It dawned on me. Everyone says that downhill world cup racing is the F1 of mountain biking. And to a degree this is true. But it had me wondering, why is there not a downhill race format where it is like IndyCar racing?
For those unfamiliar with IndyCar, (Which unfortunately a lot do not know about it) the race series focuses around the capabilities to a driver and the team to its fullest potential. For the most part the cars are identical. Only the smallest things can differ on the vehicles from one racer to another, aside from the dampers.
So it had me wondering what a world cup would look like where the best of the best are on the same frame chosen by the league running the series. Maybe using the frame for 2 years then switching to a new frame eventually where everyone can get accustomed to it.
Everyone can use their preference of components. Although wheels size would be another matter since that can make a difference.
I just like to amuse the idea that there is a rider out there who is placing top 20 all the time but is held back by their frame sponsor or everyone cannot compete with teams with insane budgets. But in this league with everyone using the same frame and wheel size, they are the fastest.
I also think this would be a really cool idea to show the grass roots racers in a spotlight.
Would love to hear what others think of the idea. I dont know if others have talked about this but I like making discussions so I wanted to put it out there.
I don’t see a way you can have a “Spec Racing” series and only control the frame. Tires would need to be standardized as well brakes and suspension. Drivetrain should be standard as well.
Individual component tuning such as damper setup, and pad/rotor selection will be rider/team choice. Certain spec components may need to have some level of tamper protection.
Personal choice components should be limited to wheels, cockpit/touchpoints, and apparel/gear.
I’ve kicked this ball around in my head a few times before and the structure is easy, the funding is not, as you’d likely have to convince a few title sponsors to foot the whole bill with such a narrow advertising space defined by fixed manufacturer participation.
i think ideas like this are sweet and it's awesome to bring them up! who knows what could come of it.
we've talked about an IROC type series before (as in what i remember IROC being from the 80's and camaros...not sure if it still exists or is different) where everyone races the exact same car.
i've always thought a series with bike-and-build-specific races would be killer. every entrant has to race the same setup, choosing only products within the brand family (coil vs air, tread patterns etc). maybe it went all the way down to cockpit, maybe not.
example
round 1, everyone has to a race a trek/sram/rockshox/maxxis/
round 2 - specialized (frame and tires)/ohlins/DT/TRP/
round 3 - mondraker/fox/shimano/schwalbe
finals - riders choose from any of the previously used setups to race
the list could go on and obviously this would be a nightmare with sponsorship approval etc, but if loic participated, he could torpedo the results on a trek and win on a specialized to make specialized look good HA! if i was a billionaire, i'd fund this series paying 20 riders enough to make it worthwhile to participate in.
The adjustability of the norco or the infinite sizing of the atherton would play well into the 2026 iroc
Make it so vital!
Could be really cool to have a specific frame required for a race. Maybe a frame manufacturer could start a series of their own. Any parts supplier can put together a program but has to use production parts available for sale to the public which can be tuned or modified but only within a certain rule set. Then privateers can do the same to a degree.
Ultimately I think you’d have the same people at the top of the box if these rules were applied to the uci next year. But it could be particularly cool for a development series. Like if commencal held 4 races and supplied 20 frames to some up and coming frenchies and told them they just need to build it up and come race that would be pretty dang cool.
I just thought it would be entertaining as hell to see. Every bike has a different ride style behind it. Even every 4 bar bike or single pivot frame. But if everyone has the same frame and components, it would be very cool to watch the individual ride styles of each racer since everything else is controlled. One can dream. Monster, RedBull, make it happen pleeeeeaaaase
Let's get the continental series healthy and thriving before we divert attention away to some Busch league experiment 🤐
I've thought about this kind of thing a few times, might be tough to get top riders involved but at a local level could be fun to either -
- Use a total shitbox bike - some kind of ali express special so part of the challenge is to make it rideable and last several races or stages. Could be great fun to enter with your buddies
- A proper bike sponsored by a manufacturer/s but the series is intended for younger riders who may not have the money/access to a bike and entry fees. Kind of like W-series/F1 Academy where they would have a bike, entry and mechanic all given to them so they're on a level playing field. Winner gets some kind of scholarship or sponsorship afterwards
How about something F1 did to try and level the playing field, address excessive spending, excessive waste, marketing blah,blah, blah
Introduce a maximum amount of spares that can be used for a given item, for the entire year
you get 2 frames, 2 forks, 2 rear shocks (set number of rebuilds in a season) , 4 wheels, 4 sets of brakes (front or rear) 2 sets of drivetrain parts, etc. A season of attrition for components and frames.....You fuck up and break too many frames, penalty points, or all teams get an additional item of their choosing.....
I always thought a "spec car" for F1 qually would be a great idea. Make it a different manufacturer car for each race (like in Italy, youre qualifying the entire field in Ferrari 458's, or whatever the current Ferrari supercar is. In Germany, Everyone gets Audi S3's) that way the start grid is a mixed bag, and could make for interesting first 10 laps or so......
Let’s not turn dh into a season long enduro.
I think frame tyres and suspension would be enough to make it a "stock" series.
Brakes would be a hard one, as some riders are so picky and have so much experience on some brakes vs others, that it would inevitably disadvantage people swapping for incredibly touchy saints/maguras to the spongy feel of SRAM brakes for instance (not hating on SRAM here, just highlighting a point).
I agree with that.
Would be huge for frame manufacturer that won the chance to equip all them. Could put ex wc privateers on series with chance to win spots on wc teams. Lots of marketing and business opportunities with a new series. Also gaide a north america hardline, the series could run 6 dh courses in US and Canada over 4-5 months.
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There's probably zero chance this 'spec series' ever happens on Enduro/Downhill bikes, but I could definitely see it happening in the XC world. The Lycra Crab Cometh!
Run it in NZ in the off season, a hand full of races easy to get a bunch of people to, have a manufacturer throw a big cash prize and you would probably get more bang for your buck than running WC team.
Curious why you say a spec series could not be done with enduro and downhill? I could understand enduro a bit more. But downhill l feel would be doable.
In DH racing there are many different designs that can win races, and honestly with that much suspension travel, the frame can be designed to work better in certain areas that you feel is more beneficial to your overall speed through rough sections and jumps.
In XC racing all the designs are already converging much more because it's all about reducing frame weight. And XC races are won by maximizing pedaling efficiency, not by carrying more speed through the rough sections and jumps like in gravity racing.
So basically because in DH there are very different designs which have won races, and the manufacturers won't want to give up their uniqueness. While in XC racing there are already like 3 or 4 bikes from different manufactures with essentially the same design.
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