Having been to World Cups in places like Windham, Snowshoe, and Placid, or other hard to reach or smaller venues without the name recognition for gravity riding, the investment is a massive undertaking and risk.
'27 WC schedule makes me sad. Curious to see how Beyond Gravity (and Cannonball festival given its so close time wise) goes. Maybe it proves there's space for another multi race series that can slot in between the European Cups and the 7 month off season.
This involves bikes and racing, but not bike racing. I've heard (albeit 3rd hand) that in 2027 or 2028, Semenuk is planning to build a line and film an edit at Arrowhead in Claremont, NH. This will be in conjunction with a Red Bull and Vermont SportsCar organized rally race of some sort in the Upper Valley region of VT and NH. At some point the plan was to drive a rally car up the access road, but it's a bit too narrow to go fast enough to look cool, so they'll be using local dirt roads instead. Arrowhead already has some of the best enduro race trails in the northeast US, and it will be sweet if they get a video part jump line and tone it down for us mere mortals after the fact.
This involves bikes and racing, but not bike racing. I've heard (albeit 3rd hand) that in 2027 or 2028, Semenuk is planning to build a line...
This involves bikes and racing, but not bike racing. I've heard (albeit 3rd hand) that in 2027 or 2028, Semenuk is planning to build a line and film an edit at Arrowhead in Claremont, NH. This will be in conjunction with a Red Bull and Vermont SportsCar organized rally race of some sort in the Upper Valley region of VT and NH. At some point the plan was to drive a rally car up the access road, but it's a bit too narrow to go fast enough to look cool, so they'll be using local dirt roads instead. Arrowhead already has some of the best enduro race trails in the northeast US, and it will be sweet if they get a video part jump line and tone it down for us mere mortals after the fact.
I heard this as well, from one of the shop owners at Arrowhead. Apparently initial visits have already taken place. I'm pumped for this and them. If it comes together. And yes, the trails there are incredible. My favorite place to ride in New England, even without a chairlift.
This came up in my youtube feed, but I haven't seen any official announcements yet.
Squad Enduro in Squamish on 5/1/2027. Looks similar to the old Trophy of Nations enduro races or Enduro 2 (+1). I had promoted the idea of this being a good "new direction" for Enduro to go to make it more spectator/viewer friendly (mainly due to followcam).
This came up in my youtube feed, but I haven't seen any official announcements yet.Squad Enduro in Squamish on 5/1/2027. Looks similar to the old...
This came up in my youtube feed, but I haven't seen any official announcements yet.
Squad Enduro in Squamish on 5/1/2027. Looks similar to the old Trophy of Nations enduro races or Enduro 2 (+1). I had promoted the idea of this being a good "new direction" for Enduro to go to make it more spectator/viewer friendly (mainly due to followcam).
Slight difference to enduro2 though, there the first rider starting the stage and the last ending it determines the stage time. This promotes people riding together.
With squad enduro individual times are added together plus the time spread between the three people starting, so it promotes everybody riding as fast as possible and just starting together...
Yeah, I think the UCI marketing model is: it'll cost you a fortune, but you'll make a fortune*. *No guarantee, your results may vary. Reminds me of a...
Yeah, I think the UCI marketing model is: it'll cost you a fortune, but you'll make a fortune*.
*No guarantee, your results may vary.
Reminds me of a saying: How do you make a million dollars in the restaurant industry? Start with 2.
I'm curious what happened to Champery in this respect. Because they invested in having a World Cup, building up to a World Championship and then... a 10+ year break. And then out again. What's the point of this? Honest question.
I've been there in 2011, witnessed Danny live and blew my lungs off, by the way. The small township was suffocated by tourists. Before it rained, we camped in the valley, in some bushes, next to some almost cliche brits-with-a-Transit-who-were-doing-Euro-bikeparks-and-lived-the-van-life. When it started pouring, we moved to the tourist center up in the village and we were hoping that the crowd there was going to go home to their hotels, but surprise! They were all like us and we camped on the tarmac, unde the extended roof, where it was dry.
My point is: does anybody know what the plan of Champery was or is? Because it's a fantastic venue, IMO, but it was criminally underprepared for those Worlds. Underprepared to make money, among other things.
Most ski resorts are not really bothered by biking. Yes, the Portes des Soleil is full of bikers, Yes Verbier is so busy almost year round going between biking and skiing (it opened last weekend to skiers and I don't think anywhere is open in france) yet still no passion. You can imagine a core group of Champery bikers managed to persuade the rest of the Commune & Lift company to operate the occasional competition. It's much easier to have a luge for kids, run a few lifts for tourists, hikers and a few bikers. If it keeps everything ticking over in the village then thats a win. Minor cost in the grand scheme. No dig team and constant trail maintenance costs. The joke we have is that many smaller resorts claim to have a bike park with their one blue flow trail when in reality it's insufficient.
I'm curious what happened to Champery in this respect. Because they invested in having a World Cup, building up to a World Championship and then... a...
I'm curious what happened to Champery in this respect. Because they invested in having a World Cup, building up to a World Championship and then... a 10+ year break. And then out again. What's the point of this? Honest question.
I've been there in 2011, witnessed Danny live and blew my lungs off, by the way. The small township was suffocated by tourists. Before it rained, we camped in the valley, in some bushes, next to some almost cliche brits-with-a-Transit-who-were-doing-Euro-bikeparks-and-lived-the-van-life. When it started pouring, we moved to the tourist center up in the village and we were hoping that the crowd there was going to go home to their hotels, but surprise! They were all like us and we camped on the tarmac, unde the extended roof, where it was dry.
My point is: does anybody know what the plan of Champery was or is? Because it's a fantastic venue, IMO, but it was criminally underprepared for those Worlds. Underprepared to make money, among other things.
Mx
I wonder if @buckoW would be willing to answer that, in the end he is the guy who runs the place/race... If its already happening I'm also curious if UCI was of any help considering this is their home race (their HQ is just down the valley for people who dont know that)
This came up in my youtube feed, but I haven't seen any official announcements yet.Squad Enduro in Squamish on 5/1/2027. Looks similar to the old...
This came up in my youtube feed, but I haven't seen any official announcements yet.
Squad Enduro in Squamish on 5/1/2027. Looks similar to the old Trophy of Nations enduro races or Enduro 2 (+1). I had promoted the idea of this being a good "new direction" for Enduro to go to make it more spectator/viewer friendly (mainly due to followcam).
Slight difference to enduro2 though, there the first rider starting the stage and the last ending it determines the stage time. This promotes people riding together. With...
Slight difference to enduro2 though, there the first rider starting the stage and the last ending it determines the stage time. This promotes people riding together.
With squad enduro individual times are added together plus the time spread between the three people starting, so it promotes everybody riding as fast as possible and just starting together...
Yeah, I think the UCI marketing model is: it'll cost you a fortune, but you'll make a fortune*. *No guarantee, your results may vary. Reminds me of a...
Yeah, I think the UCI marketing model is: it'll cost you a fortune, but you'll make a fortune*.
*No guarantee, your results may vary.
Reminds me of a saying: How do you make a million dollars in the restaurant industry? Start with 2.
I'm curious what happened to Champery in this respect. Because they invested in having a World Cup, building up to a World Championship and then... a...
I'm curious what happened to Champery in this respect. Because they invested in having a World Cup, building up to a World Championship and then... a 10+ year break. And then out again. What's the point of this? Honest question.
I've been there in 2011, witnessed Danny live and blew my lungs off, by the way. The small township was suffocated by tourists. Before it rained, we camped in the valley, in some bushes, next to some almost cliche brits-with-a-Transit-who-were-doing-Euro-bikeparks-and-lived-the-van-life. When it started pouring, we moved to the tourist center up in the village and we were hoping that the crowd there was going to go home to their hotels, but surprise! They were all like us and we camped on the tarmac, unde the extended roof, where it was dry.
My point is: does anybody know what the plan of Champery was or is? Because it's a fantastic venue, IMO, but it was criminally underprepared for those Worlds. Underprepared to make money, among other things.
Mx
It was my understanding (from around 2014' ish) that the local authorities were not thrilled with the construction of the track and the process by which holding the race was authorized. Possibly there were legal implications. Think similar but different to what went down in Lake Placid. To paraphrase a conversation with Ben at the time, "there will never be an event at Champery ever again."
Clearly something was done to resolve the issue over the course of the last 14 years, at least enough to hold another World Champs, but makes me wonder if that was just a one-off event.
Don’t know what Whistler cost but estimated revenue was $25-30 mil. Hotels were almost fully booked out on what is normally a slow weekend.
Yeah, I think the UCI marketing model is: it'll cost you a fortune, but you'll make a fortune*.
*No guarantee, your results may vary.
Reminds me of a saying: How do you make a million dollars in the restaurant industry? Start with 2.
For those that don't regularly listen to @Downtime Podcast this is an interesting episode https://www.downtimepodcast.com/leogang-world-cup/
I'm not saying your numbers are wrong, but if they are correct, it blew away the previous estimates and is a testament to the value of the upfront costs. https://www.piquenewsmagazine.com/local-news/whistler-council-backs-200k-investment-for-uci-world-cup-debut-12209870
Having been to World Cups in places like Windham, Snowshoe, and Placid, or other hard to reach or smaller venues without the name recognition for gravity riding, the investment is a massive undertaking and risk.
Is that the number for Whistler itself, or the total for the greater Whistler area?
'27 WC schedule makes me sad. Curious to see how Beyond Gravity (and Cannonball festival given its so close time wise) goes. Maybe it proves there's space for another multi race series that can slot in between the European Cups and the 7 month off season.
Would have been sick to see a new US venue. Would also have been sick to see Champery on the calendar again.
Is Durango hosting world champs or something in like 2030?
Durango is hosting world champs in 2030, and most likely a world cup in 2029 from what I remember.
This involves bikes and racing, but not bike racing. I've heard (albeit 3rd hand) that in 2027 or 2028, Semenuk is planning to build a line and film an edit at Arrowhead in Claremont, NH. This will be in conjunction with a Red Bull and Vermont SportsCar organized rally race of some sort in the Upper Valley region of VT and NH. At some point the plan was to drive a rally car up the access road, but it's a bit too narrow to go fast enough to look cool, so they'll be using local dirt roads instead. Arrowhead already has some of the best enduro race trails in the northeast US, and it will be sweet if they get a video part jump line and tone it down for us mere mortals after the fact.
I heard this as well, from one of the shop owners at Arrowhead. Apparently initial visits have already taken place. I'm pumped for this and them. If it comes together. And yes, the trails there are incredible. My favorite place to ride in New England, even without a chairlift.
This came up in my youtube feed, but I haven't seen any official announcements yet.
Squad Enduro in Squamish on 5/1/2027. Looks similar to the old Trophy of Nations enduro races or Enduro 2 (+1). I had promoted the idea of this being a good "new direction" for Enduro to go to make it more spectator/viewer friendly (mainly due to followcam).
Slight difference to enduro2 though, there the first rider starting the stage and the last ending it determines the stage time. This promotes people riding together.
With squad enduro individual times are added together plus the time spread between the three people starting, so it promotes everybody riding as fast as possible and just starting together...
I'm curious what happened to Champery in this respect. Because they invested in having a World Cup, building up to a World Championship and then... a 10+ year break. And then out again. What's the point of this? Honest question.
I've been there in 2011, witnessed Danny live and blew my lungs off, by the way. The small township was suffocated by tourists. Before it rained, we camped in the valley, in some bushes, next to some almost cliche brits-with-a-Transit-who-were-doing-Euro-bikeparks-and-lived-the-van-life. When it started pouring, we moved to the tourist center up in the village and we were hoping that the crowd there was going to go home to their hotels, but surprise! They were all like us and we camped on the tarmac, unde the extended roof, where it was dry.
My point is: does anybody know what the plan of Champery was or is? Because it's a fantastic venue, IMO, but it was criminally underprepared for those Worlds. Underprepared to make money, among other things.
Mx
Most ski resorts are not really bothered by biking. Yes, the Portes des Soleil is full of bikers, Yes Verbier is so busy almost year round going between biking and skiing (it opened last weekend to skiers and I don't think anywhere is open in france) yet still no passion. You can imagine a core group of Champery bikers managed to persuade the rest of the Commune & Lift company to operate the occasional competition. It's much easier to have a luge for kids, run a few lifts for tourists, hikers and a few bikers. If it keeps everything ticking over in the village then thats a win. Minor cost in the grand scheme. No dig team and constant trail maintenance costs. The joke we have is that many smaller resorts claim to have a bike park with their one blue flow trail when in reality it's insufficient.
I wonder if @buckoW would be willing to answer that, in the end he is the guy who runs the place/race... If its already happening I'm also curious if UCI was of any help considering this is their home race (their HQ is just down the valley for people who dont know that)
That sounds so fun. Epic idea for a race format
It was my understanding (from around 2014' ish) that the local authorities were not thrilled with the construction of the track and the process by which holding the race was authorized. Possibly there were legal implications. Think similar but different to what went down in Lake Placid. To paraphrase a conversation with Ben at the time, "there will never be an event at Champery ever again."
Clearly something was done to resolve the issue over the course of the last 14 years, at least enough to hold another World Champs, but makes me wonder if that was just a one-off event.
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