Anyone know if the Deg DF will work on other brands Ratchet system hubs? Like Crank Brothers or Mavic? Not sure if these brands are just using DT Swiss or their own proprietary ratchet system
Thought process being that if the chain/rider weight is no longer inhibiting suspension movement, rear wheel would be able to move with less resistance and get out of the way faster
Thought process being that if the chain/rider weight is no longer inhibiting suspension movement, rear wheel would be able to move with less resistance and get...
Thought process being that if the chain/rider weight is no longer inhibiting suspension movement, rear wheel would be able to move with less resistance and get out of the way faster
Is pedal kickback a thing? Yes. But it only happens when the wheel is not rotating. I find this type of situation happens mostly in techy terrain where speeds are low and I'm more likely to be skidding the back wheel around. However, these are not the type of situations I find myself breaking wheels. I break wheels when I do dumb hucks and land on sharp things, which usually involve the rear wheel in rotation at the time. Maybe if you find yourself landing with the rear break fully engaged and the rear wheel at a dead stop it might help. But I highly doubt that's the issue.
In my experience things like O-Chains and DEG DF hubs improve ride quality not so much by the pedal kickback mitigation it has when the rear is skidding around, but by just causing way less chain slap and movement. That, in my opinion, is what these devices are really good at doing.
An interesting behavior that doesn’t get talked about as much is for hub based devices like the DEF DF and Sidekick is the amount of free rotation you get is dependent on what gear you’re in. Smaller cogs have less freedom than bigger cogs so you end up with the opposite of what you’d ideally want. Lots of free rotation in climbing gears and little free rotation in descending gears.
Anyone know if the Deg DF will work on other brands Ratchet system hubs? Like Crank Brothers or Mavic? Not sure if these brands are just...
Anyone know if the Deg DF will work on other brands Ratchet system hubs? Like Crank Brothers or Mavic? Not sure if these brands are just using DT Swiss or their own proprietary ratchet system
Pretty sure DT Swiss is the only one with DEG size ratchets. They are much bigger than those used in the standard and EXP ratchets in DT hubs. I think some of the other brands are using similar sized ratchets to those in the standard DT hubs. Enve I think runs bigger but I am not sure if they are the same size.
I do know DT did not make them with any other brand's ratchet hubs in mind.
Anyone running a DEG DF with the new generation Shimano derailleurs that don’t have a clutch?
I switch from a XT 8100 derailleur to the newest 8200 and am thinking I prefer the hub locked out at 0 degrees of float. With the lack of clutch and stiffer spring, the chain whips around a lot, transferring feedback to my feet. I found 10 degrees of float made the feedback worse, giving the cage more runway to flail before hitting the hard stop, like walking an excited dog on an extendable leash.
No, why would it?
Anyone know if the Deg DF will work on other brands Ratchet system hubs? Like Crank Brothers or Mavic? Not sure if these brands are just using DT Swiss or their own proprietary ratchet system
Thought process being that if the chain/rider weight is no longer inhibiting suspension movement, rear wheel would be able to move with less resistance and get out of the way faster
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grNUgu0H9YA Steve is the man.
Is pedal kickback a thing? Yes. But it only happens when the wheel is not rotating. I find this type of situation happens mostly in techy terrain where speeds are low and I'm more likely to be skidding the back wheel around. However, these are not the type of situations I find myself breaking wheels. I break wheels when I do dumb hucks and land on sharp things, which usually involve the rear wheel in rotation at the time. Maybe if you find yourself landing with the rear break fully engaged and the rear wheel at a dead stop it might help. But I highly doubt that's the issue.
In my experience things like O-Chains and DEG DF hubs improve ride quality not so much by the pedal kickback mitigation it has when the rear is skidding around, but by just causing way less chain slap and movement. That, in my opinion, is what these devices are really good at doing.
An interesting behavior that doesn’t get talked about as much is for hub based devices like the DEF DF and Sidekick is the amount of free rotation you get is dependent on what gear you’re in. Smaller cogs have less freedom than bigger cogs so you end up with the opposite of what you’d ideally want. Lots of free rotation in climbing gears and little free rotation in descending gears.
Pretty sure DT Swiss is the only one with DEG size ratchets. They are much bigger than those used in the standard and EXP ratchets in DT hubs. I think some of the other brands are using similar sized ratchets to those in the standard DT hubs. Enve I think runs bigger but I am not sure if they are the same size.
I do know DT did not make them with any other brand's ratchet hubs in mind.
Anyone running a DEG DF with the new generation Shimano derailleurs that don’t have a clutch?
I switch from a XT 8100 derailleur to the newest 8200 and am thinking I prefer the hub locked out at 0 degrees of float. With the lack of clutch and stiffer spring, the chain whips around a lot, transferring feedback to my feet. I found 10 degrees of float made the feedback worse, giving the cage more runway to flail before hitting the hard stop, like walking an excited dog on an extendable leash.
Curious if others have had similar experiences.
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