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rhodefab Liked a reply to forum topic MTB Frame Compliance Analysis & Discussion

11/11/2024 1:55pm
That's a good point about short link 4 bar. Does adding the corresponding upper link (and it's additional bearings) help or hinder the desired compliance in flex or roll? To bring you back to Dak's bike
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Ryan Burney Added a reply to MTB Frame Compliance Analysis & Discussion

11/11/2024 1:34pm
Haha, fair! I think going to extremes in examples helps illustrate points, so you'll see me slipping into that mode a lot so my apologies in advance. Let's compare a single pivot to a short link 4 bar and just look at the chain stay and its stiffness: A typical single pivot has a set of main pivot bearings between...

rhodefab Liked a reply to forum topic MTB Frame Compliance Analysis & Discussion

11/11/2024 1:23pm
Let's not use a hardtail as an example, we're working with full suspension bikes 😉
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Ryan Burney Added a reply to MTB Frame Compliance Analysis & Discussion

11/11/2024 1:02pm
Good points! The more pivots/joints you add to a bike, the less stiff it becomes. For example, a hardtail will always be stiffer and lighter than a short link 4 bar bike. Adding pivots reduces structural efficiency, meaning you have to add more material (and weight) to maintain stiffness. More pivots = less stiffness and more weight. But suspension is...

rhodefab Liked a reply to forum topic MTB Frame Compliance Analysis & Discussion

11/11/2024 12:38pm
I think various links used to connect the rear axle to the main frame need to be accounted for. Horst links, short link 4 bar and direct single pivot designs all have different loadings at the joint. Is it common practice to consider them rigid but articulating joints?
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Ryan Burney Added a reply to MTB Frame Compliance Analysis & Discussion

11/12/2024 5:48pm
Great questions, Carlino! Luis is the man and a pleasure to work with, his kinematic knowledge is the best. Bikes like the Commencal and Ari, with removable seat stay bridges to tune stiffness, show where the industry could head. It’s a great way to dial in feel based on rider preference and terrain. Danny’s mods are an example of getting...

carlinojoevideo Liked a reply to forum topic MTB Frame Compliance Analysis & Discussion

11/11/2024 12:03pm
Hey Ryan, appreciate this Post! I had a chance to ride the new fury for a few days and I think you and Luis did a great job on the new version compared to the 2023 model. It’s interesting to hear your philosophy on stiffness and Compliance because I felt exactly what you mentioned above on the fury. In my opinion, I think the front end was a little too rigid for me, at my speed and riding level. The rear end to me was much more to my liking of how I like a bike to ride and feel...
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pedalpedalpedal Liked a reply to forum topic MTB Frame Compliance Analysis & Discussion

11/11/2024 11:01am
Mmm, al dente tubes for crab links
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Ryan Burney Started a new thread MTB Frame Compliance Analysis & Discussion

11/11/2024 9:29am
Hey, I’m Ryan Burney. I’ve spent eight years as an engineer for full-suspension bikes, working on some fun projects, like developing the flex Horst link for the Cannondale Scalpel and being lead engineer for the latest GT Fury downhill bike. With over a decade of downhill racing under my belt (even made it to one World Cup—though I didn’t qualify...
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sspomer Liked a reply to forum topic MTB Tech Rumors and Innovation

11/6/2024 6:16pm
the only brand engineer to make a finals at the world cup - According to Kirk, Episode 2 from Norco (Kirk McDowall)
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