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Definitely an improvement but still not quite there. Not sure if hitting that top step really requires a dash of luck on top of good strategy and economic picks. I know my junior men strategy fell apart because Bode and some other kids crushed it. Good for them.

Also best possible score ALMOST broke 2k this round. Not sure if that's the highest ever, but given how well 'smaller' names performed, this was a great round to extract max value. Picking 19 riders with a larger spread over all categories def helped.

Best possible score picked TWENTY SIX individuals. And first place chose 23 riders. I'm sure its not mandatory but its clear having under 20 riders is a disservice to your fantasy. DIVERSIFY. YO BONDZ. Second and third place had 24. (Easier said than done though, I had to really re-shuffle things multiple times to get to 19. Really gotta understand low pick values to pick over 20 GOOD picks.)

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Moved up a couple hundred spots but continue to be bad luck for riders. Went for volume with 21 riders. 1 didn’t make to the start line, a couple DSQ, a couple should have been DSQ’d and 6 or 7 more hit the deck.

@sspomer  haven’t bothered to add it up but the Alran brothers are showing as not getting points on peoples teams.

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LePigPen wrote:
Definitely an improvement but still not quite there. Not sure if hitting that top step really requires a dash of luck on top of good strategy...

Definitely an improvement but still not quite there. Not sure if hitting that top step really requires a dash of luck on top of good strategy and economic picks. I know my junior men strategy fell apart because Bode and some other kids crushed it. Good for them.

Also best possible score ALMOST broke 2k this round. Not sure if that's the highest ever, but given how well 'smaller' names performed, this was a great round to extract max value. Picking 19 riders with a larger spread over all categories def helped.

Best possible score picked TWENTY SIX individuals. And first place chose 23 riders. I'm sure its not mandatory but its clear having under 20 riders is a disservice to your fantasy. DIVERSIFY. YO BONDZ. Second and third place had 24. (Easier said than done though, I had to really re-shuffle things multiple times to get to 19. Really gotta understand low pick values to pick over 20 GOOD picks.)

To be fair, I honestly think its just a little bit of luck, like I came 4th this round with only 19 riders. But I think focusing too heavily on Juniors will hurt your teams, just because there points system is a lot lower than elite- for example 250 points for elite win, whereas only 60 points for a Junior win ( So try and focus on elite riders and just have 2 juniors as the requirement 😉). I still don't think that's the "secret sauce" as such, but that plus a bit of luck definitely helps.

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Moved up a couple hundred spots but continue to be bad luck for riders. Went for volume with 21 riders. 1 didn’t make to the start...

Moved up a couple hundred spots but continue to be bad luck for riders. Went for volume with 21 riders. 1 didn’t make to the start line, a couple DSQ, a couple should have been DSQ’d and 6 or 7 more hit the deck.

@sspomer  haven’t bothered to add it up but the Alran brothers are showing as not getting points on peoples teams.

@BGoldstone  do you have an example of alran no-scores (link to player team or screenshot)? the few i found and looked at seemed to be showing points (40 and 45) on the teams.

also, to winners from poland and this week, i'll get prize email communications handled tomorrow. thanks for the patience w/ poland responses.

such a sick race and so rad when so many "cheap" riders make the show. i had 20 riders with my heavy picks not coming through.

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@BGoldstone  do you have an example of alran no-scores (link to player team or screenshot)? the few i found and looked at seemed to be showing...

@BGoldstone  do you have an example of alran no-scores (link to player team or screenshot)? the few i found and looked at seemed to be showing points (40 and 45) on the teams.

also, to winners from poland and this week, i'll get prize email communications handled tomorrow. thanks for the patience w/ poland responses.

such a sick race and so rad when so many "cheap" riders make the show. i had 20 riders with my heavy picks not coming through.

It’s there now

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hmm yeah theres def gonna be multiple ways to do it, like i think the best possible score defaults to as many picks as possible even if they could have gotten same or similar scores with less riders. obviously this system doesnt have any sort of bonus for picking less riders or having leftover cash.

But i think it's less about outright points per pay, but more about... utilizing every category effectively. in a way. cuz regardless of who wins out. there are only so many top spots to deliver good points. like if you picked 1 for juniors and women, and the rest elite men. even if you get great picks. eventually down the rankings you're probly getting less point per pay unless it was somehow filled with really cheap riders, which i don't quite see as the case. I feel like the lower finishers are often ~mid range riders that therefore dont shake out for great point per pay.

what i typically see in the winners teams and bets possible generated is a few top finishers, regardless of price. and then random surprising picks of lower end riders finishing high, which is def the narrative of this round. best possible almost hitting 2k means there was a TON of room to play this round.

or im totally wrong lol. again i need to actually look up the points pay out again and properly match it up against rider cost. but id say not knowin the future, and accounting for riders crashing out (inevitable)... the play is picking more riders within more categories. spread the RISK, basically. placing that high with sub-20 team is pretty gangster tho. its def cooler than placing that high by using more riders. sniper pixxx

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BGoldstone wrote:
Moved up a couple hundred spots but continue to be bad luck for riders. Went for volume with 21 riders. 1 didn’t make to the start...

Moved up a couple hundred spots but continue to be bad luck for riders. Went for volume with 21 riders. 1 didn’t make to the start line, a couple DSQ, a couple should have been DSQ’d and 6 or 7 more hit the deck.

@sspomer  haven’t bothered to add it up but the Alran brothers are showing as not getting points on peoples teams.

sspomer wrote:
@BGoldstone  do you have an example of alran no-scores (link to player team or screenshot)? the few i found and looked at seemed to be showing...

@BGoldstone  do you have an example of alran no-scores (link to player team or screenshot)? the few i found and looked at seemed to be showing points (40 and 45) on the teams.

also, to winners from poland and this week, i'll get prize email communications handled tomorrow. thanks for the patience w/ poland responses.

such a sick race and so rad when so many "cheap" riders make the show. i had 20 riders with my heavy picks not coming through.

It looks like the total points are probably correct but in the rider list the Alran brothers are still not showing individual points. 
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hmm yeah theres def gonna be multiple ways to do it, like i think the best possible score defaults to as many picks as possible even...

hmm yeah theres def gonna be multiple ways to do it, like i think the best possible score defaults to as many picks as possible even if they could have gotten same or similar scores with less riders. obviously this system doesnt have any sort of bonus for picking less riders or having leftover cash.

But i think it's less about outright points per pay, but more about... utilizing every category effectively. in a way. cuz regardless of who wins out. there are only so many top spots to deliver good points. like if you picked 1 for juniors and women, and the rest elite men. even if you get great picks. eventually down the rankings you're probly getting less point per pay unless it was somehow filled with really cheap riders, which i don't quite see as the case. I feel like the lower finishers are often ~mid range riders that therefore dont shake out for great point per pay.

what i typically see in the winners teams and bets possible generated is a few top finishers, regardless of price. and then random surprising picks of lower end riders finishing high, which is def the narrative of this round. best possible almost hitting 2k means there was a TON of room to play this round.

or im totally wrong lol. again i need to actually look up the points pay out again and properly match it up against rider cost. but id say not knowin the future, and accounting for riders crashing out (inevitable)... the play is picking more riders within more categories. spread the RISK, basically. placing that high with sub-20 team is pretty gangster tho. its def cooler than placing that high by using more riders. sniper pixxx

Agreed, heaps of ways to do it, just gotta find a system which works for you, even with all the maths, stats and studying of riders- still gotta have a bit of luck too. Because a fair few riders were going down in the dust- with the likes of Pene, Meier-Smith, Hatton, Coulanges, Iles and Bruni- All who could've placed heaps higher. Also the Thomas Estaque DSQ sucked too, only left me with 18 scoring riders 😐. SO fingers crossed later in the year when/if the field steadies out people will be able to get closer and hopefully hit the max!

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I truly thought Myriam had that course on lock. And obviously, in a way, she did. And that's a fairly pricey pick to have go down and not bring in points. Luckily I did still have the winner and what a points payout she was. Legend! The Canada 1-1 is more rewarding to me than any fantasy points pay out. So sick. (I don't think I had Jacko due to price/performance so far this season.)

I don't have mt last years 'data' but I think this may be my best ranking so far. I'm not sure I even cracked top 100 last year cuz I had awful strategies. And tons of experimentation.

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she was on! Crowd would've gone wild for a frenchy win. I had one look of Jacko's gopro course preview, I immediately knew he was gonna be fast, definitely worth the money, but was praying he didn't wash out. Im just bummed that i forgot to start my fantasy team in round 1, so could've possibly been quite high up the leaderboard 😥

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The sad thing is now his value is gonna go up so, might not be the best pick going forward even for top 3s or 5s. We'll see.

I was fully expecting to pick him more with the lowerish placing from sitting out I guess.

Just surprised a fast dry race like this worked out for so many lower ranked riders. Think some people had the ol BMX background or dual slalom experience or whatever to blitz this course. The corners Jacko put in for his final are... Possibly the best corners ever railed on a MTB. He squeezed every ounce out of those berms.

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she was on! Crowd would've gone wild for a frenchy win. I had one look of Jacko's gopro course preview, I immediately knew he was gonna...

she was on! Crowd would've gone wild for a frenchy win. I had one look of Jacko's gopro course preview, I immediately knew he was gonna be fast, definitely worth the money, but was praying he didn't wash out. Im just bummed that i forgot to start my fantasy team in round 1, so could've possibly been quite high up the leaderboard 😥

Don't worry, it's a long season and anyone can catch back up with some good picks. I was top 20 in the first week and blew it on this week, 7 riders didn't score any points. I can't blame not having WynTV this week, but it sure does bring in another angle to see how riders are coping with the track.
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Sorry if this has been asked before, what is the trophy next to people’s name?

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Is there still prizes for round top 3 or 5?

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Sorry if this has been asked before, what is the trophy next to people’s name?

I'm going with it being a "participant trophy"
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I'm going with it being a "participant trophy"

Has to be.  My results are shit.

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Is there still prizes for round top 3 or 5?

Top 5 prizes awarded. All Top 5 players from rounds 1 and 2 have been emailed. Bring on leogang! (game will start tomorrow)

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I'm going with it being a "participant trophy"

Has to be.  My results are shit.

haha, on moblie, if you've played and have a result, you see a trophy near a user profile. on desktop site you see the actual rank, too.

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Will the pro contests come back for future rounds or all they all done?

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Will the pro contests come back for future rounds or all they all done?

pro is done. we experimented with it on MX and MTB and the interest just isn't there.

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6/5/2025 8:52am

Can someone please remind me how Juniors qualifying works? Also why is it so hard to find this information online lol

When I googled, it said 60 junior men and 20 junior women qualify? And they don't have Q2's

6/5/2025 9:16am
Can someone please remind me how Juniors qualifying works? Also why is it so hard to find this information online lolWhen I googled, it said 60...

Can someone please remind me how Juniors qualifying works? Also why is it so hard to find this information online lol

When I googled, it said 60 junior men and 20 junior women qualify? And they don't have Q2's

One qualifying round. 20 junior men and  10 junior women go through.

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Can someone please remind me how Juniors qualifying works? Also why is it so hard to find this information online lolWhen I googled, it said 60...

Can someone please remind me how Juniors qualifying works? Also why is it so hard to find this information online lol

When I googled, it said 60 junior men and 20 junior women qualify? And they don't have Q2's

Top 20 jr mem, top 10 jr women from qualifying. They don’t have a Q2

The rule book is the best place to find the info https://assets.ctfassets.net/761l7gh5x5an/6qYIYIddcAPjN248n7tVDI/3a4ef7…

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i need to make a sorta crypto bro meme stock spin off advertisement on how to 'diversify yo bondz' in vital fantasy to achieve max returns... Boost Bro to the moon!? 

there Spomer... lil entertainment for you while we wait for qualifying tomorrow...

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Playing the weather game doesn’t work when the forecasted rains don’t come

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Well I'm glad the silly amount of time I put into changing it paid off I guess. I guess the funny thing is I watched the race and thought I'd fully blown it. So there's a disconnect between... What I think earns points and what actually earns points. Although I did intentionally try to replicate the 'spread' the winning teams often have. There's a slight pattern there. Just as far as points per category goes, basically.

I reckon the same strategy, but somehow pushing a couple extra riders is kinda the ticket. Outside of just luck. Def feel like I put myself in a 'winning position' and then from there its just roll the dice.

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Pretty stoked on how my team did. 64th overall in this round. I was on the fence between Jackson and Finn and picked Finn, should have picked Jacko.

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I just never have the budget for a Jack pick, knowing that if he doesn't actually win, like even a second might be a bust for the overall cost. Compared to other options. Of course it looks like he's not willing to go second or lower this year so we'll see...

The best possible team did NOT pick Jackson. It picked all 3 other winners. I'm not sure if there's another way to build a team for the same points but... It just mathematically doesn't pay out plus the risk you take on that one pick is a lot. Nor did the round winner user pick Jax.

Although of course the best team this round only used 17 riders which kinda flies in the face of my meme video I made above... But that's kinda how this round was. A lot of riders finished more or less 'where they were expected'. And there were less opportunities to squeeze juice out of those like mid range riders finishing high up. Shout out to Kiefer saving my fantasy lol

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"sspomer wrote:

If you have any questions or thoughts about Vital Downhill Fantasy, let us know here."
Howdy sspomer & Vital Fantasy Team,
Would it be possible to open team selection for the next World Cup as soon as the previous round finishes, or make the default keeping your current rider selections from round to round? 
I ask because I missed the narrow window to pick new riders before the last round, and wound up w/ your system auto-selecting for me and achieving less than half the points I normally do.
PB’s fantasy game provides both of these convenient options, with the system only replacing one rider at a time, should a team wind up over budget for the next round. Life gets busy sometimes, and it would be nice to not have to worry about an “all or nothing” window of 24-48hrs to re-select a team every week.

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"sspomer wrote:If you have any questions or thoughts about Vital Downhill Fantasy, let us know here."Howdy sspomer & Vital Fantasy Team,Would it be possible to open...
"sspomer wrote:

If you have any questions or thoughts about Vital Downhill Fantasy, let us know here."
Howdy sspomer & Vital Fantasy Team,
Would it be possible to open team selection for the next World Cup as soon as the previous round finishes, or make the default keeping your current rider selections from round to round? 
I ask because I missed the narrow window to pick new riders before the last round, and wound up w/ your system auto-selecting for me and achieving less than half the points I normally do.
PB’s fantasy game provides both of these convenient options, with the system only replacing one rider at a time, should a team wind up over budget for the next round. Life gets busy sometimes, and it would be nice to not have to worry about an “all or nothing” window of 24-48hrs to re-select a team every week.

sorry, but we only use riders on the qualifying start list, not the 'entry' list. the qualifying start list comes out later than the entry list (but the entry list is not accurate w/ who's actually racing).

every round this year (and last) the window to pick riders is around 55 hours.

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