It is also worth recognising who Pilgrim appeals to vs racers/ex racers. Pilgrim has a large cut through with 'da yoof' - while I am not interested in his antics (late 40s), when I speak to my teenage nieces and nephews (all of whom ride), they are not overly interested in a video of some technical rock roll in Canada but they can recount in detail the latest idiocy from Pilgrim. While even he could not make Haibike desirable to that age group, Canyon is a different matter. I was interested to see that his launch vid was not on...