I sure did, hence the “as already mentioned” part of my sentence there 😉
They're going to want to cut costs if they do a waiting period. One of the biggest things is running a leaner production and not having a full broadcast truck.
I mean there's already rumors RB is out after this, regardless of any validity behind it. I think they one thing they aren't trying to do is spend more and more. Just my crystal ball there.
Also when I say don't do a live show. I literally mean cut a show to premier immediately after the event. And some other things I can't mention. But basically cut out all the fluff. It's entirely possible every rider could have gotten their first run in if you simply stop with all the interludes, as well as all pre-show. Even with Storch's unfortunate helivac.
I'm not quite hitting on the functional difference between live show and event recap premiering an hour or two after the event.
Peak of Rampage for me was Kelly McGarrys backflip over the canyon .
Since then only Silvas attempted double backflip is the only thing that's really stood out as a move that's separated itself from the rest and that had pretty tragic consequences.
Hardline Wales needed to be changed and the organisers have done that .
Rampage needs to be drastically changed or scrapped altogether
Rampage may just have to die. It had a sick run, and it's upside is obviously incredibly rad, but the downsides are insane. Judging by the features the boys built and the mad sends we saw in the limited runs, had it proceeded, there's a really good chance that we would have seen another year marred by life-changing injuries.
Again, it's had a good run, and it's really cool to see the progression over the years, but if this is Redbull Rampage's Group B Rally Car moment, it might be for the best.
Nothing lasts forever, and they've miraculously made it this far without broadcasting a young man's death to millions of viewers. If they keep going, though, someone is falling off a giant cliff. It might be time to just take the dub and put the whole thing to rest.
Rampage may just have to die. It had a sick run, and it's upside is obviously incredibly rad, but the downsides are insane. Judging by the...
Rampage may just have to die. It had a sick run, and it's upside is obviously incredibly rad, but the downsides are insane. Judging by the features the boys built and the mad sends we saw in the limited runs, had it proceeded, there's a really good chance that we would have seen another year marred by life-changing injuries.
Again, it's had a good run, and it's really cool to see the progression over the years, but if this is Redbull Rampage's Group B Rally Car moment, it might be for the best.
Nothing lasts forever, and they've miraculously made it this far without broadcasting a young man's death to millions of viewers. If they keep going, though, someone is falling off a giant cliff. It might be time to just take the dub and put the whole thing to rest.
"If they keep going, though, someone is falling off a giant cliff."
That last part is all I could think about when I first saw Lamoine's gap. He made the gap and still had a slam. Someone's going to land something a little far back, not be able to grab brakes, and just toss it all off a cliff...or overshoot something and not be able to get settled in time and only stop 90 feet below on the desert floor.
Rampage is SO sick but it might be worth re-evaluating for a couple years and re-approach it with an effort toward life preservation. At World Cup races, it seems like the limited practice time prevents the racers from really dialing up the intensity that could come with a little more practice at nailing their lines. I wonder if fewer build days, a limit of build time per feature, and/or a maximum number of hits including some predetermined Red Bull Finish Booter could make it safer by dialing back how crazy they could get with their builds.
cutting the build time will probably help tame it down. but how about venue reuse. Just from practicallity/historically we will see the same venue next year with a lot of features already in place with just a bit of tidying up needed.
Maybe going forward we would then see a bit of a multiyear cycle where each year more stuff is added. Year 1 is more raw/freeride, by year 3 it becomes more slopestyle, then move venues and start again.
Update from Natasha Bradley too...she didn't get away unscathed but all told, we're happy she's feeling OK enough to post about it and already looking forward to recovery. Heal up!
I agree with most of what you're putting down, but I think the argument against not live is how do they manage a social media embargo...
I agree with most of what you're putting down, but I think the argument against not live is how do they manage a social media embargo to keep people from seeing the show or big parts of runs before they broadcast it. Workarounds for that exist or could be thought up, but doing it live guarantees they're all redbull views. It's not like NBC or someone else is purchasing the rights anymore and redbull doesn't put it behind a paywall so if people want to spoil the competition by watching before the broadcast that's kind of on them at that point.
The show should be cut within an hour or 2 of the event. They can still afford a smaller production truck if that's important to them.Every...
The show should be cut within an hour or 2 of the event. They can still afford a smaller production truck if that's important to them.
Every year they do the livestream they cut out all the nonsense anyway. The youtube livestream went from ~6 hours to under 2, once cut.
If there is any concern about spoiling the results for 2-3 hours, that's just on people for having zero patience. They can spoil their experience if they so choose. I'll just put the phone down until the live premier is up.
And even with an efficiently cut live premier show post-event, I will STILL wait for the entire thing to finish so I can watch, only time stamping the runs and skipping all of Sal's podcasting
What problem does doing a cut after the event solve (other than alleviate the ADHD of gen Alpha viewers who are already wondering why the whole...
What problem does doing a cut after the event solve (other than alleviate the ADHD of gen Alpha viewers who are already wondering why the whole event isn't just a 1-minute reel anyway)? The riders still have to wake up in the morning and warm up in some kind of daylight. With the event brought forward just one hour, they were literally waiting for the sun to appear to be able to get going. It's not like everybody was standing around waiting for the broadcast intro to be over, they were practicing and warming up during this time. You also need to fly in the helicopters, mobilize the event crew, get spectators onto the site...things that are not easily accomplished when it's dark, for example. As for the pre-show being a bit long, I mean, these guys have been digging for two weeks and are about to risk their lives for our enjoyment...we can't give them an hour of our time for the stage to be set and some sponsor plugs to appear on screen? The sponsors who make the event possible...
I for one think the live factor is VERY important for an event like this. As soon as something is not really live, or shown as a condensed cut, the audience numbers drop drastically. It just doesn't have the same appeal when it's recut, and it often ends up feeling staged.
The real solution has to be having a window during which the event can run, as already mentioned do it like the world surf league does it. You run the event when the waves show up (or in this case, when the wind shows itself out). This is of course a much heavier production, meaning you have to pay your whole production crew to be on standby for potentially a few days, which is maybe why we haven't seen it happen. Also, I wonder if there are better times during the year to run the event, but I'm no expert on Utah weather and I'm sure the riders know when it's a good time to be out there doing this stuff.
Rampage-adjacent but... Green River Classic from In the Hills Gang is going off this weekend. I'll be curious to see if some of the Rampage folks stuck around and show up out there with not really getting their fix at Rampage. Also... it looks like there will be another edition of CoreCross happening out there this weekend.
They're going to want to cut costs if they do a waiting period. One of the biggest things is running a leaner production and not having a full broadcast truck.
I mean there's already rumors RB is out after this, regardless of any validity behind it. I think they one thing they aren't trying to do is spend more and more. Just my crystal ball there.
Also when I say don't do a live show. I literally mean cut a show to premier immediately after the event. And some other things I can't mention. But basically cut out all the fluff. It's entirely possible every rider could have gotten their first run in if you simply stop with all the interludes, as well as all pre-show. Even with Storch's unfortunate helivac.
I'm not quite hitting on the functional difference between live show and event recap premiering an hour or two after the event.
Peak of Rampage for me was Kelly McGarrys backflip over the canyon .
Since then only Silvas attempted double backflip is the only thing that's really stood out as a move that's separated itself from the rest and that had pretty tragic consequences.
Hardline Wales needed to be changed and the organisers have done that .
Rampage needs to be drastically changed or scrapped altogether
Rampage may just have to die. It had a sick run, and it's upside is obviously incredibly rad, but the downsides are insane. Judging by the features the boys built and the mad sends we saw in the limited runs, had it proceeded, there's a really good chance that we would have seen another year marred by life-changing injuries.
Again, it's had a good run, and it's really cool to see the progression over the years, but if this is Redbull Rampage's Group B Rally Car moment, it might be for the best.
Nothing lasts forever, and they've miraculously made it this far without broadcasting a young man's death to millions of viewers. If they keep going, though, someone is falling off a giant cliff. It might be time to just take the dub and put the whole thing to rest.
"If they keep going, though, someone is falling off a giant cliff."
That last part is all I could think about when I first saw Lamoine's gap. He made the gap and still had a slam. Someone's going to land something a little far back, not be able to grab brakes, and just toss it all off a cliff...or overshoot something and not be able to get settled in time and only stop 90 feet below on the desert floor.
Rampage is SO sick but it might be worth re-evaluating for a couple years and re-approach it with an effort toward life preservation. At World Cup races, it seems like the limited practice time prevents the racers from really dialing up the intensity that could come with a little more practice at nailing their lines. I wonder if fewer build days, a limit of build time per feature, and/or a maximum number of hits including some predetermined Red Bull Finish Booter could make it safer by dialing back how crazy they could get with their builds.
cutting the build time will probably help tame it down. but how about venue reuse. Just from practicallity/historically we will see the same venue next year with a lot of features already in place with just a bit of tidying up needed.
Maybe going forward we would then see a bit of a multiyear cycle where each year more stuff is added. Year 1 is more raw/freeride, by year 3 it becomes more slopestyle, then move venues and start again.
In my opinion they just need to remove the sandbags and the event would be perfect mix of natural and few builds they can make in that time.
Here's the full update from Carson...we were so relieved to hear he was all OK after such a gnarly moment!
Update from Natasha Bradley too...she didn't get away unscathed but all told, we're happy she's feeling OK enough to post about it and already looking forward to recovery. Heal up!
What's the injury toll this year? Something like 15% got sent to the hospital, and they didn't even make it through the first men's runs.
It's got nothing to do with ADHD. Check yourself
Rampage-adjacent but... Green River Classic from In the Hills Gang is going off this weekend. I'll be curious to see if some of the Rampage folks stuck around and show up out there with not really getting their fix at Rampage. Also... it looks like there will be another edition of CoreCross happening out there this weekend.
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