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1/1/2016 7:32pm
I'm guessing YT/KTM joint sponsorship. The clues continue.
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1/1/2016 11:29pm
William42 wrote:
Isn't Audi owned by VW? Seems pretty unlikely that they'd decide to sponsor a bicycle racing program when their budget is already a bit short from...
Isn't Audi owned by VW? Seems pretty unlikely that they'd decide to sponsor a bicycle racing program when their budget is already a bit short from dealing with the diesel emissions scandal. They don't even sell bicycles, and the exposure it will net them is probably pretty minimal.

I'm pretty dubious of the Audi sponsoring a big budget bike team claims. KTM seems pretty unlikely too, although not as much. YT seems very likely and they have everything to gain from it. They can take their bike from a "freeride brah, this bike is for people to take safety breaks behind trees and then huck" to legit race bikes. If they're able to swing the budget to pay him, then its a real win for them.
VW had lots of cars/ free stuff/ advertising at US National Champs this year, showing their interest in advertising to the mtb community. I would bet they could shell out the money to pay Gwin whatever he wants. Considering the net worth of the company is $168 Billion, a few hundred thousand would probably not be missed.
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1/2/2016 12:36am
PeteB wrote:
VW had lots of cars/ free stuff/ advertising at US National Champs this year, showing their interest in advertising to the mtb community. I would bet...
VW had lots of cars/ free stuff/ advertising at US National Champs this year, showing their interest in advertising to the mtb community. I would bet they could shell out the money to pay Gwin whatever he wants. Considering the net worth of the company is $168 Billion, a few hundred thousand would probably not be missed.
However marketing does not work this way, especially for large companies Wink
1/2/2016 3:26am
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According to Gee, there's some prototype Trek action going down already: To say I'm excited to be starting out a new year on this machine is...
Probably an xxl frame or something. I seem to remember them saying shortly after the press release that gee might ride a larger frame than what was already available
1/2/2016 5:37am
audi sponsor soderstrom so why not gwin too
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1/2/2016 5:46am
Looks like a session.

But seriously, is Gee THAT tall? He never seemed to be a giant, while it's known that Peaty and Greg are very tall (even the Rat is supposedly quite tall, but he kinda looks small when in the company of Steve and Greg).
1/2/2016 5:52am
im 5"10 and gee made me feel short when i met him
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1/2/2016 7:45am
Production bike geometry hasn't totally caught up to what these guys want, hence all the buzzworks reach extending headsets you'll see all over the WC pits. GT Furys are long in stock form and Gee's was still custom.
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1/2/2016 8:04am
Big Bird wrote:
Let's not forget the possibility of Audi joining in on the KTM YT TLD train. That's where the real money could be.
HIGHLY unlikely Audi is doing anything more than a commercial spot with Gwin. I've said it earlier but look at the Candide Thovex ski piece. Candide skied on grass and it was amazeballs. Then look at the Gwin Instagram with a super steep street with snow on it. Likley doing the same thing in reverse (bike on snow, ski on grass...get it?)

Candide isn't sponsored by Audi. Gwin wont be sponsored by Audi. I'd bet money on it.
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1/2/2016 8:14am Edited Date/Time 1/2/2016 8:25am
Big Bird wrote:
Let's not forget the possibility of Audi joining in on the KTM YT TLD train. That's where the real money could be.
Not likely. Audi own Ducati so they are unlikely to team up with a rival motorcycle brand.

With the amount of KTM stuff Gwin has been posting lately it seems that a collaboration with them is the obvious conclusion, although it's difficult to see why they would get involved in DH sponsorship.

What I know is that it looks like Specialized have come out of this quite well. They have traded Gwin for the current dh world champ, his protege Vergier and one of the greatest mtb riders in history Jared Graves. Not to mention they still have Brosnan and Ropelato (who mentioned coming back to DH full time in 2016).

We have seen what happened to Gwin if the bike isn't exactly to his liking when he moved to Specialized. I just hope that whoever he is riding for in 2016 can put the equipment he needs under him fast. Otherwise Bruni, Brosnan, Minnaar etc will clean up at the world cups.
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1/2/2016 11:37am
Big Bird wrote:
Let's not forget the possibility of Audi joining in on the KTM YT TLD train. That's where the real money could be.
HIGHLY unlikely Audi is doing anything more than a commercial spot with Gwin. I've said it earlier but look at the Candide Thovex ski piece. Candide...
HIGHLY unlikely Audi is doing anything more than a commercial spot with Gwin. I've said it earlier but look at the Candide Thovex ski piece. Candide skied on grass and it was amazeballs. Then look at the Gwin Instagram with a super steep street with snow on it. Likley doing the same thing in reverse (bike on snow, ski on grass...get it?)

Candide isn't sponsored by Audi. Gwin wont be sponsored by Audi. I'd bet money on it.
if Audi was a clue given somewhere then y'all are blowing it Wink
1/2/2016 11:48am
enduro27.5 wrote:
audi sponsor soderstrom so why not gwin too
Martin Söderström is sponsored by his local Audi dealer as far as his tagging reveals...
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1/2/2016 1:24pm Edited Date/Time 1/2/2016 1:25pm
enduro27.5 wrote:
im 5"10 and gee made me feel short when i met him
Well that's 5 inches (almost 13 cm) less than me and i don't feel THAT tall. I think both Peaty and Minaar ar taller than i am.

As for the bike, due to my long legs i ride a large Reign. I just about fit on it leg length wise (it could be a bit taller) while i prefer the shorter cockpit of the L compared to an XL. Can't see why an XXL would be needed then (though granted, seat heights on DH bikes are a bit different to enduro/AM/XC/etc. bikes).



Sponsoring Candide would be more logical for Audi, since they are THE brand associated with ski racing and now also ski jumping (in the ski racing world it's like Audi or bust, if you don't drive an Audi, people look at you funny, at least that's what i heard).

Also, skiing is a lot more of an upper-class sport (it's gotten crazy expensive) than mountainbiking, therefore it's more logical to sponsor skiing for a high end car brand. MTB also doesn't have the same exposure ski racing has.

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1/2/2016 2:01pm
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Probably an xxl frame or something. I seem to remember them saying shortly after the press release that gee might ride a larger frame than what...
Probably an xxl frame or something. I seem to remember them saying shortly after the press release that gee might ride a larger frame than what was already available
If you have ever rode a Session you know that their sizing is on the small side. I spent some time in the pits at MSA talking with Brook's mechanic. He told me that they were all on a large except for Greg who was on a xl. If you have ever seen Brook in person, he is pushing 5 foot 8. And Greg was not that much taller. So for Gee to ride the bike in a comfortable way they needed a xxl. Someone (I think Lee) pointed out that the GT's are now longer, thanks to the Athertons. Besides, a lot of brands (Santa Cruz, cough cough) have sizing issues. That is why you should never buy a bike without trying it first. I do not think that seems to work over on the pinkbike site.
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The 'class' of the sport, whatever that means, had nothing to do with it. Audi sponsor ski events because of the number of people who ski/snowboard (over 100million worldwide) and the million of people who watch ski events. Winter sports are massive compared to biking, it's all about numbers and few hundred thousand people watching a dh World Cup won't attract the money from Audi, even if they have lots of it.
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1/2/2016 2:48pm
Audi and their Quattro changed the gamebook of WRC in the eighties - what better to get to the resort than a now-luxury awd sedan or wagon?? This concept over to MTB is cobby, not simple to adapt (like ski), does little to generate a core image.
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1/2/2016 5:03pm Edited Date/Time 1/2/2016 5:07pm
LTrumpore wrote:
if Audi was a clue given somewhere then y'all are blowing it Wink
Just throwing Monkey Wrenches at the last minute to keep it lively. I guess it worked. What does Gwin drive? Is it Murkin or Japanese? GMC-KTM-YT-TLD?

And I've seen some sweet bike racked Audis in my time. I'd drive a quatro wagon the the bike mountain if I could afford it.
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1/2/2016 5:10pm
LTrumpore wrote:
if Audi was a clue given somewhere then y'all are blowing it Wink
Big Bird wrote:
Just throwing Monkey Wrenches at the last minute to keep it lively. I guess it worked. What does Gwin drive? Is it Murkin or Japanese? GMC-KTM-YT-TLD...
Just throwing Monkey Wrenches at the last minute to keep it lively. I guess it worked. What does Gwin drive? Is it Murkin or Japanese? GMC-KTM-YT-TLD?

And I've seen some sweet bike racked Audis in my time. I'd drive a quatro wagon the the bike mountain if I could afford it.
I think a big frenched out Ford F-150 pick up with fox decals all over it.
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1/2/2016 5:25pm Edited Date/Time 1/2/2016 5:27pm
Big Bird wrote:
Just throwing Monkey Wrenches at the last minute to keep it lively. I guess it worked. What does Gwin drive? Is it Murkin or Japanese? GMC-KTM-YT-TLD...
Just throwing Monkey Wrenches at the last minute to keep it lively. I guess it worked. What does Gwin drive? Is it Murkin or Japanese? GMC-KTM-YT-TLD?

And I've seen some sweet bike racked Audis in my time. I'd drive a quatro wagon the the bike mountain if I could afford it.
Skis package onto a car mucho better-o than whatever a bike turns into in a year. Racks are a personal choice, nothing that the VW Group needs to begin tracking.

The sport is getting silly. Cam Zink gets on the cover of a gun magazine with his bike handlebars as a tripod. Oh, Gun Manufacturer team sure to come, feeble masses will indicate.

Audi chose to make a TV spot.

Cam Zink is riding the sell-out wagon whereever it goes.
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1/2/2016 7:21pm Edited Date/Time 1/2/2016 7:24pm
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The 'class' of the sport, whatever that means, had nothing to do with it. Audi sponsor ski events because of the number of people who ski/snowboard...
The 'class' of the sport, whatever that means, had nothing to do with it. Audi sponsor ski events because of the number of people who ski/snowboard (over 100million worldwide) and the million of people who watch ski events. Winter sports are massive compared to biking, it's all about numbers and few hundred thousand people watching a dh World Cup won't attract the money from Audi, even if they have lots of it.
This is a myth. "Audi sponsor ski events because of the number of people who ski/snowboard (over 100million worldwide) and the million of people who watch ski events."

You are talking to a dude who's paycheck knows first hand you are 100% wrong.

Ski racing = road biking.

Candie Thovex = someone very similar to Aaron Gwin. Candide is not a racer. He's a fairly well known freeskier, but still a freeskier. "Freeskiing" is a niche in a niche. Sort of like DH mountain biking.

Audi is looking for a viral video. Not to appeal to a sport. People shared the Candide Thovex video cause it was mind blowing, (it even made its rounds on Vital) not because it appeals to the "core ski set". Same will ring true for whatever he's doing on the bike side with them. Skiing, must like mountain biking, doesn't matter to Audi. Brand perception on the other hand...thats what they care about. And rightfully so.

Want to make a wager? Wink
1/2/2016 10:56pm
I heard Gwin was joining a northwest team; Rippers Racing, they have a beer sponsor!
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This is a myth. "Audi sponsor ski events because of the number of people who ski/snowboard (over 100million worldwide) and the million of people who watch...
This is a myth. "Audi sponsor ski events because of the number of people who ski/snowboard (over 100million worldwide) and the million of people who watch ski events."

You are talking to a dude who's paycheck knows first hand you are 100% wrong.

Ski racing = road biking.

Candie Thovex = someone very similar to Aaron Gwin. Candide is not a racer. He's a fairly well known freeskier, but still a freeskier. "Freeskiing" is a niche in a niche. Sort of like DH mountain biking.

Audi is looking for a viral video. Not to appeal to a sport. People shared the Candide Thovex video cause it was mind blowing, (it even made its rounds on Vital) not because it appeals to the "core ski set". Same will ring true for whatever he's doing on the bike side with them. Skiing, must like mountain biking, doesn't matter to Audi. Brand perception on the other hand...thats what they care about. And rightfully so.

Want to make a wager? Wink
So what part of my statement is wrong? Please tell me why Audi are heavily involved in winter sports?

Audi sponsor the entire FIS Ski World Cup, Ski Cross World Cup, Ski Jumping, various national Ski teams as well as many individual skiers such as Jon Olsson, Svindal, Hirscher, Ligety etc.

I'm saying that it's unlikely that Audi will get involved in mtb because of such low viewing figures and participation compared to winter sports. Not to mention demographics. They might get involved in an odd viral video or commercial sure, but not committing hundreds of thousands to a world cup team. That´s what this thread is about.

Who mentioned road biking? Last time I checked Gwin is a downhill rider. Not sure what your point is there.



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This is a myth. "Audi sponsor ski events because of the number of people who ski/snowboard (over 100million worldwide) and the million of people who watch...
This is a myth. "Audi sponsor ski events because of the number of people who ski/snowboard (over 100million worldwide) and the million of people who watch ski events."

You are talking to a dude who's paycheck knows first hand you are 100% wrong.

Ski racing = road biking.

Candie Thovex = someone very similar to Aaron Gwin. Candide is not a racer. He's a fairly well known freeskier, but still a freeskier. "Freeskiing" is a niche in a niche. Sort of like DH mountain biking.

Audi is looking for a viral video. Not to appeal to a sport. People shared the Candide Thovex video cause it was mind blowing, (it even made its rounds on Vital) not because it appeals to the "core ski set". Same will ring true for whatever he's doing on the bike side with them. Skiing, must like mountain biking, doesn't matter to Audi. Brand perception on the other hand...thats what they care about. And rightfully so.

Want to make a wager? Wink
Oz_Taylor wrote:
So what part of my statement is wrong? Please tell me why Audi are heavily involved in winter sports? Audi sponsor the entire FIS Ski World...
So what part of my statement is wrong? Please tell me why Audi are heavily involved in winter sports?

Audi sponsor the entire FIS Ski World Cup, Ski Cross World Cup, Ski Jumping, various national Ski teams as well as many individual skiers such as Jon Olsson, Svindal, Hirscher, Ligety etc.

I'm saying that it's unlikely that Audi will get involved in mtb because of such low viewing figures and participation compared to winter sports. Not to mention demographics. They might get involved in an odd viral video or commercial sure, but not committing hundreds of thousands to a world cup team. That´s what this thread is about.

Who mentioned road biking? Last time I checked Gwin is a downhill rider. Not sure what your point is there.



Oz_Taylor wrote:
So what part of my statement is wrong? Please tell me why Audi are heavily involved in winter sports?

Audi sponsor the entire FIS Ski World Cup, Ski Cross World Cup, Ski Jumping, various national Ski teams as well as many individual skiers such as Jon Olsson, Svindal, Hirscher, Ligety etc.

I'm saying that it's unlikely that Audi will get involved in mtb because of such low viewing figures and participation compared to winter sports. Not to mention demographics. They might get involved in an odd viral video or commercial sure, but not committing hundreds of thousands to a world cup team. That´s what this thread is about.

Who mentioned road biking? Last time I checked Gwin is a downhill rider. Not sure what your point is there.


Audi is involved heavily with ski racing but ski racing and freeskiing couldn't be further apart (much like road racing and DH racing...hence the analogy).

To my point did you know Audi makes a road bike? http://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear/dream-bike/audi-bike-people-who-lov… and has an interest in a cycling team? http://www.krykisports.com/

I'm not saying they have as much interest in cycling as they do skiing but I'd argue the demographic of the entire sport is a lot closer in size than you care to think. (cycling vs skiing)

The funny part is we are saying the same thing. Audi isn't sponsoring Gwin or anybody else in cycling. They are using him for a commercial spot. Go read what I wrote further up.
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[i]Oz_Taylor wrote: So what part of my statement is wrong? Please tell me why Audi are heavily involved in winter sports? Audi sponsor the entire FIS...
Oz_Taylor wrote:
So what part of my statement is wrong? Please tell me why Audi are heavily involved in winter sports?

Audi sponsor the entire FIS Ski World Cup, Ski Cross World Cup, Ski Jumping, various national Ski teams as well as many individual skiers such as Jon Olsson, Svindal, Hirscher, Ligety etc.

I'm saying that it's unlikely that Audi will get involved in mtb because of such low viewing figures and participation compared to winter sports. Not to mention demographics. They might get involved in an odd viral video or commercial sure, but not committing hundreds of thousands to a world cup team. That´s what this thread is about.

Who mentioned road biking? Last time I checked Gwin is a downhill rider. Not sure what your point is there.


Audi is involved heavily with ski racing but ski racing and freeskiing couldn't be further apart (much like road racing and DH racing...hence the analogy).

To my point did you know Audi makes a road bike? http://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear/dream-bike/audi-bike-people-who-lov… and has an interest in a cycling team? http://www.krykisports.com/

I'm not saying they have as much interest in cycling as they do skiing but I'd argue the demographic of the entire sport is a lot closer in size than you care to think. (cycling vs skiing)

The funny part is we are saying the same thing. Audi isn't sponsoring Gwin or anybody else in cycling. They are using him for a commercial spot. Go read what I wrote further up.
Why would Audi need to sponsor anyone when they get so much free coverage on here...
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