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CascadeComponents Added a reply to High vs Low Anti Rise Bikes

9/10/2026 9:55pm
That said, if you use an initial distribution of 2/3 on the rear wheel, a CG height of 1000, a wheelbase of 1299, and a coefficient of friction of 0.5, you get 28% of weight on the rear wheel under max braking regardless of angle.

CascadeComponents Added a reply to High vs Low Anti Rise Bikes

9/10/2026 9:52pm
How they are positioned on a piece of paper only impacts the end result if you create the summed vector by tracing a line from the first tail to the last tip. But I’m not tracing lines so it doesn’t matter. There are only four numbers to plug in. It doesn’t necessitate a spread sheet. I’ve thrown countless numbers into...

CascadeComponents Added a reply to High vs Low Anti Rise Bikes

9/10/2026 9:34pm
It doesn’t matter if they are tip to tip, tip to tail, or tail to tail so long as they are in the correct orientation because vectors are summed based on their components. Same goes for gravity. It’s broken down into components in that diagram such that everything is parallel or perpendicular and can be summed easily. Go look up...

CascadeComponents Added a reply to High vs Low Anti Rise Bikes

9/10/2026 8:51pm
So I think what’s throwing you for a loop is there is a fundamental flaw in your FBD. What you have drawn is only accurate if the front wheel is pinned to the ground at the contact patch (ie wheel stuck up against a log or something). If your wheel is stuck up against a log or anything else that...

CascadeComponents Added a reply to High vs Low Anti Rise Bikes

9/10/2026 4:52pm
Yeah it's actually kind of comical and makes you feel like you can't ride anything steep some times. You may very well find you can't slow down on even maintain speed on a 25 degree decline.

CascadeComponents Added a reply to High vs Low Anti Rise Bikes

9/10/2026 4:50pm
Slope angle factors out entirely. You need to step through it by summing the moments about the front contact patch. These sketches work fine for reference, but you need to actually do the math. It's pretty easy to see how m, g, and Cos(theta) factor out, but I had it simplify for the sake of it.

CascadeComponents Added a reply to High vs Low Anti Rise Bikes

9/10/2026 3:40pm
We all get that braking shifts weight forward. What I just walked through is how much weight you can end up with on the front and rear wheels in a certain scenario that involves braking as hard as grip will allow. Downslope does not factor into weight distribution. If you walk through the math you end up with a cos(theta)...

CascadeComponents Added a reply to High vs Low Anti Rise Bikes

9/9/2026 9:58pm
So I went and grabbed my DH bike to see how the CG location stacks up. This is an easy experiment to do if anyone feels inclined to put some real numbers on themselves… measure the weight of you and your bike. In my case this is 190.4 lbs. Then find a nice level spot where you can balance with...

AgrAde Liked a reply to forum topic High vs Low Anti Rise Bikes

9/6/2026 5:45pm
Someone better tell Troy Brosnan that his 220 rotor on the back of his DH bike is doing nothing and can't slow him down at all.
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TEAMROBOT Liked a reply to forum topic High vs Low Anti Rise Bikes

9/6/2026 10:07am
Respectfully, the mass grave that I've filled over the years with cooked brake pads and rotors, broken rear wheels, and punctured tires and inner tubes from riding steep trails tells me that my center of mass has a much stronger relationship with my rear wheel than what you've depicted in that free body diagram. The main difference being bumps and holes. as opposed to the endless monochromatic smooth grade that's implied by the instantaneous snapshot of your freebody diagram.
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CascadeComponents Added a reply to High vs Low Anti Rise Bikes

9/5/2026 1:47pm
Angle of the impacts could be a factor in a why a high anti-rise bike might feel smoother. Although preserving geo is something I would say is always confidence inspiring. Leverage ratio is generally relative to vertical motion, but you can take leverage ratio in any direction you want. Introducing any angle to the impact such that it can be...

CascadeComponents Added a reply to High vs Low Anti Rise Bikes

9/5/2026 1:41pm
In general I think people really underestimate the amount of braking force the rear wheel can generate. While weight does transfer to the front under braking, the initial weight distribution is skewed towards the rear (in the realm of 2/3rds of your weight on the rear wheel). Until enough weight transfers to the front wheel, which isn’t instantaneous, the rear...
A linkage in and of itself cannot. A linkage can 100% make a set up that is more supportive not sit too high in travel and not feel overly harsh towards top of travel. If someone were to not need that level out of support out of the shock, they certainly could run less compression damping and not be wrong...

CascadeComponents Added a reply to High vs Low Anti Rise Bikes

8/26/2026 3:53pm
Shock set up plays a huge roll there. Higher initial leverage ratio doesn't inherently mean it uses travel easier. It might, but it also might not be that different. But yes, if your suspension is less supportive at a given point in travel it will feel softer on a whole with anti-rise forces added in. That's driven by a combination...
I more meant people do it within ski areas as kind of semi-sanctioned side projects adjacent to maintenance of marked ski runs. A little different because of land use agreements I suppose, but the semi-sanctioned part of it feels like a gray area to me. If you are volunteering to help maintain marked runs at a ski area and you...

CascadeComponents Added a reply to High vs Low Anti Rise Bikes

8/26/2026 10:40am
Anti-rise alone, no impact. How stiff a bike is perceived to be at a given moment is a combination of many things. Feedback from the chain when you're hard on the brakes is more noticeable especially when it's trying to ratchet your feet back. If you're braking hard and the sensitivity of the suspension is impacted by both chain growth...
All but two of the trees were under 6" if I remember right. The irony in that to me is that in New England they go out and thin out shrubs and saplings every single year at ski areas and sometimes the people helping to do that will make their own secret gladed spot. There are definitely spots where the...

CascadeComponents Added a reply to High vs Low Anti Rise Bikes

8/24/2026 4:48pm
Don't know the number for the Revolt, but being a linkage driven single pivot with the pivot being none-too-low it's almost certainly on the higher end of the spectrum. If I had to guess, maybe 110% at top of travel and 80ish% at bottom of travel.

CascadeComponents Added a reply to High vs Low Anti Rise Bikes

8/24/2026 4:32pm
My ideal range would be something starting around 100-120% and dropping to somewhere around 0 by bottom of travel. Hard to put a number on it since such a wide range can really work, but I definitely don't mind over 100% around top of travel as long as that drops off to at or below 100% by sag.

CascadeComponents Added a reply to High vs Low Anti Rise Bikes

8/24/2026 9:36am
My two cents on anti-rise... First and foremost, it depends on the trails you are riding. There isn't a universal value that's best on everything. Low angle trails, especially one's where you're trailing the brakes to maintain speed, favor low anti-rise. On the other hand, steep trails and/or trails where you're hard on the brakes favor higher anti-rise. Sure low...