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1/15/2011 2:27 PM
Edited Date/Time: 1/15/2011 2:32 PM

I want to start a photography discussion for seasoned photographers and aspiring photographers alike.

Have a photography question you need answered? Ask away!

Want comments and critiques on you work? Post it up, But lets only post 1 photo at a time boys and girls.

Want to rant about how much you hate it when your pocket wizards just quit? let us have it!

There are some amazing photographers on vital like Sven, Spomer and JB. Maybe we can drag them into this conversation

Anything photography goes!

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JP
jdpeters.com

1/16/2011 12:18 PM
Edited Date/Time: 1/16/2011 12:19 PM

great idea JP. i'll be in here for sure and i'm sure we can get sven, brantley, flipper and others to chime in too.

my first piece of advice...when you start, don't worry about how cool/hip/expensive your equipment is...just go shoot with what you have and can afford. any gear can make great photos because not matter what, it takes practice and experience.

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1/16/2011 1:04 PM

Great idea,
So which is best Nikon or Canon?

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Chris Roberts - international race organiser. British 4x, European 4x.
Member of Fourcross Alliance & Imtto. www.twitter.com/nakedracing or www.nakedracing.com

1/16/2011 1:19 PM

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1/16/2011 1:46 PM

Nakedracing wrote:

Great idea,
So which is best Nikon or Canon?

This is like asking which it's better among a V10, M9, TR450, Session88, etc.
Think it's a matter of personal choice.

I've started with Canon for no special reason. Maybe cause all good photographers in Brasil (where I live) used one.
But I do think that Canon brings inovation before the others (DSLR with Full HD Digital camera for example).
And now I'm aiming a Canon 7D. That will give me the focus per area, feature that would be more than useful based on my style.

By the way you can check some of my photos (I use a Canon XSi) in this race report at DHBrasil.com.br

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1/16/2011 2:39 PM

Ive been on Nikon all my photo career, although necessarily not by choice my dad is a Nikon Professional Photographer so to switch to Canon with so much extra Nikon resource would seem stupid. I think the new big thing in deciding what DSLR manufacturer is better has come down to the video capabilities. Lets be honest you can buy an evenly capable camera for near the same price from Nikon or Canon but with the video capabilities unfortunately being one of the major differences between the 2 companies. Canon and the 7D with the manual exposure and higher quality then a Nikon DSLR's video capabilities shows that Canon could take an edge. Although I am bringing up a video aspect to it and we are here for photography so my point may not be the most valued it is something to be considered with photogs like JB who are bringing out dialed edits along with some sick photos to go with. It seems like something more in the market to be able to produce both video and photo...

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1/16/2011 6:22 PM

i just got a Nikon d3100 with a 18-55 and 55-200 lenses, i intend to do both photography and film making, and tips rigs or equipment or anything else do u guys recommend?

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1/16/2011 8:02 PM

Who are you guys using to edit your images? What production houses or are you all doing the post work yourselves?

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downhillnews

1/16/2011 8:18 PM

kickasssloth wrote:

i just got a Nikon d3100 with a 18-55 and 55-200 lenses, i intend to do both photography and film making, and tips rigs or equipment or anything else do u guys recommend?

For video, make sure to get a really SMOOTH tripod head. Nobody likes jerky movements in videos. If you can, get a fluid head.

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1/16/2011 8:59 PM

I have a canon 7D with a nikon wide angle lens. When I am filming with it (in manual mode), some of the shots are a bit grainy in spots. Anyone know of this issue? Is it just my screen or a lens issue or a camera setting...?

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1/16/2011 9:39 PM

Marshall wrote:

I have a canon 7D with a nikon wide angle lens. When I am filming with it (in manual mode), some of the shots are a bit grainy in spots. Anyone know of this issue? Is it just my screen or a lens issue or a camera setting...?

There could be a few causes for this, but the first one that comes to mind is ISO. The Higher the ISO the more noise (digital grain) you will have.

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JP
jdpeters.com

1/16/2011 10:00 PM
Edited Date/Time: 1/16/2011 10:01 PM

Another general tip for shooting Mountain Biking or anything else is pay close attention to your angles. Try to find angles that you would not see if you were just walking by.

Get your camera high or low. step back from the action and show the surroundings or get really tight.

I think the most memorable race shot I've seen belongs to Sven of Brendon scrubbing, but he shot it from above and thats one of the keys that makes that shot for me.
http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/5690241/

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JP
jdpeters.com

1/16/2011 10:07 PM

Hey Jason you forgot about me in your amazing photographers on vital list. tongue

All but one of my photographer friends shoot with Canon. And that'd be Josh/coralcorn. Why would I buy a Nikon when I have potential (some minor convincing may be required, hahaha) access to tons of Canon glass and Canon gear? Doesn't make any sense. But the day I buy a DSLR will probably be the day the earth freezes over.


Out of curiosity, do any of you still shoot film? I know Jason does.

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1/16/2011 10:29 PM

the history of canon v nikon is a long one ... but before anyone should even go there you should think how / what / why you will be taking photos. that should influence your decision more than brand lust.
will you be riding with mates and whip out a camera?
will you be setting shots up?
are they for your own/mates enjoyment?
do you aim to sell images?

remember a DSLR is big, clumsy and you need to faf with lenses a lot of the time. what happens when people buy these is they use them for a while but eventually give up on them as they are too much hassle. so get an S95 instead. or just use your iPhone camera ...

but if you've made all those decisions and are set on a dslr - remember that all the greatest gear in the world is no replacement for hard work, practice, research and pure dumb luck.

also, remember you'll need to edit images/video so you'll need good computer & software and a calibrated monitor to get the best out of your images.

anything else just shout
g

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1/17/2011 2:29 AM

Lets also just get through the fact that most DSLR bodies are capable of getting the shot, the biggest thing in photography is how good a lens you got! Not to say a body isnt important but the lens will make a much bigger difference...

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1/17/2011 3:38 AM

jpeters wrote:

Another general tip for shooting Mountain Biking or anything else is pay close attention to your angles. Try to find angles that you would not see if you were just walking by.

Get your camera high or low. step back from the action and show the surroundings or get really tight.

I think the most memorable race shot I've seen belongs to Sven of Brendon scrubbing, but he shot it from above and thats one of the keys that makes that shot for me.
http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/5690241/

Thats in fact Hill

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1/17/2011 7:30 AM

Marshall wrote:

I have a canon 7D with a nikon wide angle lens. When I am filming with it (in manual mode), some of the shots are a bit grainy in spots. Anyone know of this issue? Is it just my screen or a lens issue or a camera setting...?

jpeters wrote:

There could be a few causes for this, but the first one that comes to mind is ISO. The Higher the ISO the more noise (digital grain) you will have.

Ok thanks for the help!

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1/17/2011 7:31 AM

What about HD Camcorders? In addition to being able to take it on vacations, what is good for capturing fast bits of action on the bike?

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1/17/2011 8:02 AM

here are my personal thoughts on gear/lenses.

new vs used:
i have never purchased a brand new lens and out of the 6 camera bodies i've owned, the only new body i purchased was a 7d last winter. everything else was used. i purchase equipment that i can afford at the time and that will get my ideas created. i use ebay or keh.com usually.

70-200 f4
for my entire photo career, my telephoto zoom lens has been a used a canon 70-200 f4L lens...aka the small one. i got it for $470. it was all i could afford when i started building my quiver and i've never needed or wanted to upgrade to the 2.8. why? because it's light, small, fast and does what i need it to do.
i don't really make my living off of photography anymore, but i was able to stay afloat with this lens (and others), even though it wasn't the biggest/most expensive. does that mean you shouldn't get a 2.8? not necessarily, but you don't HAVE to have the most expensive gear to get the job done. do you research, decide what kind of lens you need (wide/long/zoom) and buy what you can afford to get your photography off the ground.

like gary said, practice and experience pay off. take your time and enjoy the ride. and like JP said, take time to look for a unique perspective. often times the most memorable photographs are the simplest and cleanest shots.

@ianjenn
i do all my own processing work using canon's raw converter and photoshop CS (just plain old CS). i have my workflow down and don't need to get any more complicated, so it still works for me. i think sven and gary use photomechanic to help archive/batch their huge amounts of photos, then use photoshop for tuning of colors/contrast on their selections. they can answer specifically though.

(stoked on this thread!)

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1/17/2011 8:31 AM
Edited Date/Time: 1/17/2011 8:46 AM

Pete wrote:

Hey Jason you forgot about me in your amazing photographers on vital list. tongue

All but one of my photographer friends shoot with Canon. And that'd be Josh/coralcorn. Why would I buy a Nikon when I have potential (some minor convincing may be required, hahaha) access to tons of Canon glass and Canon gear? Doesn't make any sense. But the day I buy a DSLR will probably be the day the earth freezes over.


Out of curiosity, do any of you still shoot film? I know Jason does.

I sold the 645D about 4 months ago. I have two film 35mm but only use em for B/W images. I wish I still had the Mamiya actually but the new Pentax 645D would make way more sense it just costs 9X the amount. My next catalog shoot may help purchase that! "fingers crossed".....

So action stuff just the 1D's or the wifes 40D no film. I really need to start learning Maya. Just looking at Taylor James work saddens me.

http://www.taylorjames.com/

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downhillnews

1/17/2011 8:37 AM

ianjenn, do you do your own B/W processing? that's something i never learned to do and always wish i had.

in 2002-2003 when i shot film, i ended up getting a job at a photolab just so i wouldn't have to pay for processing and could learn how that all worked. the pay sucked, but it was so worth it when slides came back and i didn't have pay for scans : ) i would have spent thousands of dollars on scans alone, LOL.

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1/17/2011 8:50 AM

sspomer wrote:

ianjenn, do you do your own B/W processing? that's something i never learned to do and always wish i had.

in 2002-2003 when i shot film, i ended up getting a job at a photolab just so i wouldn't have to pay for processing and could learn how that all worked. the pay sucked, but it was so worth it when slides came back and i didn't have pay for scans : ) i would have spent thousands of dollars on scans alone, LOL.

No I just use various version of BW films and send it off to get developed scanned for me. Scanning the MF at highest resolution was crazy expensive the place in LA with large drum scanners was charging out the wazoo. The Nikon Coolscan 9000 is supposed to be good but it is $2100....
http://store.uniquephoto.com/e/index.php/nikon-super-coolscan-9000-ed-9237.html?zmae=froogle&zmam=86451217&zmas=29&zmac=65&zmap=NKD9237

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downhillnews

1/17/2011 9:08 AM

SylentK wrote:

What about HD Camcorders? In addition to being able to take it on vacations, what is good for capturing fast bits of action on the bike?

most camcorders you're looking at (compact, less than $1000, i'm guessing) will be diverse enough to capture the action you want, as well as be portable/easy to use. if you have a specific price range in mind, that will help with recommendations.

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1/17/2011 9:23 AM

sspomer wrote:

ianjenn, do you do your own B/W processing? that's something i never learned to do and always wish i had.

in 2002-2003 when i shot film, i ended up getting a job at a photolab just so i wouldn't have to pay for processing and could learn how that all worked. the pay sucked, but it was so worth it when slides came back and i didn't have pay for scans : ) i would have spent thousands of dollars on scans alone, LOL.

I started shooting in the digital age (2004) but for the first two years I was shooting B&W 35mm 120mm and 4x5 film. My high school had a dark room so it made shooting film possible. Now I have tuns of negatives that I would love to scan, but HOLY CRAP its expensive. So until I can afford to by my self a decent scanner, I will just have binders and binders of negatives!

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JP
jdpeters.com

1/17/2011 9:25 AM

ianjenn wrote:

Who are you guys using to edit your images? What production houses or are you all doing the post work yourselves?

Ianjenn- I use lightroom for importing and for light adjustments. and Photoshop for brush tools and what not. And for video I use Final Cut Express. Personally if you are doing basic edits than almost anything will work. I use FC because my friend upgraded to FCP and gave me his express disk. Other than that I would probably be using premier.


JP- Nice post. I will be visiting here frequently.

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1/17/2011 9:40 AM

Nakedracing wrote:

Great idea,
So which is best Nikon or Canon?

Last year I was able to attend a work shop called sportsshooters academy. The guys who run it are the best in the industry for team sports ( They shoot for ESPN, Sports Illustrated, USA Today stuff like that). One of the perks of attending the academy is Nikon brings cases and cases of gears for us to use. They brought out 10 D3s, 5 or so 300 f2.8 and 400's (that is not even close to half of what they brought). I am a Canon shooter but of course I am going to use the really nice stuff. After a few days of using the equipment I got a feel of Nikon camera's. And in the end Nikon and Canon make Great stuff. And what people above have said is that it boils down to personal preference. Nikon and Canon just go back in forth. Currently I think Nikon is a head with the pro body since it is full frame and fast has heck and Canon is a head in HD video with in their camer's . Don't let anyone tell you Canon is better than Nikon or vice versa.

I do love my Canon and that is what I grew up with. Use what you know. I hope that all made sense.

Cheers

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1/17/2011 10:01 AM

Yeah I have CS2 at home and Cs3 at work also. The work computers are good so I typically edit on them I have not used Lightroom at all. Say I shoot 100 images I typically find 10-15 that I will edit. The others eh.... just sit in the folder till I delete em.

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downhillnews

1/17/2011 10:02 AM
Edited Date/Time: 1/17/2011 10:03 AM

sspomer wrote:

here are my personal thoughts on gear/lenses.

new vs used:
i have never purchased a brand new lens and out of the 6 camera bodies i've owned, the only new body i purchased was a 7d last winter. everything else was used. i purchase equipment that i can afford at the time and that will get my ideas created. i use ebay or keh.com usually.

70-200 f4
for my entire photo career, my telephoto zoom lens has been a used a canon 70-200 f4L lens...aka the small one. i got it for $470. it was all i could afford when i started building my quiver and i've never needed or wanted to upgrade to the 2.8. why? because it's light, small, fast and does what i need it to do.
i don't really make my living off of photography anymore, but i was able to stay afloat with this lens (and others), even though it wasn't the biggest/most expensive. does that mean you shouldn't get a 2.8? not necessarily, but you don't HAVE to have the most expensive gear to get the job done. do you research, decide what kind of lens you need (wide/long/zoom) and buy what you can afford to get your photography off the ground.

like gary said, practice and experience pay off. take your time and enjoy the ride. and like JP said, take time to look for a unique perspective. often times the most memorable photographs are the simplest and cleanest shots.

@ianjenn
i do all my own processing work using canon's raw converter and photoshop CS (just plain old CS). i have my workflow down and don't need to get any more complicated, so it still works for me. i think sven and gary use photomechanic to help archive/batch their huge amounts of photos, then use photoshop for tuning of colors/contrast on their selections. they can answer specifically though.

(stoked on this thread!)

@ expanding on gears/ lens and everything haha

You learn to use what you have. Don't let the guy next to you with a super nice body and nice lens intimidate you. My first camera I owned was a Rebel XTI ( I have only own two camer's). I loved that camera. They are shots in my portfolio that are taken with the Rebel XTI. I use to sit in my room and play with my camera for hours to see what every function did. I am not good with reading manuals and learning the technological side of things. I like to just sit down and play.

Since I am a broke college kid I took a LONG...... extended loan from my family and bout two nice lens (70-200 2.8 and 17-40 f4). If you can't afford that then go one step lower. There is nothing wrong with that. The 70-200 F4 is a great lens. Work with in your means. You can still produce great images with lower camera's. Camera technology is advancing so fast that the basic DSLR is a good camera.


(I have slowly upgraded in the past year 4 years. I still use my 70-200 2.8 and 17-40 F4 and I have up graded to a 5D mark II. Instead of saving for nice things I use all my money to travel.)

Its not the camera its you. You are the one who frames it up, sets your setting and pulls the trigger to capture the image. Experiment with your friends and family. Try anything and everything. Lay on the ground, get on a ladder, strap your camera to a poll and stick it in the air just think out of the box. And what the guys have said is very true.

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1/17/2011 10:05 AM

ianjenn wrote:

Yeah I have CS2 at home and Cs3 at work also. The work computers are good so I typically edit on them I have not used Lightroom at all. Say I shoot 100 images I typically find 10-15 that I will edit. The others eh.... just sit in the folder till I delete em.

Haha take advantage to what you have.

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1/17/2011 10:10 AM

My thoughts on the Canon/Nikon debate...

Get what the majority of your "photo network" is shooting with. If most people at events you shoot at are on Canon then go Canon. If you break something, or need to borrow something it makes life easier.

Spomer had some great tip's up top!

I'd add these:
I shoot a ton (not spray and pray, but I always have a camera with me.)
When I shoot crap I don't worry about it. I move around and fiddle until I start liking what I'm getting.
The wider my frame the more I pay close attention to my background.
Sometimes I'll put the camera down, walk around and observe what's going on. This is when you might see something different.
When at an event I stay away from the "popular photo areas." If I see a ton of photogs at one spot I usually run the other way.

Programs...
Lightroom for Catalog and most processing
Photoshop for work that requires layers
Premiere Pro and After Effects for Video editing

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