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Ryan Burney Added a reply to Can You Fine-Tune Frame Stiffness With Just Bolt-On Bridges?
3/15/2025 4:57am and great work on these bikes, Rob. It's fun to see you getting after it and making very modern mountain bikes on your own. And thank you for letting us learn from your latest rig. Can't wait for the initial learnings once ride season kicks off.
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Digit Bikes Liked a reply to forum topic Can You Fine-Tune Frame Stiffness With Just Bolt-On Bridges?
3/15/2025 4:55am Replying to @AvgMTBEnjoyer re: Would CNC lugs bonded to drawn tubes be the best compromise between the two? Typically no. Bonded overlap joints require a double thickness of material, so they're heavier than a welded joint. The edges of lap joints can suffer stress risers where the overall thickness transitions abruptly from one layer to two. Being thicker, the lug and lapped areas are typically much stiffer than the tube, that localized stiffening can increase the stress/strain on the tube spans. Also, CNC parts are typically structurally inferior to forged parts (including drawn tubes). Machining is most suitable when production...
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Digit Bikes Liked a reply to forum topic Can You Fine-Tune Frame Stiffness With Just Bolt-On Bridges?
3/15/2025 4:53am A while back I proposed some magazine editors do a test to compare an aluminum-frame-with-carbon-wheels vs a carbon-frame-with-aluminum-wheels. I think they made some progress but changed jobs before concluding/writing/publishing.
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Ryan Burney Added a reply to Can You Fine-Tune Frame Stiffness With Just Bolt-On Bridges?
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carlinojoevideo Liked a reply to forum topic Can You Fine-Tune Frame Stiffness With Just Bolt-On Bridges?
3/15/2025 4:53am Great work Ryan, Keep the good stuff coming! I’m all in for bracing coming on bikes, it would saving me from taking angle grinders and cutting my frames 😇. There’s no way the frame should be the same stiffness for a pro racer, 190lb novice and 140lb kid.
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Ryan Burney Added a reply to Can You Fine-Tune Frame Stiffness With Just Bolt-On Bridges?
3/15/2025 4:52am Great info! I think this is a good example of how preference can come into play. Some people will want it stiff and some will want it compliant. If you remember, please do give us an update.
noideamtber Liked a reply to forum topic Can You Fine-Tune Frame Stiffness With Just Bolt-On Bridges?
3/15/2025 4:50am I messed with seat stay stiffness on a merida one sixty Carbon Recently(it has bolt holes for a mud guard) A guy at work made me several different inserts from 6 series, 7 series and a steel one, all of different thickness. it 100% makes a difference in feel, For testing i ran a ARC30 rim laced to a Vault hub with Very high spoke tension that was destressed. I dont have the ability or time to Convert findings to actual technical wording but side loading from pushing into small features or on flat leaned over corners The rear of...
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Ryan Burney Added a reply to MTB Tech Rumors and Innovation
3/14/2025 12:37pm Took me long enough but here is a FEA of a tubed vs machined CS (take it all with a grain of salt as neither are optimized but its fun to see how the stress goes though the part). Scroll to the bottom: LINK HERE
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sspomer Liked a reply to forum topic MTB Tech Rumors and Innovation
3/14/2025 12:30pm another awesome frame stiffness topic with @Ryan Burney https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/can-you-fine-tune-frame-stiffness-j…
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Ryan Burney Added a reply to Can You Fine-Tune Frame Stiffness With Just Bolt-On Bridges?
3/14/2025 12:29pm Just like bridges were added and removed back then, here we are discussing it all over again! Haha
Ryan Burney Added a reply to Can You Fine-Tune Frame Stiffness With Just Bolt-On Bridges?
3/14/2025 12:28pm Thank you for the kind words! Rim width can have an effect on wheel flex! It's important to remember it's not the only factor that drives wheel stiffness, just like how carbon and aluminum frames can both be too stiff or too flexy, rims can be the same and it all depends on the rim design, wheel layout, and material...
JVP Liked a reply to forum topic Can You Fine-Tune Frame Stiffness With Just Bolt-On Bridges?
3/14/2025 12:23pm I've learned that I prefer a narrower rear rim than the standard 30mm. I started playing around with rim width after running 32mm internal rims that felt harsh and unforgiving. Depending on type of MTB somewhere between 25-28mm feels best at my 195-ish lbs, with the standard 30mm up front. My guess was always that my preference for narrower rear rim was because I like rounder tire profiles. After reading your excellent articles, I'm now thinking these narrower rear rims add beneficial lateral compliance for the tech riding I love and the tire profile wasn't the primary benefit. Good stuff...
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Ryan Burney Added a reply to Can You Fine-Tune Frame Stiffness With Just Bolt-On Bridges?
3/14/2025 12:23pm Great points! Tunable bridges is probably too complexity and not enough benefit for for most bikes and most bikers. For the premium production space it may be neat and we may see it but probably won't be as prevalent as flip chips. This is mostly a thought experiment and was fun to investigate. If you wanted to introduce compliance and...
Masjo Liked a reply to forum topic Can You Fine-Tune Frame Stiffness With Just Bolt-On Bridges?
3/14/2025 12:17pm I think stiffness-tuning makes sense on MTBs but I think for some companies it would come down to the question of what the purpose of these are. For an aluminum-only company like Commencal it makes sense: your competitors are essentially offering tuning via carbon models, and with removable bridges you can do that as easily (or easier) than the flip chips everyone is using. This would also work very well for small brands and custom builders as they get to offer more tuning/compatibility for the customer. For a larger company like Giant/Specialized/Trek, you are probably offering the aluminum model as...
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Ryan Burney Started a new thread Can You Fine-Tune Frame Stiffness With Just Bolt-On Bridges?
3/14/2025 9:26am We’ve reached a point where bike geometry is pretty dialed for most rider sizes. Reach and chainstay lengths adjust, and brands like Cannondale even implement size-specific kinematics. The next frontier in frame chassis design seems to be ensuring that both large and small riders experience the right frame compliance for their weight and, beyond that, that every rider has a...
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Primoz Liked a reply to forum topic MTB Tech Rumors and Innovation
2/21/2025 5:08am If you bend any part of the frame, are you sure nothing else got bent? Overstressed? How sure you are you can only replace one part and don't need to replace the whole frame?
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