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Hell yeah Joe, that's what's up! I have several people in my life that have regained their outdoor freedoms because of e-bikes and I think that's awesome.

Hey Stik, I doubt you remember who I am or recall that we have been on the same side of this bike stuff for a few years now. I've always held you in regard as "one of the good guys." Regardless, I gotta say I am pretty let down by your reaction here. Personal insults aside, let's unpack this a bit. The image: editorial chose that image not for the e-bike guy, but the hammering pro. That's Josh Carlson, a well-known e-bike advocate. It's ironic and it's funny from that standpoint. Word choice: As you noted, I am a product...

Not sure who you are asking the question to or if anybody in particular. For me, the tipping point of an e-bike becoming a motorcycle is the inclusion of a throttle and the absence of it being pedal assist. Class 1 e-bikes (the one in contention for most people) won't go unless pedaled. Stop pedaling, the power cuts off. A motorcycle is 1,000 more fun in that you just twist that wrist and go!

My second paragraph: I compared cyclocross bikes and mountain bikes to drive home the point that I am not discounting e-bikes as a form of bicycle. Just like I compared telemarking and traditional downhill skiing. They are all bikes, they are all skis, they are just different forms of them. I never said e-bikes should have limited access, rather it is a complicated issue. What I said is that everybody is entitled to have fun however they want. The question that I have, to your point of land access and teaching new user groups about trail etiquette is this: Who...

Well said! Like I said in my opinion, I'm not coming down on anyone that chooses to have fun in a different way. I don't hate on roadies, cyclocross riders, or any other subset of two-wheel fun. You're having a good time and I say good for you. I will be really interested to see if your prediction comes true...

It sounds like we agree on pretty much everything here. We both feel that eMTB's are not as fun as regular MTB's. You own one but don't ride it very often. People should be allowed to have fun in whatever way they want and so on. *high-five* The only comparisons I made were to other forms of bicycle or snow sports. I never said eMTB's weren't real bikes, I just said they are different bikes.

I think that's a pretty fair assessment of it. The ride qualities are similar in the corners for sure, a definite treat.

Head to the site for the full model list, there are several Shimano builds. Better still, you can have ANY of them with a Shimano build via Norco's customization program.