Shimano Saint calipers + XTR levers combo is still out there?

Good evening everyone.
Is the Saint calipers + XTR levers combo still around?

I noticed that the Yeti DH team is using this combo, but pairing the Saint calipers with the XTR M9120 levers.

I've always heard that in this combo we should use the M9100 levers because those don't have the servo wave.

Can someone explain this to me?

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6/1/2026 11:23am

Take my input with a grain of salt, but when I was looking into the best options for maximizing a shigura setup, I read that the 9100 levers and master cylinders lack the proper leverage to force a large, powerful caliper to clamp down adequately.  They're made with XC racing in mind, so they lack the raw power one wants for a more heavy duty application.

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6/1/2026 2:47pm
Take my input with a grain of salt, but when I was looking into the best options for maximizing a shigura setup, I read that the...

Take my input with a grain of salt, but when I was looking into the best options for maximizing a shigura setup, I read that the 9100 levers and master cylinders lack the proper leverage to force a large, powerful caliper to clamp down adequately.  They're made with XC racing in mind, so they lack the raw power one wants for a more heavy duty application.


Thanks for the input. If it works for Richie Rude, it'll work for me. Smile Smile Smile

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6/1/2026 9:09pm

The master cylinder piston for Shimano has been, for almost 15 years at least, 10mm. The ultimate leverage ratio of the XTR is not that different from a servowave equipped lever. The XTR saint combo has been run by Shimano athletes in dh for a long time. You get a stiffer lever and a less aggressive bite point. I used to setup our bikes with that combo back in 2014-2016 when I was wrenching for a trek/shimano jr dev enduro race team. It’s been a great setup for a long time.

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6/2/2026 3:21am
Slavid666 wrote:
The master cylinder piston for Shimano has been, for almost 15 years at least, 10mm. The ultimate leverage ratio of the XTR is not that different...

The master cylinder piston for Shimano has been, for almost 15 years at least, 10mm. The ultimate leverage ratio of the XTR is not that different from a servowave equipped lever. The XTR saint combo has been run by Shimano athletes in dh for a long time. You get a stiffer lever and a less aggressive bite point. I used to setup our bikes with that combo back in 2014-2016 when I was wrenching for a trek/shimano jr dev enduro race team. It’s been a great setup for a long time.

But how different is to use the M9100 lever without servo wave, like i used a few years ago, or to use the M9120 with servo wave like Yeti is using in their DH bikes?

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Slavid666 wrote:
The master cylinder piston for Shimano has been, for almost 15 years at least, 10mm. The ultimate leverage ratio of the XTR is not that different...

The master cylinder piston for Shimano has been, for almost 15 years at least, 10mm. The ultimate leverage ratio of the XTR is not that different from a servowave equipped lever. The XTR saint combo has been run by Shimano athletes in dh for a long time. You get a stiffer lever and a less aggressive bite point. I used to setup our bikes with that combo back in 2014-2016 when I was wrenching for a trek/shimano jr dev enduro race team. It’s been a great setup for a long time.

caveirex wrote:
But how different is to use the M9100 lever without servo wave, like i used a few years ago, or to use the M9120 with servo...

But how different is to use the M9100 lever without servo wave, like i used a few years ago, or to use the M9120 with servo wave like Yeti is using in their DH bikes?

Lever throw before the bite point is going to be longer with a non-servowave lever. Non-servowave will probably feel a little less on/off, so moving away from the typical shimano light switch brake feel. 

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I’ve done back to back tests and strongly prefer the Servowave lever because the free-stroke is much, much shorter, and I find the wider lever blade more comfortable. 

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Will it be dumb to ask what is the reason not to use Saint levers in the first place? Whats the diference between them and any other servowave shimano lever?

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bikelurker wrote:
Will it be dumb to ask what is the reason not to use Saint levers in the first place? Whats the diference between them and any...

Will it be dumb to ask what is the reason not to use Saint levers in the first place? Whats the diference between them and any other servowave shimano lever?

The shifter mounts are different.

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bikelurker wrote:
Will it be dumb to ask what is the reason not to use Saint levers in the first place? Whats the diference between them and any...

Will it be dumb to ask what is the reason not to use Saint levers in the first place? Whats the diference between them and any other servowave shimano lever?

The Saint levers sit very far from the grip, even with the reach adjustment fully closed. For those with small hands—or anyone who prefers the levers closer to the grips—the XTRs work much better.

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