2023 Racing Talk

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Edited Date/Time 12/22/2023 7:44am

suggested thread to separate from Team Rumours.

First up

Redbull Hardline slated for July 15/16 in Wales. Will be interesting to see you enters being that its not at the end of the season now but 2 weeks before World Champs.

 

 

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grambo 2/26/2023 12:27am
2/26/2023 12:27am

Jackson just on an absolute tear. Wow.

luckymixes 2/26/2023 2:30pm
2/26/2023 2:30pm
grambo wrote:

Jackson just on an absolute tear. Wow.

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Jordan Williams not doing too bad among the elites, also. Results from today's Portugal DH Cup. Sick.

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bulletbass man 2/26/2023 5:11pm
2/26/2023 5:11pm
grambo wrote:

Jackson just on an absolute tear. Wow.

The start of the next gen.  Kids who grew up in mtb havens on good bikes.  Think there is going to be a lot of shake up to the World Cup in the next 5 years.

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ristoruppe 3/18/2023 10:35pm
3/18/2023 10:35pm

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 What was the light Bruni was running in his crankworx run?

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dolface 3/19/2023 10:55am
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ristoruppe wrote:
 What was the light Bruni was running in his crankworx run?

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 What was the light Bruni was running in his crankworx run?

Consensus seems to be it's an electronic control to increase damping for his shock...

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Mr.Nally 3/22/2023 2:19am
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First World Cup of the "new" UCI World Series is this weekend. Are people hyped for it or actually are we already seeing Enduro taking a back seat and most fans just waiting for their respective fav discipline (DH or XC) to start off the World Cup season?

bulletbass man 3/22/2023 4:56am
3/22/2023 4:56am
Mr.Nally wrote:
First World Cup of the "new" UCI World Series is this weekend. Are people hyped for it or actually are we already seeing Enduro taking a...

First World Cup of the "new" UCI World Series is this weekend. Are people hyped for it or actually are we already seeing Enduro taking a back seat and most fans just waiting for their respective fav discipline (DH or XC) to start off the World Cup season?

Hard to feel like it’s not taking a back seat when the only advertising from eso I’ve seen is a YouTube video on “who to watch”.  Looks like it’s going to be another year of riders and teams having to market themselves.

 

katy winton’s podcast has me pretty stoked for the season.  Though Chris hall alluded to downtime podcast ending if he can’t get enough patreon supporters since bike companies are reeling back their budgets.

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jwillp 3/22/2023 5:45am
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47 entries so far (with 13 hours remaining to register) for the Tennessee National in UCI Elite Men.   All the big American names are there including Norton, Mulally, Shaw, Grice, Vermette, Dooley, Silva and Lemire (Canada), plus a bunch more.   Neko looked great last weekend in NZ, Grice won the first DHSE, Dak is sure to be fast but is his program ramped up yet?   Lemire on the Transition for the first time, Vermette crushed it at US Open, Shaw should be back strong....   Who's your picks?  

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sspomer 3/22/2023 7:46am
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TN nats should be rad. Is Gwin not entered? We'll have vids/pics from there as well as raws from tasmania enduro. our filmer in taz said it should be pretty good!

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jwillp 3/22/2023 7:57am
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sspomer wrote:
TN nats should be rad. Is Gwin not entered? We'll have vids/pics from there as well as raws from tasmania enduro. our filmer in taz said...

TN nats should be rad. Is Gwin not entered? We'll have vids/pics from there as well as raws from tasmania enduro. our filmer in taz said it should be pretty good!

Yes, Gwin just entered today...

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trackside content: instagram lol

 

Lets hope the YouTube presenters are not the donkeys from gmbn, otherwise the coverage for me will mainly be moimoi tv and jesses pov videos

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sspomer 3/22/2023 1:17pm
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world cup enduro (EDR) rulebook out today.

The big news is points are now awarded for every stage. If you win a stage it’s 20 points, 2nd gets 17, etc. Then there are points for overall finish, 400 points for race win, 350 for 2nd, etc. So it gives a rider a little bonus to play with. Say you dominate the race but flat in the last stage, you have a few points in the bag from the stages you dominated, takes the sting out of that last stage mechanical or whatevs.
 
Also, they’ve backed down from the idea that the last stage start order would be determined by accumulated stage points. It’s back to the overall standing according to accumulated times (which makes more sense anyway, as they only award stage points to top ten stage finishers… facepalm…).
 
 
haven't dug through it all, so post any findings you see
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sspomer 3/22/2023 1:27pm
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speaking of moimoi tv - maydena shakedown vid

 

 

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sspomer wrote:
world cup enduro (EDR) rulebook out today. The big news is points are now awarded for every stage. If you win a stage it’s 20 points...

world cup enduro (EDR) rulebook out today.

The big news is points are now awarded for every stage. If you win a stage it’s 20 points, 2nd gets 17, etc. Then there are points for overall finish, 400 points for race win, 350 for 2nd, etc. So it gives a rider a little bonus to play with. Say you dominate the race but flat in the last stage, you have a few points in the bag from the stages you dominated, takes the sting out of that last stage mechanical or whatevs.
 
Also, they’ve backed down from the idea that the last stage start order would be determined by accumulated stage points. It’s back to the overall standing according to accumulated times (which makes more sense anyway, as they only award stage points to top ten stage finishers… facepalm…).
 
 
haven't dug through it all, so post any findings you see

Can you imagine telling your mother you just bagged €75 for finishing tenth in the world 🤔😂

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brash 3/22/2023 2:13pm
3/22/2023 2:13pm Edited Date/Time 3/22/2023 2:14pm

If an Aussie or Kiwi won a round in Europe, the money wouldn't cover the flight home lol

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MiSo11 3/22/2023 2:59pm
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brash wrote:

If an Aussie or Kiwi won a round in Europe, the money wouldn't cover the flight home lol

If you won every round (and therefore the overall) you'd gross €20,500 in prize money. I guess that would cover most travel(?). You don't ride bikes to get rich Huh

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Points for stages is long overdue but... well they're not worth very much are they

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Guncar 3/23/2023 4:09am
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This scoring for each episode makes a bit of sense to me anyway. The prizes seem to be cool but, but slightly odd, it's 75E for 10th place.... But those from 11th place have no prize.
Collecting qualification points nowadays is also slightly pointless.... 

I would also have a question, does anyone know where there are/will be any photos of the competition? Pitbits, shakedown, media reece?

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Atkisa 3/23/2023 5:34am
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brash wrote:

If an Aussie or Kiwi won a round in Europe, the money wouldn't cover the flight home lol

MiSo11 wrote:
If you won every round (and therefore the overall) you'd gross €20,500 in prize money. I guess that would cover most travel(?). You don't ride bikes...

If you won every round (and therefore the overall) you'd gross €20,500 in prize money. I guess that would cover most travel(?). You don't ride bikes to get rich Huh

That's right, you ride bikes to get other people rich. The way we all know it should be....

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hogfly 3/23/2023 5:45am
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jwillp wrote:
47 entries so far (with 13 hours remaining to register) for the Tennessee National in UCI Elite Men.   All the big American names are there including...

47 entries so far (with 13 hours remaining to register) for the Tennessee National in UCI Elite Men.   All the big American names are there including Norton, Mulally, Shaw, Grice, Vermette, Dooley, Silva and Lemire (Canada), plus a bunch more.   Neko looked great last weekend in NZ, Grice won the first DHSE, Dak is sure to be fast but is his program ramped up yet?   Lemire on the Transition for the first time, Vermette crushed it at US Open, Shaw should be back strong....   Who's your picks?  

Windrock is unreal. We were there for the Enduro. On Thursday, I saw Gwin, Pinkerton, Luca Shaw, Dak, Frida, and Grice in the shuttle line. That area is really becoming the epicenter of the DH scene.. and for good reason.

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bulletbass man 3/23/2023 6:18am
3/23/2023 6:18am
brash wrote:

If an Aussie or Kiwi won a round in Europe, the money wouldn't cover the flight home lol

MiSo11 wrote:
If you won every round (and therefore the overall) you'd gross €20,500 in prize money. I guess that would cover most travel(?). You don't ride bikes...

If you won every round (and therefore the overall) you'd gross €20,500 in prize money. I guess that would cover most travel(?). You don't ride bikes to get rich Huh

Atkisa wrote:

That's right, you ride bikes to get other people rich. The way we all know it should be....

Which bike brand is getting rich off bike racing?

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MiSo11 wrote:
If you won every round (and therefore the overall) you'd gross €20,500 in prize money. I guess that would cover most travel(?). You don't ride bikes...

If you won every round (and therefore the overall) you'd gross €20,500 in prize money. I guess that would cover most travel(?). You don't ride bikes to get rich Huh

Atkisa wrote:

That's right, you ride bikes to get other people rich. The way we all know it should be....

bulletbass man wrote:

Which bike brand is getting rich off bike racing?

Oakley

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BGoldstone 3/23/2023 8:08am
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jwillp wrote:
47 entries so far (with 13 hours remaining to register) for the Tennessee National in UCI Elite Men.   All the big American names are there including...

47 entries so far (with 13 hours remaining to register) for the Tennessee National in UCI Elite Men.   All the big American names are there including Norton, Mulally, Shaw, Grice, Vermette, Dooley, Silva and Lemire (Canada), plus a bunch more.   Neko looked great last weekend in NZ, Grice won the first DHSE, Dak is sure to be fast but is his program ramped up yet?   Lemire on the Transition for the first time, Vermette crushed it at US Open, Shaw should be back strong....   Who's your picks?  

Norco factory team should be there as well. 

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Atkisa 3/23/2023 8:32am
3/23/2023 8:32am
MiSo11 wrote:
If you won every round (and therefore the overall) you'd gross €20,500 in prize money. I guess that would cover most travel(?). You don't ride bikes...

If you won every round (and therefore the overall) you'd gross €20,500 in prize money. I guess that would cover most travel(?). You don't ride bikes to get rich Huh

Atkisa wrote:

That's right, you ride bikes to get other people rich. The way we all know it should be....

bulletbass man wrote:

Which bike brand is getting rich off bike racing?

Take you pick of any brand paying rubbish wages to racers while turning a profit. Why should they get the exposure racing brings for free?

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bulletbass man 3/23/2023 9:40am
3/23/2023 9:40am
Atkisa wrote:

That's right, you ride bikes to get other people rich. The way we all know it should be....

bulletbass man wrote:

Which bike brand is getting rich off bike racing?

Atkisa wrote:

Take you pick of any brand paying rubbish wages to racers while turning a profit. Why should they get the exposure racing brings for free?

I have a hard time believing short of consistently getting on the podium many riders are actually having results translate to bike sales.  And those guys by and large are making a decent salary.  

 

internationial racing is insanely expensive.  There are few and basically no title team sponsors from outside the industry.  Only reason these series exist and there is a deep field of upcoming riders is because the brands are as passionate about bike racing as fans are.  That’s not to take away from the talent and dedication it takes to be a top 20 rider.  And a top 20 rider can make some money if they can create a following for their personality or want to ride for the best paying brand they can find as opposed to one with proven winning equipment.  Because for some brands a top 10 actually translates to exposure that may be worth the investment.  What does a top 10 mean to maxxis when they have a guy on the podium.

we’re a niche sport and racing (especially internationally) is probably the most niche part of it.  
 

I certainly hope the sport grows to the point where coke or Bank of America will pay a million dollar prize purse to be attached to the snowshoe World Cup or the likes.  But I don’t think the bike industry isn’t valuing racing.  If anything it’s quite the opposite.

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