Breakaway series from WC now possible?

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After this ruling by the EU court:

https://www.reuters.com/sports/soccer/court-rules-uefa-fifa-breached-eu…

some of UCIs leverage against another organization sanctioning races/-series should be gone.

Right now UCI threatens athletes that have a license from them to not participate in non-sanctioned events or otherwise they would lose their license. After this ruling, this should not be possible anymore, which would open up the possibility for an organisation to step in and offer races that do not have to be UCI sanctioned and attract all the major pros. 

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iRider wrote:
After this ruling by the EU court: https://www.reuters.com/sports/soccer/court-rules-uefa-fifa-breached-eu-law-over-super-league-2023-12-21/ some of UCIs leverage against another organization sanctioning races/-series should be gone. Right now UCI threatens athletes that...

After this ruling by the EU court:

https://www.reuters.com/sports/soccer/court-rules-uefa-fifa-breached-eu…

some of UCIs leverage against another organization sanctioning races/-series should be gone.

Right now UCI threatens athletes that have a license from them to not participate in non-sanctioned events or otherwise they would lose their license. After this ruling, this should not be possible anymore, which would open up the possibility for an organisation to step in and offer races that do not have to be UCI sanctioned and attract all the major pros. 

Unless the organiser has extremally deep pockets and is happy to loose money I can't see anyone or a business willing to organise a breakaway series that competes with the World Cup series.

1/3/2024 4:56am

Right now UCI threatens athletes that have a license from them to not participate in non-sanctioned events or otherwise they would lose their license. 

 

Who? When? Which events? 

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Right now UCI threatens athletes that have a license from them to not participate in non-sanctioned events or otherwise they would lose their license.    Who...

Right now UCI threatens athletes that have a license from them to not participate in non-sanctioned events or otherwise they would lose their license. 

 

Who? When? Which events? 

This was introduced years ago when when RedBull took the DH from Freecaster and Freecaster announced its own DH series and then UCI said they will sanction anyone who competes in said series. It never happened and they never imposed that rule, but I believe it is still there if needed 

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1/3/2024 5:54am

DH1 happened and then evolved into the Belgian (UCI sanctioned) national DH series. IMO Freecaster's loss was more due to the emergence of RedBull as a live broadcaster than their race series not having the sustainability they'd hoped for.

In the current climate, there's far less risk to support feeder events for world cup than a breakaway series.

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interesting. since DH is probably the smallest segment of UCI participation, does anyone know if UCI flexes on road or other disciplines that have tried to break out? if so, that's where the real dust-up could be.

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1/3/2024 12:42pm Edited Date/Time 1/3/2024 12:43pm
sspomer wrote:
interesting. since DH is probably the smallest segment of UCI participation, does anyone know if UCI flexes on road or other disciplines that have tried to...

interesting. since DH is probably the smallest segment of UCI participation, does anyone know if UCI flexes on road or other disciplines that have tried to break out? if so, that's where the real dust-up could be.

i'd have to find the article, but back in december they more or less publicly scolded a CX racer for choosing a national series race over a UCI WC. not a series like you were asking, but they seem to keep everyone in line. 

 

also, 4x and observed trials are probably smaller than DH, but are still governed by the UCI.   nerd.jpg

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A couple of years back when the UCI got interested in the XC marathon category, they have cracked down on their licensed riders as they were participating in many events that were not UCI approved. These were popular with the sponsors of the riders because of the masses of participants and good exposure. Not sure how this ended, but some events stopped, others got UCI approval. 

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1/3/2024 12:53pm Edited Date/Time 1/3/2024 12:56pm
sspomer wrote:
interesting. since DH is probably the smallest segment of UCI participation, does anyone know if UCI flexes on road or other disciplines that have tried to...

interesting. since DH is probably the smallest segment of UCI participation, does anyone know if UCI flexes on road or other disciplines that have tried to break out? if so, that's where the real dust-up could be.

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i'd have to find the article, but back in december they more or less publicly scolded a CX racer for choosing a national series race over...

i'd have to find the article, but back in december they more or less publicly scolded a CX racer for choosing a national series race over a UCI WC. not a series like you were asking, but they seem to keep everyone in line. 

 

also, 4x and observed trials are probably smaller than DH, but are still governed by the UCI.   nerd.jpg

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cyclocross-riders-and-teams-hit-back-a…

Would be nice if they would apply the same standard to XC World Champs where they took away the need to have raced World Cup races so that some roadie pros could participate and get better starting grid positions. Silly

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jonkranked wrote:
i'd have to find the article, but back in december they more or less publicly scolded a CX racer for choosing a national series race over...

i'd have to find the article, but back in december they more or less publicly scolded a CX racer for choosing a national series race over a UCI WC. not a series like you were asking, but they seem to keep everyone in line. 

 

also, 4x and observed trials are probably smaller than DH, but are still governed by the UCI.   nerd.jpg

lol very true about 4x and trials.

1/3/2024 3:07pm

I remember UCI issuing some threats for world-tour pros wanting to participate in some non-uci road races and Track racing could be one that see the most non-uci events in light of this judgment.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/uci-rules-new-track-cycling-series-a-forbidden-event-and-threatens-to-fine-riders

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I remember years ago UCI had something about unsanctioned events and pros would show up for practice at Fontucky but could not race due some new rule or a rule they were threatening to enforce.  

1/3/2024 10:45pm

If I remember well, last years in trials some riders were threatened by our lovely UCI not to compete in another serie (essentially for training propose since there were 4 World Cups during the season...).

Finally a promising EU rule.

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1/4/2024 2:04am

Doesn't need to be a 'breakaway' series; just another series for top riders to race in. 6-9 World Cups is nowhere near enough for an Elite level sport. Sponsors aren't getting enough exposure, so go elsewhere, rather than MTB.

Look at another cycling discipline, CX which has a World Cup, plus lots of other series, which are on TV/ streamed......It can be done under the UCI.

All it needs is the $$$$$, sponsorship, and people to run/ organise it all.......

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1/4/2024 7:24am

Didn't the UCI also mess with the FIM e-bike world championship?

 

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Philip747 wrote:

Didn't the UCI also mess with the FIM e-bike world championship?

 

yea, i remember that. but in all fairness that was a joke. i don't know if anyone remembers it but holy cow was it bad.

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Philip747 wrote:

Didn't the UCI also mess with the FIM e-bike world championship?

 

jonkranked wrote:

yea, i remember that. but in all fairness that was a joke. i don't know if anyone remembers it but holy cow was it bad.

In fairness I think that was more the FIM messing around trying to set a precedent by testing the line in the sand separating throttle and pedal assist.

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jonkranked wrote:

yea, i remember that. but in all fairness that was a joke. i don't know if anyone remembers it but holy cow was it bad.

Just wanted everyone to remember that shit showTongue

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1/4/2024 11:16am Edited Date/Time 1/4/2024 11:25am
Right now UCI threatens athletes that have a license from them to not participate in non-sanctioned events or otherwise they would lose their license.    Who...

Right now UCI threatens athletes that have a license from them to not participate in non-sanctioned events or otherwise they would lose their license. 

 

Who? When? Which events? 

Karabuka wrote:
This was introduced years ago when when RedBull took the DH from Freecaster and Freecaster announced its own DH series and then UCI said they will...

This was introduced years ago when when RedBull took the DH from Freecaster and Freecaster announced its own DH series and then UCI said they will sanction anyone who competes in said series. It never happened and they never imposed that rule, but I believe it is still there if needed 

I think the law was originally created because of breakaway races in other disciplines. As far as DH1 was concerned, I believe the UCI initially said that, but then DH1 was incorporated into the UCI calendar and riders wouldn't have been fined or lost their license (at least according to Raymond Dulieu, Freecaster owner).

https://www.mbr.co.uk/news/event_news/freecaster-to-launch-rival-race-s…

Taken from the interview;

“I spoke to the UCI this morning [Tuesday] and now the UCI want to add DH1 to the racing calendar,” Dulieu told mbr. “That means the riders will not be ostracised, no retaliation.”

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A break away series was always 'possible'. The races would only need Cat3 Uci status like Hardline gets every year (interestingly for now the 24 Hardline events are not on the uci calendar?)

Nothing has stopped the CWX series from growing and increasing TV coverage while under Uci rules.

It would be possible that if a series grew to really rival the World Cups that in the past the UCI would have started to pull uci status from events in a political move. But really, it's never happened, nor is it likely.

So as long as an organisation is happy to run an event using the uci rule book and have a commissaire show up then you could easily run a "break away series".

If this court ruling makes it possible to do a series without UCI status then I think it would have to be really really good off the bat, cos the riders wouldn't risk political nightmares for anything less then big money, long term stability and great tracks.

 

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Im not so sure about that. The UCI probably would not care until they perceive it as a threat to their position. If top riders all of a sudden stopped showing up to WC DH races in favor of a breakaway series, Im sure the UCI would take action based on whatever legal standing they have. 

You also would probably have some riders that decide to still race the UCI WC races and then the possibility of some lower tier rider being the winner of what is generally perceived as the definitive race series by laypeople. 

It's nice to romanticize about this, but a breakaway series would probably be far more messy of a situation than most people want to believe. 

I think a far more likely scenario is some protest action taken by the athletes to help get things back on track. Also, here we are, all complaining on the internet....which does totally nothing. If this energy was put into letters to the UCI, petitions, supporting the riders to form some sort of union ect....things might actually get done. The riders are the product and when there is enough discontent, they have the power to leave the UCI and Disco with no product; it just seems that we are not there yet. 

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