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Given the relatively high shifting forces (pinion supposedly shifts the gearboxes using strong motors on the end of line production check while running the gearbox at basically full power - supposedly the harder you pedal, the harder it is to shift, but it's not impossible given enough shifting force with no damage done to the gearbox) you'd either need a very strong return spring or back off the power on the pedals to almost zero. In the first case you'd have to move the shifting mechanism AND the spring in one direction. That could prove to be quite a high effort in practise.
I sadly haven't tried a pinion gearbox yet so can't comment on the shifting effort or the forces needed to shift gears, but it looks like an electronic system might be the easiest solution. It could even be made dumb, two buttons, a controller and a stepper motor on a worm drive power the equivalent of the grip shift to shift the gears. If the motor isn't strong enough, the stepper will have a few step losses, otherwise you just do the number of steps on the stepper needed to make a shift and that's it. Level two would be a feedback system displaying the gear the gearbox is in. But current Sram/Shimano systems are essentialy blind as well.
Maybe a similar solution could be achieved with two levers on the right side?
As Primoz said, main issue with the Cinq system is the fact it competes for the space for a dropper lever. It's one of the tangible benefits 1x gave us, and IMO made droppers properly ubiquitous, so seems like a backward step. Also seems a bit overpriced for what it is.
The new DS2 shifter looks like a very nice upgrade over the original shifter, but I'm still not a fan of having my bar grip compromised to perform a shift, also seems like it undoes some of the advantage of being able to shift without pedalling (such as coming into a steep technical section transitioning to a climb).
I also noticed the cable port in front of the gearbox looked a little more cavenous
Realistically it took me about a month to properly nail the technique for gripshifting a gearbox, but now I 100% prefer it to trigger shifting a derailleur.
When I ride derailleur now, they feel so weird and awkward that I wonder how I ever used them.
Pinion gripshift + Pinion gearbox = awesome.
The cinq system looks awful and is a step in the wrong direction.
I'd be very interested to see e-shifting properly introduced to the Pinon in the form of a Di2 style shifter though.
Would it really be so hard to develop a shifter with two pull levers, one above the other? Same as we're using now, just a pair of the lower ones...
Maybe it's harder than I imagine (not even pretending to be an armchair engineer) but I want it.
But yeah, that would be an option.
You also have to remember that the release triggers in current shifters don't require much force to operate so they can be hidden behind the big lever.
- first size-L frames come in end of April
- preparing extensive frame testing
- suspension tuning with Fox
- finalizing the color and graphics schemes
- CAD development on M and XL frames
- finalizing development on new shifting options
- building the website and webshop
- organizing logistics and production
And a bit of a shocker. Not even launched yet and already a new name? Yes, we were re-thinking our brand name and expect to launch with a name that fits the bike and our brand even better. We’ll keep you posted.
Next WorldWide Health Pandemic and/or Financial Crisis, consider putting the pinch on Forum content containing soliciting and advertising.
Find it real hard to be optimistic and be supportive of a few unknown breakaways from whatever other internet forums are maybe also being populated. I understand the whole "go get 'em" bump. In respect to current state of global affairs, I could really give a shit about the update to this concept making quota.
Some of us have family we cannot visit in Hospital, some of us have family who may be dying. Some of us may have family who've succumb. So, I'm sorry if there's a bit of disgust at this open, unpaid advertising on the open internet.
It's different when VitalMTB's featuring, not this other way around.
It sounds like you might have people in your life acutely affected by the pandemic. If that's the case, you have my sincere sympathies. Just generally being affected by the ways the world is changing is stressful enough, let alone being affected by the virus itself. Perhaps if that's the case, maybe log off unimportant (in the grand scheme of things) forums like these, keep close to your loved ones and hopefully we'll all see each other back here with a fresh perspective when the terribleness subsides.
I'm happy to stick around however as I think it's good to give startups a bit of a leg up at anytime, and certainly can't see any profiteering or taking advantage of the current situation occurring here.
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