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Verbl Kint Liked a comment about Feature The Return of the Goat – We Ride the All-New 2018 YT Capra
2/8/2018 10:34pm
Kudos for having the most thorough article of the Capra online atm. Great job, Vital!!
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Headshot Liked a comment about Feature The Return of the Goat – We Ride the All-New 2018 YT Capra
2/8/2018 10:33pm
Agreed, by far the best article and pics on the Capra that appeared online today. Well done! Nothing game changing but another solid and well priced bike from YT. A shoot out with the Enduro, Nomad and Wreckoning would be fun.
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Hollywood Gainey Liked a comment about Feature The Return of the Goat – We Ride the All-New 2018 YT Capra
2/8/2018 10:32pm
I'd pay an extra 1k for 2 threaded inserts in the frame
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iceman2058 Liked a comment about Feature We Ride Coil and Air Shocks Back-to-Back
10/18/2017 4:13am
Effective spring rate: the spring rate at the wheel. But to your point, yes, preload actually just changes the starting point of your spring curve (how much force is needed to start the spring into its travel). The slope of the spring curve remains unchanged (because a coil shock is linear). The point of this part of the discussion is still that a longer spring will allow you to use more preload (within the constraints of the amount of travel available from the shock body).
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iceman2058 Liked a comment about Feature We Ride Coil and Air Shocks Back-to-Back
10/18/2017 4:13am
With the caveat that if you run a longer spring on the same shock body, you can preload it more to bump up the effective spring rate. Because you have more room to load up the coil without causing it to bottom out on itself at the end of travel.
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TEAMROBOT Liked a comment about Feature We Ride Coil and Air Shocks Back-to-Back
10/17/2017 4:28pm
Totally, damping is a bandaid solution for bad spring rates, but if your shock feels dead, damping is still an available bandaid solution. This one of many reasons why I love air suspension- it's so hard to dial in spring rate with coils, and you can't do anything about spring curve progression- it just is what it is. Being able to fine tune spring curve with tokens and being able to fine tune spring rate with little 3 psi bumps is priceless. Besides the fact that it's a PITA and expensive to buy 2-4 springs before you dial in sag...
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Krispy Liked a comment about Feature We Ride Coil and Air Shocks Back-to-Back
10/17/2017 4:27pm
There were progressive springs for a while on MTB's. I think the reason we don't see them now is that they fatigue. Springs on bicycles are as short as they can be to save weight and, aside from new Metric shocks, there isn't room for a longer spring. With progressive wound springs a few coils work harder than the rest which causes them to sack out, get softer and break. Foes had 2 stage springs and we at Go-Ride made 2 stage springs for Fox 40's for a while before the dampers were up to snuff. Our springs would sack...
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RipNshread Liked a comment about Feature We Ride Coil and Air Shocks Back-to-Back
10/17/2017 11:03am
Thank you, and I did not think it was purposefully derogatory on your part. Maybe, "widely believed" was too harsh, but either way... @stagnant read further down on the page you referenced... Word Origin and History for niggle v. 1590s (implied in niggling), possibly from a Scandinavian source (cf. Norwegian dialectal nigla "be busy with trifles"), perhaps related to source of niggard. Related: Niggled ; niggling ; niggler.
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iceman2058 Liked a comment about Feature We Ride Coil and Air Shocks Back-to-Back
10/17/2017 11:03am
As somebody who has American parents and who has lived and worked most his life in various English-speaking countries/companies, I might contest your use of the term "widely believed" in this context, as "niggles" is definitely a term used in many places to describe "minor issues" (and certainly not intended to be derogatory in this article, as if that actually needed to be pointed out). However, as a citizen of the world of 2017 I believe we have enough problems caused by the insensitive use of potentially derogatory terms (and the corresponding deeper, underlying social issues) to gladly take your...
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stagnant Added a comment about feature We Ride Coil and Air Shocks Back-to-Back
10/17/2017 10:25am
I don't think it was meant in any derogatory context...at all. From dictionary.com - verb (used without object), niggled, niggling. 1. to criticize, especially constantly or repeatedly, in a peevish or petty way; carp: to niggle about the fine points of interpretation; preferring to niggle rather than take steps to correct a situation. 2. to spend too much time and effort on inconsequential details: It's difficult to be meticulous and not niggle. 3. to work ineffectively; trifle: to niggle with an uninteresting task.
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iceman2058 Liked a comment about Feature We Ride Coil and Air Shocks Back-to-Back
10/17/2017 10:16am
Yes I did, but there's still something slightly "dead" about it. I guess pushing against a dynamically loaded (air)spring is inherently more "bouncy" than pushing against a platform, regardless of how stiff that platform is? Glad you liked the article!
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TEAMROBOT Liked a comment about Feature We Ride Coil and Air Shocks Back-to-Back
10/17/2017 10:16am
Johan! Loved the article. I especially like that you took the spacers out for the sake of testing to try to get the air shock feeling more "coil-like." Have you tried cranking low speed compression on the coil shock to give you more of a platform for jumping (make it feel more like the air shock)? Seems like a lot of the dead/not poppy stuff could be mitigated with a nice stiff low speed platform to push into.
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stagnant Added a comment about feature We Ride Coil and Air Shocks Back-to-Back
10/17/2017 9:01am
Awesome info. Thanks for all the detail! I can't wait to try out some similar tune settings. And it makes sense on the 425 spring being only a 3". I've read your other posts on the Float X2 and spacer testing...also good info. I'm going to have to play with 2 vs 3. Thanks again...keep shreddin'
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stagnant Added a comment about feature We Ride Coil and Air Shocks Back-to-Back
10/17/2017 6:21am
Thanks for putting this together. What good timing...I have the same Capra and recently picked up both of the same shocks! After just one day of lift access on both, I am really impress with the air shock. The coil is definitely plush and ground hugging, but it felt almost 'dead' at first. I expected it to be better on such a progressive frame. Time to hit the jump park to compare. @Johan - Can you list the LSR/HSR/LSC/HSC you have found to work best for both shocks? I haven't had enough saddle time to dial them in. I am...
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