Should the World Cup Downhill season have more races?

10/14/2014 11:44pm
sspomer wrote:
Does the World Cup DH season have too few races? I know as a fan, I've debated this topic often with friends and fans. It seems...
Does the World Cup DH season have too few races? I know as a fan, I've debated this topic often with friends and fans. It seems that most of us feel more races could only be a good thing, but would it really be? There's the moto comparison of the top-level pros racing 75% of the year between outdoor MX and super cross, so why can't downhillers have more than 7 "big" races? The cost of globetrotting for the World Cup seems to be a challenge for many racers and to add more races to the calendar would just mean more cost. The potential for injury for riders grow because they'd be letting it hang out more times than normal. 2014 and 2015 both have those weird early-season gaps between races 1 and 2 - why not fill in with another race or 2? I also realize there's the complexity of dealing w/ the UCI, so maybe that's an issue, too.

I see both sides of the argument and want to know what you all think. Besides talk about this and the team gossip, what else are we going to do as DH race fans with 5 months before the next event?



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Yes, I think just 1 or 2 races will be better because I feel like there are big gaps between 2 races...
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10/15/2014 4:39am
You could race year around if you really set it up correctly. South America, Austrailia, NZ come to mind for winter time destinations, and the rest of the year there's only about 25 million mountains to pick from global. The argument that the riders can't handle more races is bullshit also. Look at moto cross, it goes all year from indoor to outdoor. Those races are far more demanding with multiple moto's and longer heats. Somehow they make it happen, are they that much tougher than MTB riders?
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10/15/2014 8:26am
Fabien Cousinie who manages the Hutchinson UR Team had this to say
I am totally for doing a longer series with a lot more races because our sport needs to become like the Formula 1 of MTB. To become a good show that makes people dream, we need more than 6 rounds of racing.

As a team manager, I know not all teams would be able to participate to all rounds, but for sure the big teams would be able to do it. We would need to ask for more budget to our sponsors to cover the cost of a longer season, but in the same time we will give them more exposure.

Also, if there are more races, it is a good way to be attractive to out-of-the-industry sponsors.

To be viable to not only to elite teams, I think there should be 2 categories. 1 would be teams that would commit to do all rounds and be ranked on all World Cups. And then there should be some continental teams, either South/North American teams and European teams and create a new ranking category for them, a new category linked to the region where they are from.

So pretty much for me, as a team manager, I am just waiting for more World Cups.


CousCous at the EWS in La Thuile pulling racer duty, too


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10/15/2014 1:58pm
Interesting. I would have thought it was too costly and too much of a headache to drag a team all over the world all year. Seems like it's the bureaucracy(surprise, surprise) who is causing the majority of the bottleneck in the situation. It has to be viable for resorts to hold these events. From what I understand the hosts usually lose money instead of making money after hosting an event. Something's wrong in that sense. It would be awesome to be able to watch more than just a handful of rounds.
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10/15/2014 5:23pm
Angel Fire NM. Thats all.
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10/15/2014 9:21pm Edited Date/Time 10/15/2014 9:23pm
Round 1: Australia or New Zealand?
Round 2: Japan?
break (3 or 4 weeks)
Round 3: Europe?
Round 4: Europe?
Round 5: Europe?
break (3 or 4 weeks)
Round 6: Colombia?
Round 7: Brazil?
(one week break to hang out at the beach and rest, or go to....hell I don't know. Disneyland or, Vegas or something)
Round 8 & 9: Mammoth? (Double header, normal DH course Saturday, Kamakaze on Sunday)
Round 10: Whistler?
(or)
Round 8: Mt. Snow?
Round 5: Mt. Sainte Anne?
Round 10: Europe?

World Champs: Wherever, as long as it is at a track where words like enduro, dropper post, or single ply tires won't even enter anyone's mind, or even be allowed.

Just a thought on the venues. This is more an example of, what seems to me, a reasonable travel itinerary.

Although I'm totally serious about the Kamakaze idea. That would be sick! (exception to the World Champs equipment requirement rules I just made up, run what ya brung. I don't care, I just want to see them going 60mph!)

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10/16/2014 1:11pm Edited Date/Time 10/16/2014 8:45pm
sspomer:
"@chuck norris, I would give anything to see today's riders and bikes tackle an old-school Mount Snow course at the World Cup level!"

Shawn - agreed.

This is what I am thinking - just a rough sketch mind you, but it would seem to work out:

(Edited)
Round 1: Schladming

Round 2: Val di Sole

Round 3: Champery

Round 4: Meribel

Round 5: Hafjell

Round 6: Ft. William

Round 7: Mt. Snow

Round 8: Bromont

Round 9: MSA

Round 10 (Finals): Whistler

World Champs: ???
10/16/2014 4:30pm
warthog wrote:
Round 1: Australia or New Zealand? Round 2: Japan? break (3 or 4 weeks) Round 3: Europe? Round 4: Europe? Round 5: Europe? break (3 or...
Round 1: Australia or New Zealand?
Round 2: Japan?
break (3 or 4 weeks)
Round 3: Europe?
Round 4: Europe?
Round 5: Europe?
break (3 or 4 weeks)
Round 6: Colombia?
Round 7: Brazil?
(one week break to hang out at the beach and rest, or go to....hell I don't know. Disneyland or, Vegas or something)
Round 8 & 9: Mammoth? (Double header, normal DH course Saturday, Kamakaze on Sunday)
Round 10: Whistler?
(or)
Round 8: Mt. Snow?
Round 5: Mt. Sainte Anne?
Round 10: Europe?

World Champs: Wherever, as long as it is at a track where words like enduro, dropper post, or single ply tires won't even enter anyone's mind, or even be allowed.

Just a thought on the venues. This is more an example of, what seems to me, a reasonable travel itinerary.

Although I'm totally serious about the Kamakaze idea. That would be sick! (exception to the World Champs equipment requirement rules I just made up, run what ya brung. I don't care, I just want to see them going 60mph!)

With some of the Pacific rounds its not cost effective to do just one, the money logisitcs to come to NZ and Aus really requires both, hence why 2015 is not coming down under!

NZ had funidng for the next 2 years and I believe Aus has 2016/17 sorted so both should be on list from 2016 in Cup rounds or Champs capacity!

IdeLly the curcus should travel round the world and not backwards and forwards, this keeps costs down and flow like a good trail/track.

Japan definitely should make a return and imo has been severly missed, both from a race perspective and a growth and potential sponsorship and industry spin off.

Rd 1 Aus or NZ
Rd 2 Aud or NZ whatever suits with calendars weather etc countires while close are very very different.
Rd 3 Japan
Rd 4 Americas - Brazil
Problem is the gateway to the sth Amercias is still the US
US 1 maybe 2 rds
Rd 5 US
Rd 6 US u Yanks would know best places
Rd 7 MSA
Rd 8 Bromont
Rd 9 had to Europe in best order
Schmaldming
Champery
Meribel
Vallnord
Nevegal would love to see this back
Fort William

Now for Europe and all countries the World Champs can be obviously be substitued for a World Cup round to share the love
Eurpoen World Cup rounds can be alternated so tracks dont get a year in year out beating and get tired, but recent enough to be financilly viable for city or towns country to invest in infrastructure and rewards, no less than 2 year gap this is where the UCI and others have lacked vision, eg whats best for venue, the people investing, sponsors, spectators, riders and teams.

I still think 10minium but ideally 12, to reap investment and allow investors which is what everyone is missing to gain and grow our sport they need reasons other than shit balls DH is cool yeha not going to cut it these days.

A proper plan that allows towns, cities countries, sponsors, teams media etc require an investment structure so they can see why they should support such a great sport and its long term, not on a whim and a prayer by some roadie that sings off in the pub with a yeah shell be right mate, let the dart board decide and kets make it as hard as f***k to support so these cool cats in real clothing dont make us look bad in our too sizes too small tight lycra.

Ps just on Pros point of view, totally respect Peaty and no doubt has a dam lot kore knowledge than me and as do many others here regards what may work best.

I would just add this cavet, Peaty is at the top where most things are managed for him, I know he wears many hats and hats off to him for how much he achieves and does for the sport, bloody legend and no one has done more, but I just hope him and other pros put theyre feet in the shoes of what I have outlined above, team owners shoes, and other riders shoes who are struggling to be suported and yet make sacrifices to do what they love, yet put theyre bodies on the line like everyone else on the start gate, theyre are no muppets in DH when they have the committment to stand toe to toe as the beeps go down, they deserve the opportunities that others have too, if they have the right stuff and work for it, should not be given but the opportunities should be theyre, it should not be limited to a select few, if the sport is to grow and be truly professional and I dont mean by just more money, professional is an attiude a process a reflection, not who has the biggest bank balance! I also include the support and what I consider a dire situation for women in DH, this needs attention now. If they are not supported properly same opportunties then do not fool yourselves in thinking this will create more for the rest of the boys, you are sorely mistaken!

My 2c again.


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