement 🤣

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10/6/2025 10:54am
bizutch wrote:

UCI has results from WC races on its web site going back to 2017. I took a look at the Elite results for both men and...

UCI has results from WC races on its web site going back to 2017. I took a look at the Elite results for both men and women for all the races held in the US since 2017, and found this:

Number of race winners in US races: France: 4   US: 0

Number of 2nd place finishes in US races: France: 5   US: 1

[Side note: The US has 5 times the population of France.] 

Yeah but we’re not French so that’s gotta count for something. 

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10/6/2025 11:30am
bizutch wrote:

UCI has results from WC races on its web site going back to 2017. I took a look at the Elite results for both men and...

UCI has results from WC races on its web site going back to 2017. I took a look at the Elite results for both men and women for all the races held in the US since 2017, and found this:

Number of race winners in US races: France: 4   US: 0

Number of 2nd place finishes in US races: France: 5   US: 1

[Side note: The US has 5 times the population of France.] 

Awww...100% of statistics benefit the person quoting them.
We're talking about this week & this week only.

And plenty of other countries you left out of your post look forward to the opportunity to win outside of the Central Standard time zone. :D


 

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No pants | YT MOB IN THE MSA START HUT; WE ARE GO FOR VITAL SHORTS BOUNTY | image tagged in no pants | made w/ Imgflip meme maker

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10/6/2025 11:58am
bizutch wrote:

UCI has results from WC races on its web site going back to 2017. I took a look at the Elite results for both men and...

UCI has results from WC races on its web site going back to 2017. I took a look at the Elite results for both men and women for all the races held in the US since 2017, and found this:

Number of race winners in US races: France: 4   US: 0

Number of 2nd place finishes in US races: France: 5   US: 1

[Side note: The US has 5 times the population of France.] 

bizutch wrote:
Awww...100% of statistics benefit the person quoting them.We're talking about this week & this week only.And plenty of other countries you left out of your post...

Awww...100% of statistics benefit the person quoting them.
We're talking about this week & this week only.

And plenty of other countries you left out of your post look forward to the opportunity to win outside of the Central Standard time zone. :D


 

Did you miss that Max Alran had the second fastest time of the weekend? 

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10/6/2025 12:13pm
bizutch wrote:
Awww...100% of statistics benefit the person quoting them.We're talking about this week & this week only.And plenty of other countries you left out of your post...

Awww...100% of statistics benefit the person quoting them.
We're talking about this week & this week only.

And plenty of other countries you left out of your post look forward to the opportunity to win outside of the Central Standard time zone. :D


 

You mentioned only France and the US, so I limited my comment to those countries in my reply to you. 

You didn't restrict your comment to "this week." I merely pointed out that the French seem to do quite well when they race in the US, particularly as compared to the performance of the US racers. 

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bizutch
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10/6/2025 12:52pm
bizutch wrote:
Awww...100% of statistics benefit the person quoting them.We're talking about this week & this week only.And plenty of other countries you left out of your post...

Awww...100% of statistics benefit the person quoting them.
We're talking about this week & this week only.

And plenty of other countries you left out of your post look forward to the opportunity to win outside of the Central Standard time zone. :D


 

You mentioned only France and the US, so I limited my comment to those countries in my reply to you. You didn't restrict your comment to "this...

You mentioned only France and the US, so I limited my comment to those countries in my reply to you. 

You didn't restrict your comment to "this week." I merely pointed out that the French seem to do quite well when they race in the US, particularly as compared to the performance of the US racers. 

It'll be ok. Nothing terribly serious on here. 
Just nice to have a country with 35% of the top 30 men have to get on a plane for once.
Makes it feel more like a "World" cup.

North America, South America, Australia & New Zealand balled out this week.
Weird thing was the less than stellar Canadian showing outside Jackson.    

I argue the same thing in my daughter's sport of softball. Oklahoma & Oklahoma State just so happen to dominate the playoff system when unsurprisingly the WCWS is a 30 minute drive from both campuses.  


 

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