Snowshoe World Cup Thread!

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This is the second time in a row that Snowshoe and the terrain has served up an unpredictable race. If Snowshoe does not become a permanent stop, the UCI is being (per usual) stupid.
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derelict wrote:
This is the second time in a row that Snowshoe and the terrain has served up an unpredictable race. If Snowshoe does not become a permanent...
This is the second time in a row that Snowshoe and the terrain has served up an unpredictable race. If Snowshoe does not become a permanent stop, the UCI is being (per usual) stupid.
Commencal will certainly not be looking to keep going back there
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Awesome series of races, men's XC was fucking great with that last lap and attack by Blevins to be the first American male win since 94 (and on home soil).

Crowds seemed awesome as well from the race coverage, Bernard's vlogs etc.
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derelict wrote:
This is the second time in a row that Snowshoe and the terrain has served up an unpredictable race. If Snowshoe does not become a permanent...
This is the second time in a row that Snowshoe and the terrain has served up an unpredictable race. If Snowshoe does not become a permanent stop, the UCI is being (per usual) stupid.
Unpopular opinion: while I personally like watching the riding on the course at Snowshoe, I feel it produces too many injuries and random mechanicals. I know, "this is racing" but still, it would be nice to not have an overall decided by luck but actually your ability to ride a bike fast over a multitude of tracks. Having 1/3 of the season on a track that throws in a large element of randomness is bad, even worse if it is the season finale. I would not feel the same way if it would be one race out of 10 or 12, so more races or double headers at all courses?
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derelict wrote:
This is the second time in a row that Snowshoe and the terrain has served up an unpredictable race. If Snowshoe does not become a permanent...
This is the second time in a row that Snowshoe and the terrain has served up an unpredictable race. If Snowshoe does not become a permanent stop, the UCI is being (per usual) stupid.
iRider wrote:
Unpopular opinion: while I personally like watching the riding on the course at Snowshoe, I feel it produces too many injuries and random mechanicals. I know...
Unpopular opinion: while I personally like watching the riding on the course at Snowshoe, I feel it produces too many injuries and random mechanicals. I know, "this is racing" but still, it would be nice to not have an overall decided by luck but actually your ability to ride a bike fast over a multitude of tracks. Having 1/3 of the season on a track that throws in a large element of randomness is bad, even worse if it is the season finale. I would not feel the same way if it would be one race out of 10 or 12, so more races or double headers at all courses?
Staying safe and protecting your bike is a part of racing. Every track has claimed victims. Did thibauelt struggle with the track or riding right at his limit while under immense pressure. Probably a bit of both. Myriam took her eye off the ball last second. On the other hand Loic won the race at the top and survived losing time at the bottom. Meanwhile Troy absolutely crushed the bottom by being faster, more precise, and an insane line nobody else took as far as I know. (At 2:31ish on troy’s POV on YouTube). He also made faster options work that other guys either couldn’t replicate at all or weren’t doing remotely as well.


This has been by far the best year for tracks since I started watching dh regularly. Every track offered something entirely different and from a fan perspective it was great to see different riders shine as well as struggle. I’d much rather see different east coast venues if there is only going to be one race I don’t need a passport to see but We all agree we want more rounds. It seems yearly tracks is the best way to consistently have races organized and approved. If snowshoe and msa are every year it makes it that much easier for a round to go off in co, nh, or ny. Team travel is a major factor why some questionable euro rounds have gotten approved (better something than nothing) and there is so little outside of Europe.
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9/20/2021 6:05am Edited Date/Time 9/20/2021 6:06am
derelict wrote:
This is the second time in a row that Snowshoe and the terrain has served up an unpredictable race. If Snowshoe does not become a permanent...
This is the second time in a row that Snowshoe and the terrain has served up an unpredictable race. If Snowshoe does not become a permanent stop, the UCI is being (per usual) stupid.
iRider wrote:
Unpopular opinion: while I personally like watching the riding on the course at Snowshoe, I feel it produces too many injuries and random mechanicals. I know...
Unpopular opinion: while I personally like watching the riding on the course at Snowshoe, I feel it produces too many injuries and random mechanicals. I know, "this is racing" but still, it would be nice to not have an overall decided by luck but actually your ability to ride a bike fast over a multitude of tracks. Having 1/3 of the season on a track that throws in a large element of randomness is bad, even worse if it is the season finale. I would not feel the same way if it would be one race out of 10 or 12, so more races or double headers at all courses?
I get that but cannot possibly agree. If DH is the "F1" of bike racing, and you know that a relatively flat (by typical track standards) but varied terrain track is crushing rims, chains, tires, etc..., it should push the manufacturers to step up and improve their products.

Snowshoe eats up bikes and people. Thankfully, it was dry. In the wet, that place is something completely different. This wasnt a fast, 'bike park' track. Is it any coincidence that the parts that were eating riders and forcing mechanicals were the natural parts?

I should add that I absolutely do not want to see people get hurt but a gnarly track is a skills and mental check.
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I think there should be more gnarly tracks like Snowshoe. Every track should test the rider and their equipment just like we saw this week.
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boogenman wrote:
I think there should be more gnarly tracks like Snowshoe. Every track should test the rider and their equipment just like we saw this week.
I agree. WC tracks should be the most difficult tracks. It is not bad luck if a rider is knocked off line and suffers a mechanical, it is a mistake, and we know this because it is not lucky when a rider successfully rides a gnarly section of track, it is skill. Of course, in the heat of a WC run even the most skillful sometimes make mistakes, and that's what is meant by "that's racing."
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derelict wrote:
This is the second time in a row that Snowshoe and the terrain has served up an unpredictable race. If Snowshoe does not become a permanent...
This is the second time in a row that Snowshoe and the terrain has served up an unpredictable race. If Snowshoe does not become a permanent stop, the UCI is being (per usual) stupid.
iRider wrote:
Unpopular opinion: while I personally like watching the riding on the course at Snowshoe, I feel it produces too many injuries and random mechanicals. I know...
Unpopular opinion: while I personally like watching the riding on the course at Snowshoe, I feel it produces too many injuries and random mechanicals. I know, "this is racing" but still, it would be nice to not have an overall decided by luck but actually your ability to ride a bike fast over a multitude of tracks. Having 1/3 of the season on a track that throws in a large element of randomness is bad, even worse if it is the season finale. I would not feel the same way if it would be one race out of 10 or 12, so more races or double headers at all courses?
derelict wrote:
I get that but cannot possibly agree. If DH is the "F1" of bike racing, and you know that a relatively flat (by typical track standards)...
I get that but cannot possibly agree. If DH is the "F1" of bike racing, and you know that a relatively flat (by typical track standards) but varied terrain track is crushing rims, chains, tires, etc..., it should push the manufacturers to step up and improve their products.

Snowshoe eats up bikes and people. Thankfully, it was dry. In the wet, that place is something completely different. This wasnt a fast, 'bike park' track. Is it any coincidence that the parts that were eating riders and forcing mechanicals were the natural parts?

I should add that I absolutely do not want to see people get hurt but a gnarly track is a skills and mental check.
Just name any other sport where the outcome of the season is so heavily influenced by who stays healthy to be able to participate? I rarely see a F1 race that has some top contenders missing because they had an accident in a previous race. Also pretty rare in road bike racing, although there it happens.
When was the last time we saw a full field in the men's and women's categories competing w/o any riders missing because of injury?
If you think that the tracks have to be gnarly, then why not go all the way and include Hardline?

As a spectator I HATE seeing riders getting hurt. The accident from Jess Blewitt took a lot of enjoyment out of my watching experience. Would you show a race like this to your friends and tell them how great the sport is?
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9/20/2021 10:15am Edited Date/Time 9/20/2021 10:16am
How about moto cross racing, hockey, football, rugby etc tons of injuries there that change the outcome of the season.

Everyone forgets about mechanicals when we have had some relatively smooth tracks we have had the last 2 years once Mount St Anne and Fort William are back again rims and flats will be an issue.

No one likes seeing injuries but they happen when you are pushing. Blewitt came in offline on a smooth section of track there is nothing she or course designers could have done to prevent that crash at that moment.
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Alpine skiing is very much the same in terms of gnarly tracks taking out skiers. Losing a couple of the top 20 every season due to massive crashes at places like Kitzbuhel is pretty much a guarantee. Which makes it all the more impressive when folks are able to carve out a 10+ yr career, or 20+ in the case of Minaar and Sik Mik. Those guys haven't survived for 20 years at the top due to luck.

I do agree that having a double-header can potentially bias the result since any given track is sure to suit some better than others.

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iRider wrote:
Unpopular opinion: while I personally like watching the riding on the course at Snowshoe, I feel it produces too many injuries and random mechanicals. I know...
Unpopular opinion: while I personally like watching the riding on the course at Snowshoe, I feel it produces too many injuries and random mechanicals. I know, "this is racing" but still, it would be nice to not have an overall decided by luck but actually your ability to ride a bike fast over a multitude of tracks. Having 1/3 of the season on a track that throws in a large element of randomness is bad, even worse if it is the season finale. I would not feel the same way if it would be one race out of 10 or 12, so more races or double headers at all courses?
derelict wrote:
I get that but cannot possibly agree. If DH is the "F1" of bike racing, and you know that a relatively flat (by typical track standards)...
I get that but cannot possibly agree. If DH is the "F1" of bike racing, and you know that a relatively flat (by typical track standards) but varied terrain track is crushing rims, chains, tires, etc..., it should push the manufacturers to step up and improve their products.

Snowshoe eats up bikes and people. Thankfully, it was dry. In the wet, that place is something completely different. This wasnt a fast, 'bike park' track. Is it any coincidence that the parts that were eating riders and forcing mechanicals were the natural parts?

I should add that I absolutely do not want to see people get hurt but a gnarly track is a skills and mental check.
iRider wrote:
Just name any other sport where the outcome of the season is so heavily influenced by who stays healthy to be able to participate? I rarely...
Just name any other sport where the outcome of the season is so heavily influenced by who stays healthy to be able to participate? I rarely see a F1 race that has some top contenders missing because they had an accident in a previous race. Also pretty rare in road bike racing, although there it happens.
When was the last time we saw a full field in the men's and women's categories competing w/o any riders missing because of injury?
If you think that the tracks have to be gnarly, then why not go all the way and include Hardline?

As a spectator I HATE seeing riders getting hurt. The accident from Jess Blewitt took a lot of enjoyment out of my watching experience. Would you show a race like this to your friends and tell them how great the sport is?
Easy answer: All sports. I have also played and watched soccer all of my life. The teams that win championships are the ones that can play and perform in all of the different leagues and stay healthy.

People get hurt. It sucks but you are blasting down a mountain at 30+ mph. You will fall. Hell, I fall off my bike at 5 mph some times and will, at times, get hurt.
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grambo wrote:
Awesome series of races, men's XC was fucking great with that last lap and attack by Blevins to be the first American male win since 94...
Awesome series of races, men's XC was fucking great with that last lap and attack by Blevins to be the first American male win since 94 (and on home soil).

Crowds seemed awesome as well from the race coverage, Bernard's vlogs etc.
The Crowds were huge! Someone working for Snowshoe could confirm but I feel like there were 10k people lining the downhill track from top to bottom on Saturday. It had to be really different for the riders to have so many spectators right at the start gate, and the track was lined 10-20 people deep from the start to the thread the needle jump.

You just can't beat live world cup DH. Having the Redbull video feed on video boards at the finish line with all of the splits, etc. is something else. It certainly makes the announcing job at the bottom easier!

Big props to the young USDH rippers, Dante Silva 13, Austin Dooley 22, Tyler Ervin 37, and Matt Sterling 48.
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9/21/2021 12:21pm
iRider wrote:
Just name any other sport where the outcome of the season is so heavily influenced by who stays healthy to be able to participate? I rarely...
Just name any other sport where the outcome of the season is so heavily influenced by who stays healthy to be able to participate? I rarely see a F1 race that has some top contenders missing because they had an accident in a previous race. Also pretty rare in road bike racing, although there it happens.
When was the last time we saw a full field in the men's and women's categories competing w/o any riders missing because of injury?
If you think that the tracks have to be gnarly, then why not go all the way and include Hardline?

As a spectator I HATE seeing riders getting hurt. The accident from Jess Blewitt took a lot of enjoyment out of my watching experience. Would you show a race like this to your friends and tell them how great the sport is?
Um, every one of them. Ping Pong...if you do not stay healthy and in top form (including all aspects of life, physical and emotional) well, you do not perform as a champion. Sorry, just the way it is. I dont care if you are a world class chess player, you dont stay healthy, you dont compete well.

Excuses have no place on a podium. The ONLY thing for second place to say is "I was out-performed", any other statement is a pathetic excuse.
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iRider wrote:
Just name any other sport where the outcome of the season is so heavily influenced by who stays healthy to be able to participate? I rarely...
Just name any other sport where the outcome of the season is so heavily influenced by who stays healthy to be able to participate? I rarely see a F1 race that has some top contenders missing because they had an accident in a previous race. Also pretty rare in road bike racing, although there it happens.
When was the last time we saw a full field in the men's and women's categories competing w/o any riders missing because of injury?
If you think that the tracks have to be gnarly, then why not go all the way and include Hardline?

As a spectator I HATE seeing riders getting hurt. The accident from Jess Blewitt took a lot of enjoyment out of my watching experience. Would you show a race like this to your friends and tell them how great the sport is?
That's two pretty bad examples, maby compare DH to something a little closer, such as MX? Every year the field gets depleted in MX racing just like in DH through injury. They are high risk sports where crash's are common and injuries can be sever.
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iRider wrote:
Just name any other sport where the outcome of the season is so heavily influenced by who stays healthy to be able to participate? I rarely...
Just name any other sport where the outcome of the season is so heavily influenced by who stays healthy to be able to participate? I rarely see a F1 race that has some top contenders missing because they had an accident in a previous race. Also pretty rare in road bike racing, although there it happens.
When was the last time we saw a full field in the men's and women's categories competing w/o any riders missing because of injury?
If you think that the tracks have to be gnarly, then why not go all the way and include Hardline?

As a spectator I HATE seeing riders getting hurt. The accident from Jess Blewitt took a lot of enjoyment out of my watching experience. Would you show a race like this to your friends and tell them how great the sport is?
Um, every one of them. Ping Pong...if you do not stay healthy and in top form (including all aspects of life, physical and emotional) well, you...
Um, every one of them. Ping Pong...if you do not stay healthy and in top form (including all aspects of life, physical and emotional) well, you do not perform as a champion. Sorry, just the way it is. I dont care if you are a world class chess player, you dont stay healthy, you dont compete well.

Excuses have no place on a podium. The ONLY thing for second place to say is "I was out-performed", any other statement is a pathetic excuse.
I find it quite mindblowing how everybody thinks the status quo of high risk and massive injuries is good for the sport.
Personally I would have loved to see a real showdown with Daprella and Minnaar in the mix and clean runs from e.g. Brook, Kerr, Vergier. That would truely show who out-performed whom and not who stayed healthy and on the bike in a fairly random way.
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iRider wrote:
Just name any other sport where the outcome of the season is so heavily influenced by who stays healthy to be able to participate? I rarely...
Just name any other sport where the outcome of the season is so heavily influenced by who stays healthy to be able to participate? I rarely see a F1 race that has some top contenders missing because they had an accident in a previous race. Also pretty rare in road bike racing, although there it happens.
When was the last time we saw a full field in the men's and women's categories competing w/o any riders missing because of injury?
If you think that the tracks have to be gnarly, then why not go all the way and include Hardline?

As a spectator I HATE seeing riders getting hurt. The accident from Jess Blewitt took a lot of enjoyment out of my watching experience. Would you show a race like this to your friends and tell them how great the sport is?
Um, every one of them. Ping Pong...if you do not stay healthy and in top form (including all aspects of life, physical and emotional) well, you...
Um, every one of them. Ping Pong...if you do not stay healthy and in top form (including all aspects of life, physical and emotional) well, you do not perform as a champion. Sorry, just the way it is. I dont care if you are a world class chess player, you dont stay healthy, you dont compete well.

Excuses have no place on a podium. The ONLY thing for second place to say is "I was out-performed", any other statement is a pathetic excuse.
iRider wrote:
I find it quite mindblowing how everybody thinks the status quo of high risk and massive injuries is good for the sport. Personally I would have...
I find it quite mindblowing how everybody thinks the status quo of high risk and massive injuries is good for the sport.
Personally I would have loved to see a real showdown with Daprella and Minnaar in the mix and clean runs from e.g. Brook, Kerr, Vergier. That would truely show who out-performed whom and not who stayed healthy and on the bike in a fairly random way.
I'm confused, what are you proposing to mitigate injury risk? Smoother tracks (like Leogang before they added woods)? Those are typically said as being poor tracks to race by the racers themselves, one line, extreme speeds etc.
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grambo wrote:
I'm confused, what are you proposing to mitigate injury risk? Smoother tracks (like Leogang before they added woods)? Those are typically said as being poor tracks...
I'm confused, what are you proposing to mitigate injury risk? Smoother tracks (like Leogang before they added woods)? Those are typically said as being poor tracks to race by the racers themselves, one line, extreme speeds etc.
Zwift DH races
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9/24/2021 10:41am
grambo wrote:
I'm confused, what are you proposing to mitigate injury risk? Smoother tracks (like Leogang before they added woods)? Those are typically said as being poor tracks...
I'm confused, what are you proposing to mitigate injury risk? Smoother tracks (like Leogang before they added woods)? Those are typically said as being poor tracks to race by the racers themselves, one line, extreme speeds etc.
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Zwift DH races
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iRider wrote:
Just name any other sport where the outcome of the season is so heavily influenced by who stays healthy to be able to participate? I rarely...
Just name any other sport where the outcome of the season is so heavily influenced by who stays healthy to be able to participate? I rarely see a F1 race that has some top contenders missing because they had an accident in a previous race. Also pretty rare in road bike racing, although there it happens.
When was the last time we saw a full field in the men's and women's categories competing w/o any riders missing because of injury?
If you think that the tracks have to be gnarly, then why not go all the way and include Hardline?

As a spectator I HATE seeing riders getting hurt. The accident from Jess Blewitt took a lot of enjoyment out of my watching experience. Would you show a race like this to your friends and tell them how great the sport is?
Um, every one of them. Ping Pong...if you do not stay healthy and in top form (including all aspects of life, physical and emotional) well, you...
Um, every one of them. Ping Pong...if you do not stay healthy and in top form (including all aspects of life, physical and emotional) well, you do not perform as a champion. Sorry, just the way it is. I dont care if you are a world class chess player, you dont stay healthy, you dont compete well.

Excuses have no place on a podium. The ONLY thing for second place to say is "I was out-performed", any other statement is a pathetic excuse.
iRider wrote:
I find it quite mindblowing how everybody thinks the status quo of high risk and massive injuries is good for the sport. Personally I would have...
I find it quite mindblowing how everybody thinks the status quo of high risk and massive injuries is good for the sport.
Personally I would have loved to see a real showdown with Daprella and Minnaar in the mix and clean runs from e.g. Brook, Kerr, Vergier. That would truely show who out-performed whom and not who stayed healthy and on the bike in a fairly random way.
No one WANTS dangerous races but if we are honest, the local DH leagues/ series tracks are more technically challenging then the WC UCI tracks. The DHSE DH track at Snowshoe was an absolute beast and would make the UCI nervous yet, people rode it and made it down. They adjusted for the conditions and terrain.

I think that I have mentioned this before but in most sport, there is an acceptance of injury until there is not. Racing, full speed, down a mountain on a bike is high risk. People and riders accept that. At least for now. Technology has progressed to the place where these bikes, and their highly conditioned riders, can do things that boggle the mind. Just like in other sport, self preservation will kick in. I think, and I could be MASSIVELY off here but, I believe that if you want things to slow down and become safer, tracks need to become more tech oriented. No flats and bermed turns. Down vote me all you want. That is what I think. They add chicanes to race tracks for that very reason.
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9/27/2021 5:23am
@derelict - Yup, had that some years ago when we went to Ironman China....saw the water....um, nope. Not getting (and didn't) get in.
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Um, every one of them. Ping Pong...if you do not stay healthy and in top form (including all aspects of life, physical and emotional) well, you...
Um, every one of them. Ping Pong...if you do not stay healthy and in top form (including all aspects of life, physical and emotional) well, you do not perform as a champion. Sorry, just the way it is. I dont care if you are a world class chess player, you dont stay healthy, you dont compete well.

Excuses have no place on a podium. The ONLY thing for second place to say is "I was out-performed", any other statement is a pathetic excuse.
iRider wrote:
I find it quite mindblowing how everybody thinks the status quo of high risk and massive injuries is good for the sport. Personally I would have...
I find it quite mindblowing how everybody thinks the status quo of high risk and massive injuries is good for the sport.
Personally I would have loved to see a real showdown with Daprella and Minnaar in the mix and clean runs from e.g. Brook, Kerr, Vergier. That would truely show who out-performed whom and not who stayed healthy and on the bike in a fairly random way.
grambo wrote:
I'm confused, what are you proposing to mitigate injury risk? Smoother tracks (like Leogang before they added woods)? Those are typically said as being poor tracks...
I'm confused, what are you proposing to mitigate injury risk? Smoother tracks (like Leogang before they added woods)? Those are typically said as being poor tracks to race by the racers themselves, one line, extreme speeds etc.
My ideas would be:
- mandatory safety gear/protection
- mandatory concussion check by the race doc after every crash where you hit your head
- slowing down the high speed sections with chicanes and such
- making going off line less punishing, so no resulting crash or mechanical (e.g. not like Les Gets this kicker in the open that Kolb nearly died on, Snowshoe rock gardens and this little bridge that Loris missed in his run)
- padding on all trees that a rider potentially could hit (was there a crash pad on that tree in Snowshoe after the drop that everybody hit?)
- establishing of safe crash zones on risky sections of the track
- make the chicken lines less of a time penalty to hit, that would incentivise more riders to be reasonable and not feel pressured to (wo)man up
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9/27/2021 8:32am
iRider wrote:
I find it quite mindblowing how everybody thinks the status quo of high risk and massive injuries is good for the sport. Personally I would have...
I find it quite mindblowing how everybody thinks the status quo of high risk and massive injuries is good for the sport.
Personally I would have loved to see a real showdown with Daprella and Minnaar in the mix and clean runs from e.g. Brook, Kerr, Vergier. That would truely show who out-performed whom and not who stayed healthy and on the bike in a fairly random way.
grambo wrote:
I'm confused, what are you proposing to mitigate injury risk? Smoother tracks (like Leogang before they added woods)? Those are typically said as being poor tracks...
I'm confused, what are you proposing to mitigate injury risk? Smoother tracks (like Leogang before they added woods)? Those are typically said as being poor tracks to race by the racers themselves, one line, extreme speeds etc.
iRider wrote:
My ideas would be: - mandatory safety gear/protection - mandatory concussion check by the race doc after every crash where you hit your head - slowing...
My ideas would be:
- mandatory safety gear/protection
- mandatory concussion check by the race doc after every crash where you hit your head
- slowing down the high speed sections with chicanes and such
- making going off line less punishing, so no resulting crash or mechanical (e.g. not like Les Gets this kicker in the open that Kolb nearly died on, Snowshoe rock gardens and this little bridge that Loris missed in his run)
- padding on all trees that a rider potentially could hit (was there a crash pad on that tree in Snowshoe after the drop that everybody hit?)
- establishing of safe crash zones on risky sections of the track
- make the chicken lines less of a time penalty to hit, that would incentivise more riders to be reasonable and not feel pressured to (wo)man up
I agree les gets jumps (detracted from race in open section and drop wasn’t even televised) left something to be desired in a risk/reward scenario and there probably needs to be a better concussion protocol at uci dh events. Especially for those diagnosed with a concussion (just any doctor clearing you is not remotely enough). But by and large people enjoy gravity mtb because of the risks. And while there is a fine line between adding challenge and a stupid feature, the rocks at snowshoe or maribor are the opposite of the problem.

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You cannot eliminate rocks from a place like Snowshoe. THey are a part of the package. I do agree with chicken lines/ bypasses being available but they also need to be technical. If a bypass allows a retention of speed that the original line does not, everyone will hit the bypass and it might create a situation opposite of intended.
9/27/2021 10:40am
Chicken lines? Please, tell me that is a joke....

The other day at the grocery store I did announce that I "identify as next"....using this mindset, I am going to show up at next years World Championships, proclaim that I "identify as the winner" and reap the rewards (I hope being laughed at uncontrollably and escorted off of the venue).
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9/27/2021 11:13am Edited Date/Time 9/27/2021 11:14am
iceman2058 wrote:
Update from Jess Blewitt on her injuries. Hell up well Jess, we're looking forward to seeing you back out there charging! View this post on Instagram ...
Update from Jess Blewitt on her injuries. Hell up well Jess, we're looking forward to seeing you back out there charging!

That was a huge crash! Hopefully being one of the youngest riders on the circuit will play into Jess' favor as she works on her recovery.

The "triple" as it's know where Jess crashed is a really interesting feature. Anyone on these forums ever hit it? It's open during the regular bike park season, I've never given it a tug.

The feature looks really long standing there but I've come to the conclusion that's it's more about timing your pre-load/pop correctly than coming in with a ton of speed. Jess got stuffed in the berm before the triple (it was so dry that the berm had a hole in it despite not being a braking zone) which threw her off rhythm for the pop.


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9/27/2021 11:49am
Chicken lines? Please, tell me that is a joke.... The other day at the grocery store I did announce that I "identify as next"....using this mindset...
Chicken lines? Please, tell me that is a joke....

The other day at the grocery store I did announce that I "identify as next"....using this mindset, I am going to show up at next years World Championships, proclaim that I "identify as the winner" and reap the rewards (I hope being laughed at uncontrollably and escorted off of the venue).
I hate to break the news to you, they are already there for most big features. Otherwise only a handful of women would be able to ride the course. In Snowshoe Vali went around the double with the big rock in the landing in most of her practice runs I think, but she hit it during her race run. That shows to me that she was not comfortable on it and just knew if she wanted to have a chance of winning she had to hit it.
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9/27/2021 11:52am
derelict wrote:
You cannot eliminate rocks from a place like Snowshoe. THey are a part of the package. I do agree with chicken lines/ bypasses being available but...
You cannot eliminate rocks from a place like Snowshoe. THey are a part of the package. I do agree with chicken lines/ bypasses being available but they also need to be technical. If a bypass allows a retention of speed that the original line does not, everyone will hit the bypass and it might create a situation opposite of intended.
Yeah, but you can eliminate rolling rocks or rocks that move while you ride over them.
I agree with that the chicken lines have to be technical as well and slower than the main line, but not 10 secs slower. Would also be a good opportunity for changing the course if it e.g. rains badly and the main line would get too risky. Close the main line and leave the easier line open.
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