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I have no idea really. My guess is that it will depend on how much of a vacuum is pulled how quickly and what the surface area is. The problem would seem to be how one knows what the % of dissolved gas in a fluid actually is. A little electrical probe you just dip in the fluid like a...
How is it any easier? There are lots of DOT fluids that exceed their standards. The standards only specify a set of minimum characteristics. Manufacturers are free to make products that exceed the minimum standard, which leads to the exact same place as people trying to figure out which mineral oil is best. And most of those mineral fluids sting...

TheKaiser Liked a reply to forum topic Nerding out on Brakes shall we? Not another tech deraliment

5/21/2024 9:07pm
How do you go about degassing it? Are you just talking about pulling a quick vacuum in a high quality syringe, or do you have some other apparatus and do it for longer? I have heard surprising claims about the amount of dissolved air contained in mineral oil (not sure if this would apply to DOT fluid too) and have always wondered how long it would take to fully purge it. If you think about opening a carbonated soda/water bottle, once the pressure is lowered, the Co2 starts to be released, but it takes quite a while (hours and hours)...
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Slavid666 Liked a reply to forum topic Nerding out on Brakes shall we? Not another tech deraliment

5/21/2024 9:06pm
Glycol ether (primary component of dot 4 and 5.1 brake fluid) contains approximately 19% dissolved atmosphere at STP. Most liquids contain some percentage of dissolved atm with alcohols typically containing more. Short of sparging with helium, vacuum degassing is the most effective method of dissolved gas removal. The soda bottle is somewhat different because it is supersaturated with co2 as a method of generating fizzy bubbles. Yes as the pressure is released the gas content decreases but once it’s done or reached is pressure equilibrium there is still 10 percent dissolved atmosphere in the liquid (approx, just guessing on this)...
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I find this all interesting, and I'm learning some stuff/doing more reading. So please correct me when I go off the rails here. Degassing should/could do two things. 1) Reduce the amount of entrained air that might appear in future (depending upon how well sealed the system is over long periods of time). This seems boring. Entrained gas follows Boyle's...
I think the straps on the levers are about dissolving any remaining gasses into the fluid, which will improve brake performance until the air degases out again; which will take some time. Henry's law stuff probably, but I don't know how long reaching the new equilibrium would take, hours or days probably. The idea is that dissolved gasses are better...

TheKaiser Liked a reply to forum topic Nerding out on Brakes shall we? Not another tech deraliment

5/20/2024 10:43pm
Are you saying that the flexed piston seals, which would normally roll back the pistons when the lever is released after a short pull, will slowly creep back along the piston under a long sustained pull as is done by strapping the lever down for an extended period? So it is kind of like advancing the pistons by squeezing the lever with a thinner bleed block or rotor removed, to reduce the lever throw? I've always heard the claim that strapping the lever is to somehow help rid the system of bubbles, although I don't understand how it would actually...
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j0lsrud Liked a reply to forum topic Nerding out on Brakes shall we? Not another tech deraliment

5/20/2024 10:41pm
Another thing i am curious aboust is how ling should a brake last? 1 season, 5 seasons, forever? I got me thinking because i crashed and needed to replace the lever body, and bought a complete brake, and man its was a massive improvement! 3 years old MT7 that was upgraded.
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Excellent nerding nerds. I've enjoyed reading this thread. The thing I'd like to see more nerding out about is brake lines. In my experience if you want a balanced feel front to rear you need to do something to balance your lines or make them much stiffer than stock shimano or magura lines. A rear line on a long bike...
How does this relate to ideas like KOPS (knee over pedal spindle) which I'm not saying is correct.... But it seems to me if you give a rider a really slack seat tube he'll likely just move his seat forward so that pedaling feels right in a seated position. If you give the same rider a bike with a longer reach but a steeper seat angle, the seat will probably be adjusted backwards by the rider to make seated pedaling feel correct again. So although you can make the bike longer with a longer reach and then try to fudge...
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