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11/19/2020 1:56pm
Seems like a new bike from marin as well
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11/19/2020 2:20pm
Karabuka wrote:
Seems like a new bike from marin as well [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2020/11/19/10076/s1200_Screenshot_20201119_225521_Instagram.jpg[/img]
Seems like a new bike from marin as well
Carbon Alpine trail frame eh.
11/19/2020 2:57pm
kwapik wrote:
And they talked it over and came to an agreement with Slik continuing to produce Fox decals.
But they still cant make the decals - last update form Slik was in July that they were working on it.. 3 months later and still nada...?
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Karabuka wrote:
Seems like a new bike from marin as well [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2020/11/19/10076/s1200_Screenshot_20201119_225521_Instagram.jpg[/img]
Seems like a new bike from marin as well
oliosky wrote:
Carbon Alpine trail frame eh.
I wonder if this is the new Wolf Ridge and they've ditched the Naild rear end. Or if they'll call it the Alpine trail carbon to keep naming in line with purpose like they did with the rift zone this year.
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New ebike just arrived at my local Bikeshop it looks really good and comes stock with the mt7 brakes![img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2020/11/19/10073/s1200_EF409D49_A963_452E_8992_F17570B1550B.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2020/11/19/10075/s1200_A6D6D68A_5766_4896_A008_FF22A8F99632.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2020/11/19/10074/s1200_E2BA9923_E0FD_407C_9CCF_EE8BA48FB994.jpg[/img]
New ebike just arrived at my local Bikeshop it looks really good and comes stock with the mt7 brakes!

forgot to post the side view pic
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11/20/2020 1:22am
I recon it's a SJ EVO SL. Because that's the only bike in their line-up with the rocker up high and close to the top-tube. I feel like this is quite likely as specialized put so much work into the new linkage for the ST EVO and would want to bring it across to other models.

https://youtu.be/pNdp96YOYsY
11/20/2020 1:30am
Leo Molloy wrote:
I recon it's a SJ EVO SL. Because that's the only bike in their line-up with the rocker up high and close to the top-tube. I...
I recon it's a SJ EVO SL. Because that's the only bike in their line-up with the rocker up high and close to the top-tube. I feel like this is quite likely as specialized put so much work into the new linkage for the ST EVO and would want to bring it across to other models.

https://youtu.be/pNdp96YOYsY
It isn’t
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11/20/2020 9:19am
$AUD
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danposs86 wrote:
$AUD
Good point, its still 18000 canadian
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11/20/2020 11:06am
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$AUD
metadave wrote:
Good point, its still 18000 canadian
And well over $15k USD. That is insane.
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Primoz
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11/20/2020 11:11am
E-bikes... Just another reason more to never own one when you can have two normal, better bikes for the price of an e-bike Tongue
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11/20/2020 12:32pm
Primoz wrote:
E-bikes... Just another reason more to never own one when you can have two normal, better bikes for the price of an e-bike Tongue
You can own 3 pretty great bikes for that
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11/20/2020 12:45pm
Give me a 150ish full susses (which I have), a nice road bike for shits and giggles (for 5 times a year if I'm honest, maybe at that) and throw the rest at awesome trips. You'd have well over 5k to spend, that's Trans Madeira, a Whistler trip, a Megavalanche trip and probably some of it will still be left after that.
11/20/2020 1:04pm
Primoz wrote:
E-bikes... Just another reason more to never own one when you can have two normal, better bikes for the price of an e-bike Tongue
metadave wrote:
You can own 3 pretty great bikes for that
Hell I'd argue 4-5 pretty great bikes, if you're talking about 4k each in cad, usd, aus, whatever. Hardtail, trail bike, enduro, DH could all be pretty slick if you spread the money around right. Just insane pricing
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11/20/2020 2:39pm
I think when you're spending $21k on a bike, you don't care that you can have 4 bikes and some trips for that price. You can have all that, too. Ain't nobody shaking out their couch for quarters to buy this thing.
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11/20/2020 11:13pm
The current model enduro is not a 6 bar. it's still got 4 bar pedalling , axle path and braking characteristics. It's a horst link 4 bar with shock linkage
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11/21/2020 12:31am
I've mentioned that above, yeah...

As for not caring about the price, true, 21k for a bike is the territory of 'give me the most expensive bike you have, I don't care what it is'. It might not even be about the best, it might just be about the most expensive. Being a status symbol.

You can easily get just as much performance for a lot less money with some sensible component choices though. I don't really have problems with spending lots of money on bikes, but I can only justify it when it also makes technical sense. There has to be a certain benefit to the thing costing lots other than the price itself. Carbon frames, wheels, cockpit and cranks? Give me aluminium alternatives, that are well engineered, perform about as well, cost less and are more durable and less sensitive to impacts. Kashima suspension? For the money I'd likely prefer to go with something more boutique with more attention to detail, like Intend. And so on.

But yeah, I'm weird like that. I'd rather ride an unmarked, one-off, completely custom frame that completely fits to the requirements I have and that nobody knows what is and hope nobody asks about it than the most expensive S-works model lots of people are salivating over.
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11/21/2020 3:19am
I think spec made this bike for the headlines. if there top end model had "normal people" components then they wouldn't be able to achieve the headline "BRAND NEW EBIKE THAT ONLY WEIGHS 17KG!!!!!!" Everyone involved knows there not going to sell many of these. They are mainly gonna be used at press camps so reviewers have the best possible experience.
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11/21/2020 8:42am
spoon_ wrote:
The current model enduro is not a 6 bar. it's still got 4 bar pedalling , axle path and braking characteristics. It's a horst link 4...
The current model enduro is not a 6 bar. it's still got 4 bar pedalling , axle path and braking characteristics. It's a horst link 4 bar with shock linkage
For sure. There are still 6 bars, but the additional 2 bars are just for shock actuation. It ain't no Felt Equilink! It looks exactly like the new Enduro, but with a motor.
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11/21/2020 1:20pm
True and honestly, kudos to Spec for making an easily sub-20 kg e-bike, it really does make a difference handling wise.

As for the links, by your logic the Commencal lineup currently uses 4-bar suspension systems. Or the Knolly lienup also uses 6-bar linkages.

It's sadly not how it works, the number of links defining the axle path defines the bar-ness or link-ness of the system. If you use 15 links to drive the shock it's irrelevant, the suspension performance (antisquat and antirise) will not change. Therefore Commencals are single pivots (as you can mount the rear wheel to the front triangle and move it through the suspension travel by using only one link, the chainstay) and the Enduro and Knollys are 4-bar linkages. Additional links to drive the shock are there to either alter the layout of the bike or to provide the leverage ratios that the designers want. Or possibly just to look a bit different.
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11/21/2020 10:36pm
Primoz wrote:
True and honestly, kudos to Spec for making an easily sub-20 kg e-bike, it really does make a difference handling wise. As for the links, by...
True and honestly, kudos to Spec for making an easily sub-20 kg e-bike, it really does make a difference handling wise.

As for the links, by your logic the Commencal lineup currently uses 4-bar suspension systems. Or the Knolly lienup also uses 6-bar linkages.

It's sadly not how it works, the number of links defining the axle path defines the bar-ness or link-ness of the system. If you use 15 links to drive the shock it's irrelevant, the suspension performance (antisquat and antirise) will not change. Therefore Commencals are single pivots (as you can mount the rear wheel to the front triangle and move it through the suspension travel by using only one link, the chainstay) and the Enduro and Knollys are 4-bar linkages. Additional links to drive the shock are there to either alter the layout of the bike or to provide the leverage ratios that the designers want. Or possibly just to look a bit different.
Very true.

On the topic of ebikes, i think that 17kg ultra light ebikes are a false economy. Yes the light weight grabs headlines. But take a look at all the spec they have had to used to meet that weight. XC weight weenie parts do not belong on a 17kg 6 inch travel bike.
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11/21/2020 11:00pm
Primoz wrote:
True and honestly, kudos to Spec for making an easily sub-20 kg e-bike, it really does make a difference handling wise. As for the links, by...
True and honestly, kudos to Spec for making an easily sub-20 kg e-bike, it really does make a difference handling wise.

As for the links, by your logic the Commencal lineup currently uses 4-bar suspension systems. Or the Knolly lienup also uses 6-bar linkages.

It's sadly not how it works, the number of links defining the axle path defines the bar-ness or link-ness of the system. If you use 15 links to drive the shock it's irrelevant, the suspension performance (antisquat and antirise) will not change. Therefore Commencals are single pivots (as you can mount the rear wheel to the front triangle and move it through the suspension travel by using only one link, the chainstay) and the Enduro and Knollys are 4-bar linkages. Additional links to drive the shock are there to either alter the layout of the bike or to provide the leverage ratios that the designers want. Or possibly just to look a bit different.
spoon_ wrote:
Very true. On the topic of ebikes, i think that 17kg ultra light ebikes are a false economy. Yes the light weight grabs headlines. But take...
Very true.

On the topic of ebikes, i think that 17kg ultra light ebikes are a false economy. Yes the light weight grabs headlines. But take a look at all the spec they have had to used to meet that weight. XC weight weenie parts do not belong on a 17kg 6 inch travel bike.
Its almost like e-bikes will force companies to make better products for new age trail abuse, instead of reproducing the same shit year after year in a different color and making consumer believe its better than last years option's. Or maby not.............
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metadave
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11/21/2020 11:07pm
Primoz wrote:
True and honestly, kudos to Spec for making an easily sub-20 kg e-bike, it really does make a difference handling wise. As for the links, by...
True and honestly, kudos to Spec for making an easily sub-20 kg e-bike, it really does make a difference handling wise.

As for the links, by your logic the Commencal lineup currently uses 4-bar suspension systems. Or the Knolly lienup also uses 6-bar linkages.

It's sadly not how it works, the number of links defining the axle path defines the bar-ness or link-ness of the system. If you use 15 links to drive the shock it's irrelevant, the suspension performance (antisquat and antirise) will not change. Therefore Commencals are single pivots (as you can mount the rear wheel to the front triangle and move it through the suspension travel by using only one link, the chainstay) and the Enduro and Knollys are 4-bar linkages. Additional links to drive the shock are there to either alter the layout of the bike or to provide the leverage ratios that the designers want. Or possibly just to look a bit different.
spoon_ wrote:
Very true. On the topic of ebikes, i think that 17kg ultra light ebikes are a false economy. Yes the light weight grabs headlines. But take...
Very true.

On the topic of ebikes, i think that 17kg ultra light ebikes are a false economy. Yes the light weight grabs headlines. But take a look at all the spec they have had to used to meet that weight. XC weight weenie parts do not belong on a 17kg 6 inch travel bike.
Given that I'm putting Ebike spec parts on my Enduro bikes so they'll last full seasons, yea I can see your point.
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11/22/2020 1:22am
Primoz wrote:
True and honestly, kudos to Spec for making an easily sub-20 kg e-bike, it really does make a difference handling wise. As for the links, by...
True and honestly, kudos to Spec for making an easily sub-20 kg e-bike, it really does make a difference handling wise.

As for the links, by your logic the Commencal lineup currently uses 4-bar suspension systems. Or the Knolly lienup also uses 6-bar linkages.

It's sadly not how it works, the number of links defining the axle path defines the bar-ness or link-ness of the system. If you use 15 links to drive the shock it's irrelevant, the suspension performance (antisquat and antirise) will not change. Therefore Commencals are single pivots (as you can mount the rear wheel to the front triangle and move it through the suspension travel by using only one link, the chainstay) and the Enduro and Knollys are 4-bar linkages. Additional links to drive the shock are there to either alter the layout of the bike or to provide the leverage ratios that the designers want. Or possibly just to look a bit different.
spoon_ wrote:
Very true. On the topic of ebikes, i think that 17kg ultra light ebikes are a false economy. Yes the light weight grabs headlines. But take...
Very true.

On the topic of ebikes, i think that 17kg ultra light ebikes are a false economy. Yes the light weight grabs headlines. But take a look at all the spec they have had to used to meet that weight. XC weight weenie parts do not belong on a 17kg 6 inch travel bike.
stringbean wrote:
Its almost like e-bikes will force companies to make better products for new age trail abuse, instead of reproducing the same shit year after year in...
Its almost like e-bikes will force companies to make better products for new age trail abuse, instead of reproducing the same shit year after year in a different color and making consumer believe its better than last years option's. Or maby not.............
Mate no one is forcing you to buy the updated products. That's all on you. Ebikes aren't gonna make people all of a sudden discover magic ways to make parts 40% lighter without making it way more expensive or weaker. There is no magic involved, it's all design and engineering.

Though i do agree some things like forks seem to be suspiciously slowly improved. almost as if they planned all the updates from the start but wanted to sell extra upgrades
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