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synBike Liked a reply to forum topic Head tube dimensions - Downhill, Enduro, Etc.
4/29/2024 11:55pm Moving the BB forward in geometry terms is just lengthening the chainstay and shortening the reach. This does not require any eccentric BB options. Mechanically there might be reasons for tube butts you might want but the geo can be independent of this. Within the range of adjustment possible you are better off with an axle flip chip and a reach adjust headset to play around with Front/Rear centre proportion (which is what sliding the BB forward or aft would do). From an opinionated perspective I probably would not even bother with a reach adjust headset. People spend a lot...
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mx31 Added a reply to Head tube dimensions - Downhill, Enduro, Etc.
4/29/2024 10:00pm That's my plan for the larger diameter on at least my first frame. I want to try moving the bottom bracket forward relative to what the MTB industry trends seem to be. To facilitate that I've considered an eccentric in the bottom bracket, or a removable bottom bracket. Later, I can save weight and complexity by eliminating all the adjustability...
carlinojoevideo Liked a reply to forum topic Head tube dimensions - Downhill, Enduro, Etc.
4/29/2024 9:38pm Most DH bikes I’ve tested are 110-120mm head tube length. If you can fit a straight tube 56mm head tube, you have tons of room for reach and angle adjust headsets.
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mx31 Added a reply to Head tube dimensions - Downhill, Enduro, Etc.
4/29/2024 9:38pm I realize all the constraints and have narrowed down the dimensions to a range I want to land within. Nothing is backward. This question is my attempt to avoid building a bike that suffers from potential blind spots I might have for industry standards or common practices. I don't want to build something that doesn't accept common parts; that would...
Jonathon Simonetti Liked a reply to forum topic Head tube dimensions - Downhill, Enduro, Etc.
4/29/2024 6:35pm That sounds sick! If you can get the stack dimension close to where you want it, going slightly shorter on the headtube can be pretty helpful for a dual crown fork by allowing a wider range of adjustment. My size R3 (XL) Trek Session has a 117mm headtube length, the same 9mm upper / 1mm of lower headset stack, and 634mm on the geometry chart which is shared acoss all sizes. While the stock configuration felt super low to me, that could be somewhere around what you're looking for. I played with bar height a lot to get things dialed...
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Jonathon Simonetti Liked a reply to forum topic Head tube dimensions - Downhill, Enduro, Etc.
4/29/2024 5:14pm Came here to say the same thing about 130mm+ being a great number to see when looking at a size XL geo chart. Also seems to eliminate a bit of flex from the steertube with less spacers under the stem.
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TEAMROBOT Liked a reply to forum topic Head tube dimensions - Downhill, Enduro, Etc.
4/29/2024 5:14pm As a tall person, the one headtube standard is for them to be too short. I've never needed less than a 135mm headtube, and even with that I'm often running a healthy dose of spacers under my stem. And if I haven't convinced you yet, taller headtubes tend to be safer because there's more distance between the top and bottom welds on the headtube, meaning less leverage acting on them. You're more likely to see a short headtube ripped off.
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mx31 Added a reply to Head tube dimensions - Downhill, Enduro, Etc.
4/29/2024 5:13pm I'm about 5'9", so the tall rider concerns don't apply to me personally. The structural concerns at the welded interface are foremost on my mind for safety, especially in a frame I'll fabricate in my own shop. It's not the only constraint, though. I do want to be within the useful range of available forks and accessories, so I decided...
mx31 Added a reply to Head tube dimensions - Downhill, Enduro, Etc.
4/29/2024 1:30pm My current bike has the straight 1.5" steerer setup with a 120mm head tube length and external Cane Creek headset which measures 150mm top to bottom when installed.
dolface Liked a reply to forum topic Head tube dimensions - Downhill, Enduro, Etc.
4/29/2024 1:25pm Maybe take a look at what PMW makes? They're a pretty popular supplier... https://www.paragonmachineworks.com/headtubes/steel.html
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synBike Liked a reply to forum topic Head tube dimensions - Downhill, Enduro, Etc.
4/29/2024 1:25pm There is no standard but for trail/enduro bikes head tubes in the 100-130mm range in 10mm to increments are the most common. For metal bikes head tubes under 100mm can start to be harder to pass testing with. It's typical to increase ~10mm/size so something like 100/110/120/130mm for a S/M/L/Xl is a starting point. If you are building a standard large frame for yourself I probably wouldn't go under 110mm. You can correct with bars and stems spacers a bit but it's nice to not have too much under there.
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mx31 Added a reply to Head tube dimensions - Downhill, Enduro, Etc.
4/29/2024 3:19pm Thanks to everyone who posted suggestions. My eyes have been telling me over 100mm and under 150mm, but you guys are helping put some practical experience behind the numbers. I've only owned one mountain bike and have been riding it for about a year and a half. I come from motocross, so my two wheel skill is fairly high, but...
dolface Liked a reply to forum topic Head tube dimensions - Downhill, Enduro, Etc.
4/29/2024 1:12pm This site has a lot of bikes but I don't know if you can get it to list just head tubes; you can however, compare a bunch of bikes like this: https://www.bike-stats.de/en/geometrie_vergleich?Bike1=Canyon_Torque%20… Edit: what @pinkrobe said
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pinkrobe Liked a reply to forum topic Head tube dimensions - Downhill, Enduro, Etc.
4/29/2024 1:11pm There is no standard length, per se. Head tube lengths often vary by frame size. For example, on the Forbidden Dreadnought V2, head tube length is 90mm on a small and 135mm on an XL frame. The Commencal Supreme V5 has a HT length of 112mm across all sizes of frame. This info is listed in the geometry chart for each bike model. To make it more entertaining, the stack height [distance from crown race to the headset top cover varies with the type of headset. Pressed-in bearing cups with the bearings outside the frame create the tallest stack, and...
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mx31 Added a reply to Head tube dimensions - Downhill, Enduro, Etc.
4/29/2024 11:45am Thanks, I had no idea the range was so wide on that dimension... They offer 90mm all the way up into 200mm. It would be nice to know what is typical on a modern mountain bike.
mx31 Started a new thread Head tube dimensions - Downhill, Enduro, Etc.
4/29/2024 11:16am Is there a standard length for the head tube on downhill and enduro bikes? Or, is there a standard bearing to bearing distance with the crown race and upper seal-cap installed? Searching the internet I found nothing to indicate any standards for 1.5", 1-1/8" or tapered head tube length. I understand the different bearing cups and all of that, but...
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motomike Liked a reply to forum topic Scrubs are slower then squashing: My MTB hot take
4/29/2024 10:59am To me, scrubbing is about shortening the height of a lip and therefore staying much lower while at a higher rate of speed. You’ll see top mx guys tires taking off several feet before the end of the lip and then dragging their footpeg, rear axle, and sometimes handlebars over the peak. RV2 recently said in a podcast that when following people into new jumps, there could be a 10+MPH difference in speed coming in depending on how they hit the jump. That speed is higher before, during, and hopefully after the jump.
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DirtyHal Liked a reply to forum topic Does anyone curate a list of upcoming local races? Know of anything in the PNW / Washington.
8/17/2023 9:23pm NW Cup is not over, in fact registration opened last night for the final race at Dry hill in September: https://www.bikereg.com/nw-cup-finals-dry-hill
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mx31 Added a reply to Does anyone curate a list of upcoming local races? Know of anything in the PNW / Washington.
8/17/2023 9:22pm I signed up for their e-mail list a while back and they sent a registration link the other day. There's also that race Cascadia that ColBird posted: https://www.racecascadia.com/events Port Angeles isn't that far from me and I've raced about a million times at OPMC motocross track in that area. I am thinking about checking out one of those races. (I...
mx31 Added a reply to Does anyone curate a list of upcoming local races? Know of anything in the PNW / Washington.
8/17/2023 9:23am Thanks again for the heads up on the Wednesday night races in SeaTac. Last night I made it out to their final race. I learned some things about how bicycle races run and had a good time. I'll be looking forward to more racing, hopefully on more technical terrain.