the CC homies at sea otter told me this spanked my BL Flash 35. they said among the inverted forks they tried, intend was the pinnacle and main fork they kept for comparison. (I confirmed they used a Flash, not the cross country Edge fork) although I walked over to their 'demo' fork- which was a handlebar/stem mounted to a vertical fork on the floor (so you can push on it) and the first thing i did was the same thing i did with my Flash when i got it; push down only on one grip.... yep, fork hardly moved. and that's all i needed to know!
but i would still take this over a fox and push. just cause cane creek and everyone there are top tier folks
just did my first service on my Flash 35 BL this week. had it since last September. I've noticed it gets pretty grimey where the seal flanges are, but I always wipe it off. my guess is because the film strength of supergliss being crazy high- it allows oil (stuck to stanchions) passed the seals over time/heat when riding- then they attracts dirt. probably could've left it and just changed oil but still wanted to pop new seals in.
I had a little back and forth on what seals to use, OE racing bros vs SKF DC. The Flash 38 uses SKF DC, but other Intend forks use RacingBros. found some data on seal life and the Lycan Racing Bros showed less friction and better sealing- but shorter lifespan. and my prior experience with SKF DC's on my Fox 38 was terrible- haha... RacingBro's it is!
moving on- i dropped the legs to find dark, well-used oil in both sided. much less on air spring side though, maybe 3-5ml total after draining. definitely caught it in time! damper side checked out dark- maybe 10ml. still smelled just fine. no original color left, but not black either.
these forks take 15ml
took apart air spring as everyone should do when servicing any fork. and to fulfil my speculation, guess what! the air spring had slowly been ingesting the motorex from lower leg. there was much more than the 3-5ml i put in there haha! i made a mess 😅
to be clear this is not a problem. just a natural effect in suspension. not like a fox air spring drowning in slick honey would be. LOL! fork is USD so lower leg oil will collect right on the airshaft sealhead and naturally work it's way in. similar to fox's PTFE damper/lower fluid. (except that cycles through damper/lower legs)
cleaned everything up and assembled leaving out the foam wipers per usual (feels sooo weird to do that) I tightened the 'foot' studs with the lower legs about 1/4 to 1/2 through travel to keep a little negative charge in the lowers. this (without a doubt) helps top out clunk and wiper sealing at altitude since there's no bleeders- and I don't like introducing dirt with the seal/ziptie trick. also bumped travel from 170 to 175, but took off shock pump at my same/preferred 165 travel (i has da travelizer 😃) I've noticed this fork quite sensitive to top out at altitude. this little trick solves that without a doubt. fork returns to full travel soft as a pillow, while yielding the exact travel I want.
if you don't have travelizer and are getting top out clunk- you can always unscrew the footstuds and push fork into it's travel a little bit, push on them to hear air escape, then tighten em back up. easy to to with 10mm socket on usd forks. doesn't need much, just enough without losing travel
i guess I ride a lot at altitude with heat (big bear, skypark) so this is needed for me. also remember that extra charge at altitude will be trying to burp the wiper seals deep in the travel. only speaking from experience. no, it doesn't dump oil out, just 'sweats' more if that makes sense
FWIW, the way wiper seals work is they seal better with increased pressure in the lowers. The lip is pushed into the stanchion from the pressure behind the seal.
I am not expecting the CC to be better than Intend, I just hope it's closer to Intend's performance than to 38mm RSD alternatives, with more practical & affordable ownership. Btw the oil in my Essential still had the original color when I "dropped the lowers" after a year of riding and I am not seeing much of a gunk on the legs either. I am guessing the Racing Bros seals do a better job than SKF.
here comes a bomb of a reply... LOLjust did my first service on my Flash 35 BL this week. had it since last September. I've noticed...
here comes a bomb of a reply... LOL
just did my first service on my Flash 35 BL this week. had it since last September. I've noticed it gets pretty grimey where the seal flanges are, but I always wipe it off. my guess is because the film strength of supergliss being crazy high- it allows oil (stuck to stanchions) passed the seals over time/heat when riding- then they attracts dirt. probably could've left it and just changed oil but still wanted to pop new seals in.
I had a little back and forth on what seals to use, OE racing bros vs SKF DC. The Flash 38 uses SKF DC, but other Intend forks use RacingBros. found some data on seal life and the Lycan Racing Bros showed less friction and better sealing- but shorter lifespan. and my prior experience with SKF DC's on my Fox 38 was terrible- haha... RacingBro's it is!
moving on- i dropped the legs to find dark, well-used oil in both sided. much less on air spring side though, maybe 3-5ml total after draining. definitely caught it in time! damper side checked out dark- maybe 10ml. still smelled just fine. no original color left, but not black either.
these forks take 15ml
took apart air spring as everyone should do when servicing any fork. and to fulfil my speculation, guess what! the air spring had slowly been ingesting the motorex from lower leg. there was much more than the 3-5ml i put in there haha! i made a mess 😅
to be clear this is not a problem. just a natural effect in suspension. not like a fox air spring drowning in slick honey would be. LOL! fork is USD so lower leg oil will collect right on the airshaft sealhead and naturally work it's way in. similar to fox's PTFE damper/lower fluid. (except that cycles through damper/lower legs)
cleaned everything up and assembled leaving out the foam wipers per usual (feels sooo weird to do that) I tightened the 'foot' studs with the lower legs about 1/4 to 1/2 through travel to keep a little negative charge in the lowers. this (without a doubt) helps top out clunk and wiper sealing at altitude since there's no bleeders- and I don't like introducing dirt with the seal/ziptie trick. also bumped travel from 170 to 175, but took off shock pump at my same/preferred 165 travel (i has da travelizer 😃) I've noticed this fork quite sensitive to top out at altitude. this little trick solves that without a doubt. fork returns to full travel soft as a pillow, while yielding the exact travel I want.
if you don't have travelizer and are getting top out clunk- you can always unscrew the footstuds and push fork into it's travel a little bit, push on them to hear air escape, then tighten em back up. easy to to with 10mm socket on usd forks. doesn't need much, just enough without losing travel
i guess I ride a lot at altitude with heat (big bear, skypark) so this is needed for me. also remember that extra charge at altitude will be trying to burp the wiper seals deep in the travel. only speaking from experience. no, it doesn't dump oil out, just 'sweats' more if that makes sense
absolutely nothing bad to say about this fork.
cheeeeers
Racing bros makes terrible seals....I almost always find actual dirt inside forks that have had RB seals fitted, and are more likely to cause damage and wear than factory seals so if you have the option I would always go SKF, no question! They are low friction for sure but it seems thats onyl because they do very little actual sealing....
Also, once again Fox does not put excessive grease in their air springs and are probably under-greasing them this year! They do however draw bath oil in to the negative spring, and its larger than the amount of grease I have seen which is doubly bad because your bushings are running dry and your negative spring has reduced volume. So yeah I would be conscious of those things in intend forks as well...
here comes a bomb of a reply... LOLjust did my first service on my Flash 35 BL this week. had it since last September. I've noticed...
here comes a bomb of a reply... LOL
just did my first service on my Flash 35 BL this week. had it since last September. I've noticed it gets pretty grimey where the seal flanges are, but I always wipe it off. my guess is because the film strength of supergliss being crazy high- it allows oil (stuck to stanchions) passed the seals over time/heat when riding- then they attracts dirt. probably could've left it and just changed oil but still wanted to pop new seals in.
I had a little back and forth on what seals to use, OE racing bros vs SKF DC. The Flash 38 uses SKF DC, but other Intend forks use RacingBros. found some data on seal life and the Lycan Racing Bros showed less friction and better sealing- but shorter lifespan. and my prior experience with SKF DC's on my Fox 38 was terrible- haha... RacingBro's it is!
moving on- i dropped the legs to find dark, well-used oil in both sided. much less on air spring side though, maybe 3-5ml total after draining. definitely caught it in time! damper side checked out dark- maybe 10ml. still smelled just fine. no original color left, but not black either.
these forks take 15ml
took apart air spring as everyone should do when servicing any fork. and to fulfil my speculation, guess what! the air spring had slowly been ingesting the motorex from lower leg. there was much more than the 3-5ml i put in there haha! i made a mess 😅
to be clear this is not a problem. just a natural effect in suspension. not like a fox air spring drowning in slick honey would be. LOL! fork is USD so lower leg oil will collect right on the airshaft sealhead and naturally work it's way in. similar to fox's PTFE damper/lower fluid. (except that cycles through damper/lower legs)
cleaned everything up and assembled leaving out the foam wipers per usual (feels sooo weird to do that) I tightened the 'foot' studs with the lower legs about 1/4 to 1/2 through travel to keep a little negative charge in the lowers. this (without a doubt) helps top out clunk and wiper sealing at altitude since there's no bleeders- and I don't like introducing dirt with the seal/ziptie trick. also bumped travel from 170 to 175, but took off shock pump at my same/preferred 165 travel (i has da travelizer 😃) I've noticed this fork quite sensitive to top out at altitude. this little trick solves that without a doubt. fork returns to full travel soft as a pillow, while yielding the exact travel I want.
if you don't have travelizer and are getting top out clunk- you can always unscrew the footstuds and push fork into it's travel a little bit, push on them to hear air escape, then tighten em back up. easy to to with 10mm socket on usd forks. doesn't need much, just enough without losing travel
i guess I ride a lot at altitude with heat (big bear, skypark) so this is needed for me. also remember that extra charge at altitude will be trying to burp the wiper seals deep in the travel. only speaking from experience. no, it doesn't dump oil out, just 'sweats' more if that makes sense
Racing bros makes terrible seals....I almost always find actual dirt inside forks that have had RB seals fitted, and are more likely to cause damage and...
Racing bros makes terrible seals....I almost always find actual dirt inside forks that have had RB seals fitted, and are more likely to cause damage and wear than factory seals so if you have the option I would always go SKF, no question! They are low friction for sure but it seems thats onyl because they do very little actual sealing....
Also, once again Fox does not put excessive grease in their air springs and are probably under-greasing them this year! They do however draw bath oil in to the negative spring, and its larger than the amount of grease I have seen which is doubly bad because your bushings are running dry and your negative spring has reduced volume. So yeah I would be conscious of those things in intend forks as well...
ouch. well i guess I'll try something else next time then.?. maybe standard skf over the dual compound is the winner?
yeah those poor things are always stuffed with syrup when i take them apart. definitely a reduction lately. but remember that 23 and earlier era? soup city 🤣
one time i had a guy come in (expert level rider) wanting to buy a fork because his was squeaking & rattling (factory 38, maybe 7mo old). and yes his fork was actually rattling with play in the lowers. it had absolutely no oil in the air side lowers. thankfully no damage. shot 20ml in there and it never happened again. ha! that was the first and only time I've seen that. air spring was dry too
the CC homies at sea otter told me this spanked my BL Flash 35. they said among the inverted forks they tried, intend was the pinnacle...
the CC homies at sea otter told me this spanked my BL Flash 35. they said among the inverted forks they tried, intend was the pinnacle and main fork they kept for comparison. (I confirmed they used a Flash, not the cross country Edge fork) although I walked over to their 'demo' fork- which was a handlebar/stem mounted to a vertical fork on the floor (so you can push on it) and the first thing i did was the same thing i did with my Flash when i got it; push down only on one grip.... yep, fork hardly moved. and that's all i needed to know!
but i would still take this over a fox and push. just cause cane creek and everyone there are top tier folks
the CC homies at sea otter told me this spanked my BL Flash 35. they said among the inverted forks they tried, intend was the pinnacle...
the CC homies at sea otter told me this spanked my BL Flash 35. they said among the inverted forks they tried, intend was the pinnacle and main fork they kept for comparison. (I confirmed they used a Flash, not the cross country Edge fork) although I walked over to their 'demo' fork- which was a handlebar/stem mounted to a vertical fork on the floor (so you can push on it) and the first thing i did was the same thing i did with my Flash when i got it; push down only on one grip.... yep, fork hardly moved. and that's all i needed to know!
but i would still take this over a fox and push. just cause cane creek and everyone there are top tier folks
Racing bros makes terrible seals....I almost always find actual dirt inside forks that have had RB seals fitted, and are more likely to cause damage and...
Racing bros makes terrible seals....I almost always find actual dirt inside forks that have had RB seals fitted, and are more likely to cause damage and wear than factory seals so if you have the option I would always go SKF, no question! They are low friction for sure but it seems thats onyl because they do very little actual sealing....
Also, once again Fox does not put excessive grease in their air springs and are probably under-greasing them this year! They do however draw bath oil in to the negative spring, and its larger than the amount of grease I have seen which is doubly bad because your bushings are running dry and your negative spring has reduced volume. So yeah I would be conscious of those things in intend forks as well...
While racing bros did produce some very questionable "race" seals before, lycan seals are very good and preferred by many suspension service/tuning shops in Europe. Cane creek used to use them in first gen. Helm forks as well, I used them for 3 years, no excess oil was coming out, nor any dirt ever made it's way in. The new skf DC seals however, well they leave a lot of mess behind from new, went back to racing bros and all is good again.
Racing bros makes terrible seals....I almost always find actual dirt inside forks that have had RB seals fitted, and are more likely to cause damage and...
Racing bros makes terrible seals....I almost always find actual dirt inside forks that have had RB seals fitted, and are more likely to cause damage and wear than factory seals so if you have the option I would always go SKF, no question! They are low friction for sure but it seems thats onyl because they do very little actual sealing....
Also, once again Fox does not put excessive grease in their air springs and are probably under-greasing them this year! They do however draw bath oil in to the negative spring, and its larger than the amount of grease I have seen which is doubly bad because your bushings are running dry and your negative spring has reduced volume. So yeah I would be conscious of those things in intend forks as well...
While racing bros did produce some very questionable "race" seals before, lycan seals are very good and preferred by many suspension service/tuning shops in Europe. Cane...
While racing bros did produce some very questionable "race" seals before, lycan seals are very good and preferred by many suspension service/tuning shops in Europe. Cane creek used to use them in first gen. Helm forks as well, I used them for 3 years, no excess oil was coming out, nor any dirt ever made it's way in. The new skf DC seals however, well they leave a lot of mess behind from new, went back to racing bros and all is good again.
Oh yeah I forgot about the SKF DC seals - haven't used them but not heard good things so maybe RB is ok compared to those but its a low bar. Cane creek changed to the regular SKF seals for good reason
Oh yeah I forgot about the SKF DC seals - haven't used them but not heard good things so maybe RB is ok compared to those...
Oh yeah I forgot about the SKF DC seals - haven't used them but not heard good things so maybe RB is ok compared to those but its a low bar. Cane creek changed to the regular SKF seals for good reason
I can compare them to stock RS seals made by skf, I don't see particular difference between those two in terms of reliability, however the lip seal design on skfs makes dust harder to wipe off compared to RB ones. RB ones feel more slippery, few tuners measured them to be that way too. Maybe in NZ there is problematic dust or something, but I have nothing wrong to say about either set of modi/lycan seals I have used over the years, the fact that rsp lubes bought them is likely saying something too.
Racing bros makes terrible seals....I almost always find actual dirt inside forks that have had RB seals fitted, and are more likely to cause damage and...
Racing bros makes terrible seals....I almost always find actual dirt inside forks that have had RB seals fitted, and are more likely to cause damage and wear than factory seals so if you have the option I would always go SKF, no question! They are low friction for sure but it seems thats onyl because they do very little actual sealing....
Also, once again Fox does not put excessive grease in their air springs and are probably under-greasing them this year! They do however draw bath oil in to the negative spring, and its larger than the amount of grease I have seen which is doubly bad because your bushings are running dry and your negative spring has reduced volume. So yeah I would be conscious of those things in intend forks as well...
While racing bros did produce some very questionable "race" seals before, lycan seals are very good and preferred by many suspension service/tuning shops in Europe. Cane...
While racing bros did produce some very questionable "race" seals before, lycan seals are very good and preferred by many suspension service/tuning shops in Europe. Cane creek used to use them in first gen. Helm forks as well, I used them for 3 years, no excess oil was coming out, nor any dirt ever made it's way in. The new skf DC seals however, well they leave a lot of mess behind from new, went back to racing bros and all is good again.
Oh yeah I forgot about the SKF DC seals - haven't used them but not heard good things so maybe RB is ok compared to those...
Oh yeah I forgot about the SKF DC seals - haven't used them but not heard good things so maybe RB is ok compared to those but its a low bar. Cane creek changed to the regular SKF seals for good reason
I ran SKF DC seals on my last gen Zeb after the local suspension guy raved about them. I was less impressed. Yeah they feel really slippery new, but they seemed to build up oily crud on the top more than the black SKF / Rockshox seals, and the lower oil seemed to get blacker faster. Also noticed that the grease around the orange part of the seal changed color and thickened up in the instances where I was dropping lowers more often than service interval (changing fork travel), which led me to think that the orange part is a little too soft.
Oh yeah I forgot about the SKF DC seals - haven't used them but not heard good things so maybe RB is ok compared to those...
Oh yeah I forgot about the SKF DC seals - haven't used them but not heard good things so maybe RB is ok compared to those but its a low bar. Cane creek changed to the regular SKF seals for good reason
I can compare them to stock RS seals made by skf, I don't see particular difference between those two in terms of reliability, however the lip...
I can compare them to stock RS seals made by skf, I don't see particular difference between those two in terms of reliability, however the lip seal design on skfs makes dust harder to wipe off compared to RB ones. RB ones feel more slippery, few tuners measured them to be that way too. Maybe in NZ there is problematic dust or something, but I have nothing wrong to say about either set of modi/lycan seals I have used over the years, the fact that rsp lubes bought them is likely saying something too.
In the same dust/dirt of the suspension lab I had 0 issues for 3 years in a row, servicing the fork every 200/250 hours ( Fox 36 with dual compound skf and oil was always perfectly clean
Fuck it looks nice! Beefy af but nice!
Hurry up! You won’t be disappointed.
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Basically free, nice
The admission fee to the USD hipsters club is fancy across the board, unfortunately.
the CC homies at sea otter told me this spanked my BL Flash 35. they said among the inverted forks they tried, intend was the pinnacle and main fork they kept for comparison. (I confirmed they used a Flash, not the cross country Edge fork) although I walked over to their 'demo' fork- which was a handlebar/stem mounted to a vertical fork on the floor (so you can push on it) and the first thing i did was the same thing i did with my Flash when i got it; push down only on one grip.... yep, fork hardly moved. and that's all i needed to know!
but i would still take this over a fox and push. just cause cane creek and everyone there are top tier folks
here comes a bomb of a reply... LOL
just did my first service on my Flash 35 BL this week. had it since last September. I've noticed it gets pretty grimey where the seal flanges are, but I always wipe it off. my guess is because the film strength of supergliss being crazy high- it allows oil (stuck to stanchions) passed the seals over time/heat when riding- then they attracts dirt. probably could've left it and just changed oil but still wanted to pop new seals in.
I had a little back and forth on what seals to use, OE racing bros vs SKF DC. The Flash 38 uses SKF DC, but other Intend forks use RacingBros. found some data on seal life and the Lycan Racing Bros showed less friction and better sealing- but shorter lifespan. and my prior experience with SKF DC's on my Fox 38 was terrible- haha... RacingBro's it is!
moving on- i dropped the legs to find dark, well-used oil in both sided. much less on air spring side though, maybe 3-5ml total after draining. definitely caught it in time! damper side checked out dark- maybe 10ml. still smelled just fine. no original color left, but not black either.
these forks take 15ml
took apart air spring as everyone should do when servicing any fork. and to fulfil my speculation, guess what! the air spring had slowly been ingesting the motorex from lower leg. there was much more than the 3-5ml i put in there haha! i made a mess 😅
to be clear this is not a problem. just a natural effect in suspension. not like a fox air spring drowning in slick honey would be. LOL! fork is USD so lower leg oil will collect right on the airshaft sealhead and naturally work it's way in. similar to fox's PTFE damper/lower fluid. (except that cycles through damper/lower legs)
cleaned everything up and assembled leaving out the foam wipers per usual (feels sooo weird to do that) I tightened the 'foot' studs with the lower legs about 1/4 to 1/2 through travel to keep a little negative charge in the lowers. this (without a doubt) helps top out clunk and wiper sealing at altitude since there's no bleeders- and I don't like introducing dirt with the seal/ziptie trick. also bumped travel from 170 to 175, but took off shock pump at my same/preferred 165 travel (i has da travelizer 😃) I've noticed this fork quite sensitive to top out at altitude. this little trick solves that without a doubt. fork returns to full travel soft as a pillow, while yielding the exact travel I want.
if you don't have travelizer and are getting top out clunk- you can always unscrew the footstuds and push fork into it's travel a little bit, push on them to hear air escape, then tighten em back up. easy to to with 10mm socket on usd forks. doesn't need much, just enough without losing travel
i guess I ride a lot at altitude with heat (big bear, skypark) so this is needed for me. also remember that extra charge at altitude will be trying to burp the wiper seals deep in the travel. only speaking from experience. no, it doesn't dump oil out, just 'sweats' more if that makes sense
absolutely nothing bad to say about this fork.
cheeeeers
FWIW, the way wiper seals work is they seal better with increased pressure in the lowers. The lip is pushed into the stanchion from the pressure behind the seal.
I am not expecting the CC to be better than Intend, I just hope it's closer to Intend's performance than to 38mm RSD alternatives, with more practical & affordable ownership. Btw the oil in my Essential still had the original color when I "dropped the lowers" after a year of riding and I am not seeing much of a gunk on the legs either. I am guessing the Racing Bros seals do a better job than SKF.
Racing bros makes terrible seals....I almost always find actual dirt inside forks that have had RB seals fitted, and are more likely to cause damage and wear than factory seals so if you have the option I would always go SKF, no question! They are low friction for sure but it seems thats onyl because they do very little actual sealing....
Also, once again Fox does not put excessive grease in their air springs and are probably under-greasing them this year! They do however draw bath oil in to the negative spring, and its larger than the amount of grease I have seen which is doubly bad because your bushings are running dry and your negative spring has reduced volume. So yeah I would be conscious of those things in intend forks as well...
ouch. well i guess I'll try something else next time then.?. maybe standard skf over the dual compound is the winner?
yeah those poor things are always stuffed with syrup when i take them apart. definitely a reduction lately. but remember that 23 and earlier era? soup city 🤣
one time i had a guy come in (expert level rider) wanting to buy a fork because his was squeaking & rattling (factory 38, maybe 7mo old). and yes his fork was actually rattling with play in the lowers. it had absolutely no oil in the air side lowers. thankfully no damage. shot 20ml in there and it never happened again. ha! that was the first and only time I've seen that. air spring was dry too
The Edge ain’t a cross country fork
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Whats wrong with the SKF DC seals? I just got some and have been liking them.
While racing bros did produce some very questionable "race" seals before, lycan seals are very good and preferred by many suspension service/tuning shops in Europe. Cane creek used to use them in first gen. Helm forks as well, I used them for 3 years, no excess oil was coming out, nor any dirt ever made it's way in. The new skf DC seals however, well they leave a lot of mess behind from new, went back to racing bros and all is good again.
Oh yeah I forgot about the SKF DC seals - haven't used them but not heard good things so maybe RB is ok compared to those but its a low bar. Cane creek changed to the regular SKF seals for good reason
I can compare them to stock RS seals made by skf, I don't see particular difference between those two in terms of reliability, however the lip seal design on skfs makes dust harder to wipe off compared to RB ones. RB ones feel more slippery, few tuners measured them to be that way too. Maybe in NZ there is problematic dust or something, but I have nothing wrong to say about either set of modi/lycan seals I have used over the years, the fact that rsp lubes bought them is likely saying something too.
I ran SKF DC seals on my last gen Zeb after the local suspension guy raved about them. I was less impressed. Yeah they feel really slippery new, but they seemed to build up oily crud on the top more than the black SKF / Rockshox seals, and the lower oil seemed to get blacker faster. Also noticed that the grease around the orange part of the seal changed color and thickened up in the instances where I was dropping lowers more often than service interval (changing fork travel), which led me to think that the orange part is a little too soft.
In the same dust/dirt of the suspension lab I had 0 issues for 3 years in a row, servicing the fork every 200/250 hours ( Fox 36 with dual compound skf and oil was always perfectly clean
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