Sorry guy, but you are just dumb. I go to Ride Kanuga where e-bikes are legal and rentable 1-2 times a week. They pass fit people...
Sorry guy, but you are just dumb. I go to Ride Kanuga where e-bikes are legal and rentable 1-2 times a week. They pass fit people 2-3 times a ride and me 4 times per ride.
So explain the hover magic theory you can use to explain away 3-4 times as much riding in a single afternoon of riding.
Oh..and the really obese folks on eebs, they can get in 2-3 times as many laps as me and pass fit riders. Quit making up garbage.
They're tugging buddies up every lap, and I've seen them pull the same person 10 laps. So now that's 4 tires, 2 people and a total of 20 laps from 2 riders. You want what you want...and you just want to try to justify it. I watch them lap after lap being able to spin roost when they go across uphill water bars that fit cyclists are not able to.
Just because you pop a viagra, it doesn't mean you get to stick your erection in whatever hole you feel like. You have to do it legally. Same with eebs. They're illegal in Pisgah and Dupont where I live. That's all that matters. If you're the kind of dude that straps on some electric viagra to a set of mountain bike wheels and forks...it doesn't give you permission to stick your eeb-rection in the forest without permission.
Bye fallacy.
No, that's not all that matters. It needs to be legally enforced. And it needs to be effective. Otherwise, no one cares and all the crying in the world amounts to nothing.
No, that's not all that matters. It needs to be legally enforced. And it needs to be effective. Otherwise, no one cares and all the crying...
No, that's not all that matters. It needs to be legally enforced. And it needs to be effective. Otherwise, no one cares and all the crying in the world amounts to nothing.
With all the horror in the world…potential nuclear war, food shortages, inflation, homelessness, drugs, murder, robbery, car jacking, cashless bail, releasing violent criminals…. And yet there are those who want someone to enforce a no eBike policy so they don’t have to be passed on a climb and their ego can safely come out of a pillow lined basement.
makes perfect sense. Grow up, much bigger issues in this world than policing fun.
Sorry guy, but you are just dumb. I go to Ride Kanuga where e-bikes are legal and rentable 1-2 times a week. They pass fit people...
Sorry guy, but you are just dumb. I go to Ride Kanuga where e-bikes are legal and rentable 1-2 times a week. They pass fit people 2-3 times a ride and me 4 times per ride.
So explain the hover magic theory you can use to explain away 3-4 times as much riding in a single afternoon of riding.
Oh..and the really obese folks on eebs, they can get in 2-3 times as many laps as me and pass fit riders. Quit making up garbage.
They're tugging buddies up every lap, and I've seen them pull the same person 10 laps. So now that's 4 tires, 2 people and a total of 20 laps from 2 riders. You want what you want...and you just want to try to justify it. I watch them lap after lap being able to spin roost when they go across uphill water bars that fit cyclists are not able to.
Just because you pop a viagra, it doesn't mean you get to stick your erection in whatever hole you feel like. You have to do it legally. Same with eebs. They're illegal in Pisgah and Dupont where I live. That's all that matters. If you're the kind of dude that straps on some electric viagra to a set of mountain bike wheels and forks...it doesn't give you permission to stick your eeb-rection in the forest without permission.
So, you’re whining about use & erosion in a bike park which allows e-bikes & actively hires them out too, as a revenue stream? 🤦♂️
Thankfully...
So, you’re whining about use & erosion in a bike park which allows e-bikes & actively hires them out too, as a revenue stream? 🤦♂️
Thankfully I live somewhere where guns arn’t legal & ebikes are. That way I can ride my electric ‘toy’ (as you put it) as well as my non electric toy, depending on whichever way my mood takes me.
I’ll make much more of an effort to be butthurt when an ebike overtakes me on a climb & get more laps in than me too. I’ll make sure to do the same about anyone catching lifts in resorts. Those lazy, good for nothing park rats. Unless they ride to a trailhead, they don’t even know they were born.
Dear moron, I'm not whining about e-mopeds in a privately owned park they are allowed in
I'm easily dismissing the assanine logic that e-bikes do less damage than mountain bikes or have less impact on a trail when it's obvious they do way more when you watch them go by on the daily. Don't care if they pass me. I'm there for the ride.
It's utter bull to say eebs have a neglible impact on National Forests (which are protected wilderness and watersheds) because I ride with those things in the bike park every day and see them do 3-4 times as many passes of the same trail as a mountain bike. Pay attention Mr. "Turned 2 wheeled discussion into a political gun rant"
Dear moron, I'm not whining about e-mopeds in a privately owned park they are allowed in
I'm easily dismissing the assanine logic that e-bikes do less...
Dear moron, I'm not whining about e-mopeds in a privately owned park they are allowed in
I'm easily dismissing the assanine logic that e-bikes do less damage than mountain bikes or have less impact on a trail when it's obvious they do way more when you watch them go by on the daily. Don't care if they pass me. I'm there for the ride.
It's utter bull to say eebs have a neglible impact on National Forests (which are protected wilderness and watersheds) because I ride with those things in the bike park every day and see them do 3-4 times as many passes of the same trail as a mountain bike. Pay attention Mr. "Turned 2 wheeled discussion into a political gun rant"
The only person that’s come off like a complete moron is you. No facts, just butthurt feelings.
National Forests are not wilderness areas. Wilderness areas can be within the National Forest but a National Forest is not within a Wilderness. Seems like small point I’m sure to genius like you but it does matter. For the record, in a National Forest, eMtb’s are allowed to be on any trail a bicycle can use unless specifically designated otherwise.
it’s hard to have a conversation with someone who is so entrenched and committed to beliefs that are in fact wrong. The best thing I’ve read from you is your admitting that you’re a weak cyclist who can only do one lap. That’s good, you’re negativity will flow around fewer people. Maybe just enjoy your bowl in the parking lot, stay there and leave the riding to people happy to be having fun.
I just recently had a chat with a couple of uninformed gentlemen(very loose description)on another site about global warming and the aspects of renewable everything vs fossil fuels while using all the available renewables they have a extremely one sided view point we all need to look at both sides of the coin as there's a lot more at play here than anyone wants to see!
Dear moron, I'm not whining about e-mopeds in a privately owned park they are allowed in
I'm easily dismissing the assanine logic that e-bikes do less...
Dear moron, I'm not whining about e-mopeds in a privately owned park they are allowed in
I'm easily dismissing the assanine logic that e-bikes do less damage than mountain bikes or have less impact on a trail when it's obvious they do way more when you watch them go by on the daily. Don't care if they pass me. I'm there for the ride.
It's utter bull to say eebs have a neglible impact on National Forests (which are protected wilderness and watersheds) because I ride with those things in the bike park every day and see them do 3-4 times as many passes of the same trail as a mountain bike. Pay attention Mr. "Turned 2 wheeled discussion into a political gun rant"
The only person that’s come off like a complete moron is you. No facts, just butthurt feelings.
National Forests are not wilderness areas. Wilderness areas can...
The only person that’s come off like a complete moron is you. No facts, just butthurt feelings.
National Forests are not wilderness areas. Wilderness areas can be within the National Forest but a National Forest is not within a Wilderness. Seems like small point I’m sure to genius like you but it does matter. For the record, in a National Forest, eMtb’s are allowed to be on any trail a bicycle can use unless specifically designated otherwise.
it’s hard to have a conversation with someone who is so entrenched and committed to beliefs that are in fact wrong. The best thing I’ve read from you is your admitting that you’re a weak cyclist who can only do one lap. That’s good, you’re negativity will flow around fewer people. Maybe just enjoy your bowl in the parking lot, stay there and leave the riding to people happy to be having fun.
https://www.fs.usda.gov/activity/nfsnc/recreation/bicycling Electric mopeds aren't allowed in our National Forests here. That way kids can hike and play with salamanders in creeks without being trampled by mopeds. Unlike your region of the country, our forests are tiny. They were destroyed in the 70's & 80's by all manner of motorized fun & so they all got banned. Hopefully it stays that way because people need quiet places to unwind and relax & learn about clean water, diverse plant and animal species & care about the forests, not hot lap them.
We've got plenty of bike parks that can hold all the mopeds and SurRons & Grizzlies and every other franken-battery-moto that's out there. So talk about where you live and your own places. Don't include our region in your thought process. It doesn't apply. If you still live in Clovis, I'm happy for you. Enjoy those straight lines I just looked up on the map. They look like a prison encampment from satellite. But hey, they're probably fun for you to only have to take 90 degree turns to go everywhere.
https://www.fs.usda.gov/activity/nfsnc/recreation/bicycling Electric mopeds aren't allowed in our National Forests here. That way kids can hike and play with salamanders in creeks without being trampled by mopeds...
https://www.fs.usda.gov/activity/nfsnc/recreation/bicycling Electric mopeds aren't allowed in our National Forests here. That way kids can hike and play with salamanders in creeks without being trampled by mopeds. Unlike your region of the country, our forests are tiny. They were destroyed in the 70's & 80's by all manner of motorized fun & so they all got banned. Hopefully it stays that way because people need quiet places to unwind and relax & learn about clean water, diverse plant and animal species & care about the forests, not hot lap them.
We've got plenty of bike parks that can hold all the mopeds and SurRons & Grizzlies and every other franken-battery-moto that's out there. So talk about where you live and your own places. Don't include our region in your thought process. It doesn't apply. If you still live in Clovis, I'm happy for you. Enjoy those straight lines I just looked up on the map. They look like a prison encampment from satellite. But hey, they're probably fun for you to only have to take 90 degree turns to go everywhere.
“That way kids can hike and play with salamanders in creeks without being trampled by mopeds.”
Pretty funny that your avatar is you crashing down a creek bed on your gravity moped.
https://www.fs.usda.gov/activity/nfsnc/recreation/bicycling Electric mopeds aren't allowed in our National Forests here. That way kids can hike and play with salamanders in creeks without being trampled by mopeds...
https://www.fs.usda.gov/activity/nfsnc/recreation/bicycling Electric mopeds aren't allowed in our National Forests here. That way kids can hike and play with salamanders in creeks without being trampled by mopeds. Unlike your region of the country, our forests are tiny. They were destroyed in the 70's & 80's by all manner of motorized fun & so they all got banned. Hopefully it stays that way because people need quiet places to unwind and relax & learn about clean water, diverse plant and animal species & care about the forests, not hot lap them.
We've got plenty of bike parks that can hold all the mopeds and SurRons & Grizzlies and every other franken-battery-moto that's out there. So talk about where you live and your own places. Don't include our region in your thought process. It doesn't apply. If you still live in Clovis, I'm happy for you. Enjoy those straight lines I just looked up on the map. They look like a prison encampment from satellite. But hey, they're probably fun for you to only have to take 90 degree turns to go everywhere.
“That way kids can hike and play with salamanders in creeks without being trampled by mopeds.”
Pretty funny that your avatar is you crashing down...
“That way kids can hike and play with salamanders in creeks without being trampled by mopeds.”
Pretty funny that your avatar is you crashing down a creek bed on your gravity moped.
I see now that you're just a child looking to push buttons. Let's meet one day and you can talk face to face. I'm turning off notifications and I'll see if there is a "block babies" feature in the settings. Bye kid.
I see now that you're just a child looking to push buttons. Let's meet one day and you can talk face to face. I'm turning off...
I see now that you're just a child looking to push buttons. Let's meet one day and you can talk face to face. I'm turning off notifications and I'll see if there is a "block babies" feature in the settings. Bye kid.
Gracious of you to offer to meet face to face but apparently you can’t handle having your charade dropped online so I don’t think an in person meet up would help you.
Please just go back to your bud therapy and the parking lot. Do you still rock 420 on your number plate?
So perhaps we should restart this conversation...
Full disclosure. I'm sitting here next to more than a pound of last years crop that I somehow didn't manage to smoke this season. But that's neither here nor there. Come by for a free handful Mr. Racer if you're running low.
I'm an e'bike Hater. I think the record clearly shows this. I've ridden MTB since the late 80's and have always been wary of this new style of bike. I no longer ride due to a mild case of MS and even though some would say that I'm the perfect application of this new technology, I've said no thanks to two free Santa Cruz e'bikes. In my mind, and I'm clearly wrong, e'bikes have no place on our multi use trails. I would love more than anything else that there was a Vital eMTB so that I wouldn't have to read about them here on the glorious digital pages of VitalMTB.
Let's discuss...
Sorry guy, but you are just dumb. I go to Ride Kanuga where e-bikes are legal and rentable 1-2 times a week. They pass fit people...
Sorry guy, but you are just dumb. I go to Ride Kanuga where e-bikes are legal and rentable 1-2 times a week. They pass fit people 2-3 times a ride and me 4 times per ride.
So explain the hover magic theory you can use to explain away 3-4 times as much riding in a single afternoon of riding.
Oh..and the really obese folks on eebs, they can get in 2-3 times as many laps as me and pass fit riders. Quit making up garbage.
They're tugging buddies up every lap, and I've seen them pull the same person 10 laps. So now that's 4 tires, 2 people and a total of 20 laps from 2 riders. You want what you want...and you just want to try to justify it. I watch them lap after lap being able to spin roost when they go across uphill water bars that fit cyclists are not able to.
Just because you pop a viagra, it doesn't mean you get to stick your erection in whatever hole you feel like. You have to do it legally. Same with eebs. They're illegal in Pisgah and Dupont where I live. That's all that matters. If you're the kind of dude that straps on some electric viagra to a set of mountain bike wheels and forks...it doesn't give you permission to stick your eeb-rection in the forest without permission.
So, you’re whining about use & erosion in a bike park which allows e-bikes & actively hires them out too, as a revenue stream? 🤦♂️
Thankfully...
So, you’re whining about use & erosion in a bike park which allows e-bikes & actively hires them out too, as a revenue stream? 🤦♂️
Thankfully I live somewhere where guns arn’t legal & ebikes are. That way I can ride my electric ‘toy’ (as you put it) as well as my non electric toy, depending on whichever way my mood takes me.
I’ll make much more of an effort to be butthurt when an ebike overtakes me on a climb & get more laps in than me too. I’ll make sure to do the same about anyone catching lifts in resorts. Those lazy, good for nothing park rats. Unless they ride to a trailhead, they don’t even know they were born.
Dear moron, I'm not whining about e-mopeds in a privately owned park they are allowed in
I'm easily dismissing the assanine logic that e-bikes do less...
Dear moron, I'm not whining about e-mopeds in a privately owned park they are allowed in
I'm easily dismissing the assanine logic that e-bikes do less damage than mountain bikes or have less impact on a trail when it's obvious they do way more when you watch them go by on the daily. Don't care if they pass me. I'm there for the ride.
It's utter bull to say eebs have a neglible impact on National Forests (which are protected wilderness and watersheds) because I ride with those things in the bike park every day and see them do 3-4 times as many passes of the same trail as a mountain bike. Pay attention Mr. "Turned 2 wheeled discussion into a political gun rant"
By that logic then, so do fit people. I can do 2000m vert on my leg bike, or my ebike if I want to. I ride the same amount of trails. Some people just session one trail all day, pushing back up and doing multiple run. Are they monsters too?
Also, for the sake of pendantry, they arn’t mopeds, e-mopeds, motos, etc & it makes you look like a silly child, calling them that with vitriol.
So perhaps we should restart this conversation...
Full disclosure. I'm sitting here next to more than a pound of last years crop that I somehow didn't...
So perhaps we should restart this conversation...
Full disclosure. I'm sitting here next to more than a pound of last years crop that I somehow didn't manage to smoke this season. But that's neither here nor there. Come by for a free handful Mr. Racer if you're running low.
I'm an e'bike Hater. I think the record clearly shows this. I've ridden MTB since the late 80's and have always been wary of this new style of bike. I no longer ride due to a mild case of MS and even though some would say that I'm the perfect application of this new technology, I've said no thanks to two free Santa Cruz e'bikes. In my mind, and I'm clearly wrong, e'bikes have no place on our multi use trails. I would love more than anything else that there was a Vital eMTB so that I wouldn't have to read about them here on the glorious digital pages of VitalMTB.
Let's discuss...
Whilst land laws are clearly overly complicated in the US, with even more complicated rights of access, you could end up fully down a rabbit hole. But, if e-bikes are legal, then why wouldn’t you? Especially in your circumstances.
The OTT, almost obsessive hatred that some Americans have towards them is just weird, when the rest of the world is just getting on with enjoying them for the most part.
Thankfully, the UK is far more progressive in terms of land access & wherever a normal bike can go, so can an ebike. I live in a very popular riding area & have we noticed more trail use since eebs? Yes. Have the trails been battered as a result? No, not really.
They tend to get way more damage when some idiot on an Moto is riding up them illegally.
We still have challenges with people of Sur-Ron’s and other electric motos but that’s a whole separate issue.
I think if you listen to the pinkbike podcast with Richard Cunningham I think it's number 71. He gives the best reason why e-bikes are kinda lame. It took years of convincing groups of people that we are not the same as dirt bikers and fight for equal rights on trails. Then we have basically started to walk back all these claims with ebikes. I get the point of view when people are saying that they're different from MTB, it's because they're.
I think you should look at it from other trail users POV, they will often see them as even more invasive even if they're not. I am mostly speaking toward multi-use trails in the US. I don't really care if people are riding e-bikes or not on legal trails but if they're poaching trails in my area and get shit shutdown then they can go fuck themselves. It is the same for kids posting pirate trails on their social media.
Most of the e-bikes I've ridden or that friends sell at shops are pretty shit and return to the shop quite frequently with problems. I think an actually good product is still a few years away. The price is ridiculous as well. I just bought a KTM for less than a top of the likes of Santa Cruz or Specialized and they financed me and when I sell it is still valuable and it will still be relevant in 5 years not in a garbage heap somewhere.
Also that marketing is typical bullshit. At one point in time when Santa Cruz came out with whatever POS they did it was basically saying “we now are doing rides we couldn't do before. These bikes are opening up new territory.” In reality the trails they were riding on were the same trail that hippy were riding shitty fully rigid bikes on. Please give me a fucking break tell the truth. Let do it like this - You now our a parent you have no time, you now our a little older and not in the same shape as you used to be in but still want to get out, your friends all have them you you need one to keep riding with them, you have some issue with your body XYZ, or lastly my favorite one and the only one most people should give a shit about you're a BRO at heart and more lapppppz mean more FUANNNNN.
I think if you listen to the pinkbike podcast with Richard Cunningham I think it's number 71. He gives the best reason why e-bikes are kinda...
I think if you listen to the pinkbike podcast with Richard Cunningham I think it's number 71. He gives the best reason why e-bikes are kinda lame. It took years of convincing groups of people that we are not the same as dirt bikers and fight for equal rights on trails. Then we have basically started to walk back all these claims with ebikes. I get the point of view when people are saying that they're different from MTB, it's because they're.
I think you should look at it from other trail users POV, they will often see them as even more invasive even if they're not. I am mostly speaking toward multi-use trails in the US. I don't really care if people are riding e-bikes or not on legal trails but if they're poaching trails in my area and get shit shutdown then they can go fuck themselves. It is the same for kids posting pirate trails on their social media.
Most of the e-bikes I've ridden or that friends sell at shops are pretty shit and return to the shop quite frequently with problems. I think an actually good product is still a few years away. The price is ridiculous as well. I just bought a KTM for less than a top of the likes of Santa Cruz or Specialized and they financed me and when I sell it is still valuable and it will still be relevant in 5 years not in a garbage heap somewhere.
Also that marketing is typical bullshit. At one point in time when Santa Cruz came out with whatever POS they did it was basically saying “we now are doing rides we couldn't do before. These bikes are opening up new territory.” In reality the trails they were riding on were the same trail that hippy were riding shitty fully rigid bikes on. Please give me a fucking break tell the truth. Let do it like this - You now our a parent you have no time, you now our a little older and not in the same shape as you used to be in but still want to get out, your friends all have them you you need one to keep riding with them, you have some issue with your body XYZ, or lastly my favorite one and the only one most people should give a shit about you're a BRO at heart and more lapppppz mean more FUANNNNN.
I think the easiest thing to do is ban anything that makes mountain biking “easier”. No gears. No crank arms. No wheels. Anything that gives a rider mechanical advantage. Horses should be banned too and basically anyone who has a bionic body part well you’re banned too.
The land must only be used ONLY by the pure and preserved only for the worthy. The hell with your family life. You have to be committed. Your kids can watch TV by themselves. Ride, earn your turns. Getting older and want to enjoy the same trails? Who are you to still want to have fun. Get off the trail! Have some sort physical limitation?? SCREW YOU stay home and die!!!
Yup, only one solution, No mechanical assistance of any kind. That would solve it.
eMtb hate is based on ONE thing, no one wants to share the trail beyond their adopted tribe. Bravo idiots, Sierra Club wins again.
I think if you listen to the pinkbike podcast with Richard Cunningham I think it's number 71. He gives the best reason why e-bikes are kinda...
I think if you listen to the pinkbike podcast with Richard Cunningham I think it's number 71. He gives the best reason why e-bikes are kinda lame. It took years of convincing groups of people that we are not the same as dirt bikers and fight for equal rights on trails. Then we have basically started to walk back all these claims with ebikes. I get the point of view when people are saying that they're different from MTB, it's because they're.
I think you should look at it from other trail users POV, they will often see them as even more invasive even if they're not. I am mostly speaking toward multi-use trails in the US. I don't really care if people are riding e-bikes or not on legal trails but if they're poaching trails in my area and get shit shutdown then they can go fuck themselves. It is the same for kids posting pirate trails on their social media.
Most of the e-bikes I've ridden or that friends sell at shops are pretty shit and return to the shop quite frequently with problems. I think an actually good product is still a few years away. The price is ridiculous as well. I just bought a KTM for less than a top of the likes of Santa Cruz or Specialized and they financed me and when I sell it is still valuable and it will still be relevant in 5 years not in a garbage heap somewhere.
Also that marketing is typical bullshit. At one point in time when Santa Cruz came out with whatever POS they did it was basically saying “we now are doing rides we couldn't do before. These bikes are opening up new territory.” In reality the trails they were riding on were the same trail that hippy were riding shitty fully rigid bikes on. Please give me a fucking break tell the truth. Let do it like this - You now our a parent you have no time, you now our a little older and not in the same shape as you used to be in but still want to get out, your friends all have them you you need one to keep riding with them, you have some issue with your body XYZ, or lastly my favorite one and the only one most people should give a shit about you're a BRO at heart and more lapppppz mean more FUANNNNN.
I think the easiest thing to do is ban anything that makes mountain biking “easier”. No gears. No crank arms. No wheels. Anything that gives a...
I think the easiest thing to do is ban anything that makes mountain biking “easier”. No gears. No crank arms. No wheels. Anything that gives a rider mechanical advantage. Horses should be banned too and basically anyone who has a bionic body part well you’re banned too.
The land must only be used ONLY by the pure and preserved only for the worthy. The hell with your family life. You have to be committed. Your kids can watch TV by themselves. Ride, earn your turns. Getting older and want to enjoy the same trails? Who are you to still want to have fun. Get off the trail! Have some sort physical limitation?? SCREW YOU stay home and die!!!
Yup, only one solution, No mechanical assistance of any kind. That would solve it.
eMtb hate is based on ONE thing, no one wants to share the trail beyond their adopted tribe. Bravo idiots, Sierra Club wins again.
I think you're not really responding in any kind of constructive way other than being mad that I disagree with how E-bikes are being used and marketed.
I don't think I ever said I hate E-bikes either.
But here are some things we might agree on that you have said.
I do think horses should be banned from certain trails. The equestrian community uses and abuses trails as much as anyone else but I rarely see very many out helping repair trails but maybe they have the deepest pockets and donate the most IDK. The cattle would be the worst offenders.
I think you're not really responding in any kind of constructive way other than being mad that I disagree with how E-bikes are being used and...
I think you're not really responding in any kind of constructive way other than being mad that I disagree with how E-bikes are being used and marketed.
I don't think I ever said I hate E-bikes either.
But here are some things we might agree on that you have said.
I do think horses should be banned from certain trails. The equestrian community uses and abuses trails as much as anyone else but I rarely see very many out helping repair trails but maybe they have the deepest pockets and donate the most IDK. The cattle would be the worst offenders.
Kids should be able to watch tv by themselves.
My issue and what irritates me to no end is that eBike haters always resort to them as if they are “motorcycles” or “MoPeds” and play right into the arguement of the anti access crowd. A Class One eBike (which are the only “eBicycle’s” that should be considered) is neither. It’s not hard to figure this out. You have to pedal it for it to move. They multiply the riders input. No throttle and no boost over 18 mph. YOU HAVE TO PEDAL IT to gain anything, they do not motivate under their own power. It’s really that simple and the WHOLE FREAKING POINT. You have to pedal them to make them move. That’s why they are considered BICYCLES.
What most traditional mountain bikers fail to acknowledge is they benefit from mechanical advantage too. Their effort is multiplied by gearing and the wheels. It’s this mechanized category that precludes mtb use in so many areas. Should electric shifting be banned? Those have motors…
i firmly believe mtb riders in the US have blown a huge opportunity with Class One eBikes. Europe is so far ahead of us, seeing the huge benefits of them and just how much they add to the Mtb experience. This has opened the sport up to the point of ACCEPTANCE of bikes on all trails because no one wants to be against them. In the USA, traditional trail users (hikers/Sierra club) have blocked trail access to ALL bikes and instead joining ranks to create a new trail use constituency mtb/c1eMtb, IMBA stabbed ALL MTB in the back and killed the access bill.
Apparently mtb enjoys getting the dirty end of the stick when it comes to public access.
Anyone else notice this little nugget from the latest eeb motor press release -
"Another key feature is Extended Boost. When you give the pedals a quick punch or ratchet action, the motor continues to push the bike forward for a brief moment after the pedals stop turning."
At what point do the pedals simply become a foot throttle for a motor that drives the bike?
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No, that's not all that matters. It needs to be legally enforced. And it needs to be effective. Otherwise, no one cares and all the crying in the world amounts to nothing.
With all the horror in the world…potential nuclear war, food shortages, inflation, homelessness, drugs, murder, robbery, car jacking, cashless bail, releasing violent criminals…. And yet there are those who want someone to enforce a no eBike policy so they don’t have to be passed on a climb and their ego can safely come out of a pillow lined basement.
makes perfect sense. Grow up, much bigger issues in this world than policing fun.
Dear moron, I'm not whining about e-mopeds in a privately owned park they are allowed in
I'm easily dismissing the assanine logic that e-bikes do less damage than mountain bikes or have less impact on a trail when it's obvious they do way more when you watch them go by on the daily. Don't care if they pass me. I'm there for the ride.
It's utter bull to say eebs have a neglible impact on National Forests (which are protected wilderness and watersheds) because I ride with those things in the bike park every day and see them do 3-4 times as many passes of the same trail as a mountain bike. Pay attention Mr. "Turned 2 wheeled discussion into a political gun rant"
The only person that’s come off like a complete moron is you. No facts, just butthurt feelings.
National Forests are not wilderness areas. Wilderness areas can be within the National Forest but a National Forest is not within a Wilderness. Seems like small point I’m sure to genius like you but it does matter. For the record, in a National Forest, eMtb’s are allowed to be on any trail a bicycle can use unless specifically designated otherwise.
it’s hard to have a conversation with someone who is so entrenched and committed to beliefs that are in fact wrong. The best thing I’ve read from you is your admitting that you’re a weak cyclist who can only do one lap. That’s good, you’re negativity will flow around fewer people. Maybe just enjoy your bowl in the parking lot, stay there and leave the riding to people happy to be having fun.
I just recently had a chat with a couple of uninformed gentlemen(very loose description)on another site about global warming and the aspects of renewable everything vs fossil fuels while using all the available renewables they have a extremely one sided view point we all need to look at both sides of the coin as there's a lot more at play here than anyone wants to see!
https://www.fs.usda.gov/activity/nfsnc/recreation/bicycling Electric mopeds aren't allowed in our National Forests here. That way kids can hike and play with salamanders in creeks without being trampled by mopeds. Unlike your region of the country, our forests are tiny. They were destroyed in the 70's & 80's by all manner of motorized fun & so they all got banned. Hopefully it stays that way because people need quiet places to unwind and relax & learn about clean water, diverse plant and animal species & care about the forests, not hot lap them.
We've got plenty of bike parks that can hold all the mopeds and SurRons & Grizzlies and every other franken-battery-moto that's out there. So talk about where you live and your own places. Don't include our region in your thought process. It doesn't apply. If you still live in Clovis, I'm happy for you. Enjoy those straight lines I just looked up on the map. They look like a prison encampment from satellite. But hey, they're probably fun for you to only have to take 90 degree turns to go everywhere.
“That way kids can hike and play with salamanders in creeks without being trampled by mopeds.”
Pretty funny that your avatar is you crashing down a creek bed on your gravity moped.
I see now that you're just a child looking to push buttons. Let's meet one day and you can talk face to face. I'm turning off notifications and I'll see if there is a "block babies" feature in the settings. Bye kid.
Gracious of you to offer to meet face to face but apparently you can’t handle having your charade dropped online so I don’t think an in person meet up would help you.
Please just go back to your bud therapy and the parking lot. Do you still rock 420 on your number plate?
How does cannabis have Anything to do with Any of this conversation?
By that logic then, so do fit people. I can do 2000m vert on my leg bike, or my ebike if I want to. I ride the same amount of trails. Some people just session one trail all day, pushing back up and doing multiple run. Are they monsters too?
Also, for the sake of pendantry, they arn’t mopeds, e-mopeds, motos, etc & it makes you look like a silly child, calling them that with vitriol.
I think you should stick to shouting at clouds.
Whilst land laws are clearly overly complicated in the US, with even more complicated rights of access, you could end up fully down a rabbit hole. But, if e-bikes are legal, then why wouldn’t you? Especially in your circumstances.
The OTT, almost obsessive hatred that some Americans have towards them is just weird, when the rest of the world is just getting on with enjoying them for the most part.
Thankfully, the UK is far more progressive in terms of land access & wherever a normal bike can go, so can an ebike. I live in a very popular riding area & have we noticed more trail use since eebs? Yes. Have the trails been battered as a result? No, not really.
They tend to get way more damage when some idiot on an Moto is riding up them illegally.
We still have challenges with people of Sur-Ron’s and other electric motos but that’s a whole separate issue.
I think if you listen to the pinkbike podcast with Richard Cunningham I think it's number 71. He gives the best reason why e-bikes are kinda lame. It took years of convincing groups of people that we are not the same as dirt bikers and fight for equal rights on trails. Then we have basically started to walk back all these claims with ebikes. I get the point of view when people are saying that they're different from MTB, it's because they're.
I think you should look at it from other trail users POV, they will often see them as even more invasive even if they're not. I am mostly speaking toward multi-use trails in the US. I don't really care if people are riding e-bikes or not on legal trails but if they're poaching trails in my area and get shit shutdown then they can go fuck themselves. It is the same for kids posting pirate trails on their social media.
Most of the e-bikes I've ridden or that friends sell at shops are pretty shit and return to the shop quite frequently with problems. I think an actually good product is still a few years away. The price is ridiculous as well. I just bought a KTM for less than a top of the likes of Santa Cruz or Specialized and they financed me and when I sell it is still valuable and it will still be relevant in 5 years not in a garbage heap somewhere.
Also that marketing is typical bullshit. At one point in time when Santa Cruz came out with whatever POS they did it was basically saying “we now are doing rides we couldn't do before. These bikes are opening up new territory.” In reality the trails they were riding on were the same trail that hippy were riding shitty fully rigid bikes on. Please give me a fucking break tell the truth. Let do it like this - You now our a parent you have no time, you now our a little older and not in the same shape as you used to be in but still want to get out, your friends all have them you you need one to keep riding with them, you have some issue with your body XYZ, or lastly my favorite one and the only one most people should give a shit about you're a BRO at heart and more lapppppz mean more FUANNNNN.
I think the easiest thing to do is ban anything that makes mountain biking “easier”. No gears. No crank arms. No wheels. Anything that gives a rider mechanical advantage. Horses should be banned too and basically anyone who has a bionic body part well you’re banned too.
The land must only be used ONLY by the pure and preserved only for the worthy. The hell with your family life. You have to be committed. Your kids can watch TV by themselves. Ride, earn your turns. Getting older and want to enjoy the same trails? Who are you to still want to have fun. Get off the trail! Have some sort physical limitation?? SCREW YOU stay home and die!!!
Yup, only one solution, No mechanical assistance of any kind. That would solve it.
eMtb hate is based on ONE thing, no one wants to share the trail beyond their adopted tribe. Bravo idiots, Sierra Club wins again.
I think you're not really responding in any kind of constructive way other than being mad that I disagree with how E-bikes are being used and marketed.
I don't think I ever said I hate E-bikes either.
But here are some things we might agree on that you have said.
I do think horses should be banned from certain trails. The equestrian community uses and abuses trails as much as anyone else but I rarely see very many out helping repair trails but maybe they have the deepest pockets and donate the most IDK. The cattle would be the worst offenders.
Kids should be able to watch tv by themselves.
My issue and what irritates me to no end is that eBike haters always resort to them as if they are “motorcycles” or “MoPeds” and play right into the arguement of the anti access crowd. A Class One eBike (which are the only “eBicycle’s” that should be considered) is neither. It’s not hard to figure this out. You have to pedal it for it to move. They multiply the riders input. No throttle and no boost over 18 mph. YOU HAVE TO PEDAL IT to gain anything, they do not motivate under their own power. It’s really that simple and the WHOLE FREAKING POINT. You have to pedal them to make them move. That’s why they are considered BICYCLES.
What most traditional mountain bikers fail to acknowledge is they benefit from mechanical advantage too. Their effort is multiplied by gearing and the wheels. It’s this mechanized category that precludes mtb use in so many areas. Should electric shifting be banned? Those have motors…
i firmly believe mtb riders in the US have blown a huge opportunity with Class One eBikes. Europe is so far ahead of us, seeing the huge benefits of them and just how much they add to the Mtb experience. This has opened the sport up to the point of ACCEPTANCE of bikes on all trails because no one wants to be against them. In the USA, traditional trail users (hikers/Sierra club) have blocked trail access to ALL bikes and instead joining ranks to create a new trail use constituency mtb/c1eMtb, IMBA stabbed ALL MTB in the back and killed the access bill.
Apparently mtb enjoys getting the dirty end of the stick when it comes to public access.
it’s just so dumb.
Anyone else notice this little nugget from the latest eeb motor press release -
"Another key feature is Extended Boost. When you give the pedals a quick punch or ratchet action, the motor continues to push the bike forward for a brief moment after the pedals stop turning."
At what point do the pedals simply become a foot throttle for a motor that drives the bike?
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